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Thanks for this thread. Learning so much:2razz:
lol...no prob, bud.
Thanks for this thread. Learning so much:2razz:
Yeah, but you have a very united left, and a very humbled right. All any one party needs to do is align themselves with the Liberals on an issue, and they'll have enough votes to get it done. IF they can work together, it could be very positive. If not, well...again, it'll be easy to see who the problem is, and you don't want to be a problem going into an election following a minority government.
I think that compromise works better at least in theory in places like the US where one party cannot bring down a government the way it can in the parliament systems. The growing western separatist movement could additionally be a real monkey wrench into the works in Canada.
ajn678:
The guy was Ralph Goodale and he certainly has been an important and long serving parliamentarian and when the liberals were in power an important minister. However that is not really why his loss in Saskatchewan is so problematic. The problem is the Liberal party has almost no seats west of the Province of Manitoba (sort of in line with the Mississippi River but further north) so finding experienced and able ministers from the west for the new Liberal government will be extremely difficult. This will likely make the Liberal government less sensitive and receptive to western issues and will lead to more western alienation and anger at the liberals. A house divided as Americans might say.
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Meh...someone's always talking about separating in Canada. I always wonder how they think that'll work...like they can just say "Thanks, it's been great, love all the free stuff...but we're going to bounce." Sure, idiots, but give us a sec to put together the bill...
I think that compromise works better at least in theory in places like the US where one party cannot bring down a government the way it can in the parliament systems. The growing western separatist movement could additionally be a real monkey wrench into the works in Canada.
The western separatist movement is really just sour grapes. Oil and gas is not doing well, and so a lot of people lost their very well paying jobs in that industry. Not being able to find jobs that come close to the paychecks they received before made them upset.
The anger is still lower than in the early 80s, and the 90s. The NEP was a much bigger deal, and the 90s saw the rise of an Alberta based National party (Reform Party).
Alberta conservatives are stupid if they think Federal Conservatives would listen to them over Ontario or Quebec voters. Which gave rise to the Reform Party ( the federal government was the PC (Conservative Party ) at the time. If and when Transmountain gets built, and the price differential between Alberta oil and WTI get smaller then the anger will drop. Keystone is not as important as the US does (currently) have plenty of oil from shale)
We'll take em.....well except Quebec. You can keep them.
We'll take em.....well except Quebec. You can keep them.
Drawdown:
Oye mon oeil. Tais toi la! Je suis un Quebecois, la. (Oye my eye. Shut yer mouth there! I'm a Quebecer, there.)
Salut.
Mechantroddy.
You'll "take" them? :lol: Are you American? You think they want to be American? Interesting default...
Election results: CTV News declares Liberal minority government | CTV News
Ok...there it is. Still some votes to be counted, but it looks like we have a Liberal minority, which was sort of the outcome I was hoping for - the main hope being that these guys will now be forced to learn to work together to get **** done.
I do like this article from the Beaverton, though:
Voters send clear message of “ugh, fine, Trudeau again, I guess” - The Beaverton
Happy Election night...
I like a quote I just heard: Every party has something to brag about, whether they gained or lost seats...well, except for the "People's Party"... lol... What a damn Canadian thing to say... :lol:
As I understand it, last night was a moral victory for the Cons, a sigh of relief for the Libs, a very good night for BQ, and a bad night for the New Dems.
As I understand it, last night was a moral victory for the Cons, a sigh of relief for the Libs, a very good night for BQ, and a bad night for the New Dems.
Actually it turned out pretty well for the NDP; despite the loss of seats, they have significant leverage in forming a minority govt with the Liberals, and can likely armtwist them into passing some of their priorities. Overall, the Liberals probably lost the most between the loss of their majority, and loss of the popular vote; they clearly no longer have a mandate. It could have been worse, but it wasn't a great night for Trudeau; just a less bad one. I just hope he learns a lesson not to persist with the hubris, corruption and disregard of his electoral promises that cost him so dearly.
Let's put it this way...it will be easy to see who the problem is if they don't. 2023 will be anyone's game, the election after a minority government always is. Let's see who gets the job done.
Maybe Im just cynical but I suspect they will all be at fault
hehe...well, I guess that's a possibility. I'm gonna go with glass half full for now, though. It was a depressing election, and I'm in need of silver linings. Time will tell.
I prefer to fill my own glass (preferably with scotch)
So to be clear, Trudeau has to form some kind of coalition to retain power?
I'm not all that up on Canadian politics, but how's it all shake out as far as you understand it?
I am not sure if your question got answered.
In Canada we have never had a coalition Government. It is possible to do, it just has never happened. Typically what will happen is we will be run by a Minority Government.
This is a government who's bills can be defeated by the rest of the house. Usually the government will consult with another party to get their support for a particular bill, This often involves a little give and take, until a bill which can be agreed upon is reached. It will then be tabled to the house, debated on, modified, and eventually voted upon.
The government can survive a bill's defeat, unless it is a bill that is also considered to be a vote of confidence in the Government. These bills are typically money bills, such as budgets or other appropriation bills. If the government fails to pass one of these bills it is deemed to have lost the 'confidence of the House' The Government falls, The Prime Minister disolves parliament and a writ of election is issued. Canadians go to the polls 40 days later.
Often the government in Power will feel it is a good time to hold an election and will engineer their own fall. Or conversely Opposition parties will feel the moment is ripe for them, and bad for the Government, so will try to force an election.
Fun days ahead.
In short, a minority government is more accountable, between elections. A Majority government can pass any legislation they want (within the confines of the Constitution)
and will face the approval, or condemnation, of the electorate, at next election.
Actually There has been a coalition govt in Canada, but usually minority govts dont form coalitions
Coalition government - Wikipedia
I was watching voters reaction to the outcome. I liked this take by one person:
Canadians spoke, They still want Trudeau as Prime Minister, they just don't trust him so much anymore.
Since he lost the popular vote and his majority, I don't think that's true at all.