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What's more important than SNC and Blackface?

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Dare I say...results?

New book assesses Trudeau government’s record of living up to pledges | National Post

No question, the man is far from perfect, and I sure wish they'd replace him.

But given the alternatives, I'll take a government, irrespective of their mascot, who delivers on their promises. Seems like the right place to put one's priorities...if a little more boring than what politics is quickly becoming.

That is a strangely positive article about Trudeau for the National Post.
 
Dare I say...results?

New book assesses Trudeau government’s record of living up to pledges | National Post

No question, the man is far from perfect, and I sure wish they'd replace him.

But given the alternatives, I'll take a government, irrespective of their mascot, who delivers on their promises. Seems like the right place to put one's priorities...if a little more boring than what politics is quickly becoming.

What's more important than SNC and Blackface?

Not being a BLATANT liar!

Lol. Think about it: how can we believe the promises of a known liar?
 
Dare I say...results?

New book assesses Trudeau government’s record of living up to pledges | National Post

No question, the man is far from perfect, and I sure wish they'd replace him.

But given the alternatives, I'll take a government, irrespective of their mascot, who delivers on their promises. Seems like the right place to put one's priorities...if a little more boring than what politics is quickly becoming.

Talk about feeling conflicted- I'm in the awkward position of hoping the twerp wins the election because I don't trust the NDP to be the federal government (though Singh does present well sometimes) and I can't stand the sight of Sheer. I've always voted Liberal if I vote, which means I've sat out a few, but I might just vote Green, mostly because of what she said about decriminalizing all drugs. My riding (North island and Powell River) is solid NDP but the Greens might be a dark horse hereabouts.
I wish the hell the Liberals had tossed Trudeau onto the trash heap and coronated
Jody Wilson-Raybould when they had the chance.
 
What's more important than SNC and Blackface?

Not being a BLATANT liar!

Lol. Think about it: how can we believe the promises of a known liar?

Oh, it's not that tough... I mean, for some folks, all they have to do is say they're conservative. ;) :shrug:
 
Talk about feeling conflicted- I'm in the awkward position of hoping the twerp wins the election because I don't trust the NDP to be the federal government (though Singh does present well sometimes) and I can't stand the sight of Sheer. I've always voted Liberal if I vote, which means I've sat out a few, but I might just vote Green, mostly because of what she said about decriminalizing all drugs. My riding (North island and Powell River) is solid NDP but the Greens might be a dark horse hereabouts.
I wish the hell the Liberals had tossed Trudeau onto the trash heap and coronated
Jody Wilson-Raybould when they had the chance.

Oof...well, the last time I voted Green in protest (not entirely in protest, but I'd have to give a lot more thought to voting for them if I thought they were actually going to form government), Doug Ford became premier of Ontario.

Nah...I'm going strategic all the way. As I said, the man isn't perfect, but the party is better than anything else out there this time around. I think we have to be careful in Canada about not making elections about the PM...I know that sounds counterintuitive these days, when personality cults make us forget that government is a giant machine, too big to be defined or judged by the actions of any single member...but, since it appears it's coming down to the Liberals or the Conservatives...which party would you rather?
 
Oof...well, the last time I voted Green in protest (not entirely in protest, but I'd have to give a lot more thought to voting for them if I thought they were actually going to form government), Doug Ford became premier of Ontario.

Nah...I'm going strategic all the way. As I said, the man isn't perfect, but the party is better than anything else out there this time around. I think we have to be careful in Canada about not making elections about the PM...I know that sounds counterintuitive these days, when personality cults make us forget that government is a giant machine, too big to be defined or judged by the actions of any single member...but, since it appears it's coming down to the Liberals or the Conservatives...which party would you rather?

Liberals. If the choice was mine. I'd hold my nose and anoint the Liberals. I don't like it but I say rather a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Conservative Party.
But I wish Justin Trudeau wasn't the leader. The couple of things he's done that I support just don't add up to the pressure on Wilson-Raybould in the SNC-Lavalin fiasco. In my mind. Him and Morneau- where the hell does the Minister of Finance get off saying It's appropriate for people in his ministry to talk to people in the Ministry of Justice about jobs in Quebec?
My last protest vote was for Albert the Cad and the Rhinocerus Party when Trudeau 1 pissed me off by flashing the finger to protesters outside his train in Salmon Arm but I might vote in protest again.
 
Liberals. If the choice was mine. I'd hold my nose and anoint the Liberals. I don't like it but I say rather a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Conservative Party.
But I wish Justin Trudeau wasn't the leader. The couple of things he's done that I support just don't add up to the pressure on Wilson-Raybould in the SNC-Lavalin fiasco. In my mind. Him and Morneau- where the hell does the Minister of Finance get off saying It's appropriate for people in his ministry to talk to people in the Ministry of Justice about jobs in Quebec?
My last protest vote was for Albert the Cad and the Rhinocerus Party when Trudeau 1 pissed me off by flashing the finger to protesters outside his train in Salmon Arm but I might vote in protest again.

To each their own, bud, do your thing ... thank goodness we live in a country where that's allowed.

As for me, I think everyone who throws a vote to the Liberals, despite Trudeau's many gaffes, in an effort to keep the Conservatives out are, in fact, voting in protest. :)
 
lol...right? Thought the same.

I was expecting some kind of "debunking" article with the National Post trying to show how Trudeau didn't actually do anything.

Of course it is from an external author though. Their opinion writers like Ivison and Rex Murphy are just awful people. They take angry vitriol to new levels.
 
To each their own, bud, do your thing ... thank goodness we live in a country where that's allowed.

As for me, I think everyone who throws a vote to the Liberals, despite Trudeau's many gaffes, in an effort to keep the Conservatives out are, in fact, voting in protest. :)

I will be voting for them as well. I also became a card-carrying Liberal, have also been attending their rallies here in
Montreal. Marc Garneau is a very nice person. I was suppose to join the climate march with all the Liberal MPs and their supporters today but I am busy.
 
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I was expecting some kind of "debunking" article with the National Post trying to show how Trudeau didn't actually do anything.

Of course it is from an external author though. Their opinion writers like Ivison and Rex Murphy are just awful people. They take angry vitriol to new levels.

I have a soft spot for Rex Murphy, don’t have to always agree with the guy, he’s a climate change denialist... Having said that though I did enjoy his short rants back in the day on CBC.

Til for whatever reason he became a paid shill for the oil and gas industry, I’ve met him once, nice enough to me.
 
I have a soft spot for Rex Murphy, don’t have to always agree with the guy, he’s a climate change denialist... Having said that though I did enjoy his short rants back in the day on CBC.

Til for whatever reason he became a paid shill for the oil and gas industry, I’ve met him once, nice enough to me.

As a young person who has never heard him on radio he seems like an angry bitter old man no better than a lot of the people on FOX News. I am yet to find one thing I agree with him on.
 
As a young person who has never heard him on radio he seems like an angry bitter old man no better than a lot of the people on FOX News. I am yet to find one thing I agree with him on.

Give these a watch and tell me you can’t see some value in what he’s saying:



 
Give these a watch and tell me you can’t see some value in what he’s saying:





That just raises more questions why his editorial content is so different, I mean I imagine the National Post has something to do with it but still.
 
That just raises more questions why his editorial content is so different, I mean I imagine the National Post has something to do with it but still.

Again I haven’t agreed with everything he’s said, especially his climate change denialism and I haven’t read those but he stopped making those bits about 2 years ago so maybe he did become more grumpy and bitter.
 
Again I haven’t agreed with everything he’s said, especially his climate change denialism and I haven’t read those but he stopped making those bits about 2 years ago so maybe he did become more grumpy and bitter.

I would say a lot of his articles on National Post are on climate change, maybe that is why. However he also seems to go after women and feminism a lot too, I remember him writing a very misogynistic article when it was revealed all the debate moderators were women.
 
I will be voting Liberal. I was very disappointed in the SNC affair. The Alladin photo was blown way out of perspective. Electoral reform was killed by the NDP.
I am a life long Red Tory which means I have no party since Peter MacKay stabbed the Progressive Conservative Party in the back. If Rona Ambrose or Lisa Raitt were leaders, I would vote CPC.
I weigh the issue of the SNC affair against the need to ramp up combatting climate change and SNC doesn't register on the radar. I seems to me that the Liberals are the only potential government that will do something about it.
 
Maybe they are looking at the betting site odds and anticipating on which side their bread will be buttered.

That is a strangely positive article about Trudeau for the National Post.
 
I was expecting some kind of "debunking" article with the National Post trying to show how Trudeau didn't actually do anything.

Of course it is from an external author though. Their opinion writers like Ivison and Rex Murphy are just awful people. They take angry vitriol to new levels.

Yeah, it's getting a little stupid...but I guess if it makes money in the States, it'll do so up here.

The reality is that no government really gets in 100% right, and the constant outrage orgies we see our politicians indulging in keeps everyone vexed...for the media, angry money spends just as well as calm, reasonable money, and there's more of it. We get what we ask for, I guess...
 
Maybe they are looking at the betting site odds and anticipating on which side their bread will be buttered.

The National Post has always been heavily right-leaning and this one article does not change that one bit. Except their subsidiary of the Montreal Gazette, that seems to lean Liberal because I guess they know their audience.
 
Dare I say...results?

New book assesses Trudeau government’s record of living up to pledges | National Post

No question, the man is far from perfect, and I sure wish they'd replace him.

But given the alternatives, I'll take a government, irrespective of their mascot, who delivers on their promises. Seems like the right place to put one's priorities...if a little more boring than what politics is quickly becoming.

Even putting the SNC corruption and Kinder pipeline debacle aside, failing to deliver on his Dem Reform pledge entirely for politically selfish and myopic reasons easily overshadows his achievements for me.

He had the opportunity to end the Conservative party as an effective federal political force for the foreseeable future (since they rely so completely on vote splitting among the overwhelmingly popular left and left of center to achieve power via FPTP), and bring about a system of government that's truly representative, but ultimately decided not to, both because he felt the status quo was better for the Liberals at that point in time than the proportional representation variant his advisory committee recommended, and because he was infuriated by them not returning the desired conclusion of runoff voting that would have obviously favoured the Liberals greatly as the most prominent second choice among parties.


I'm voting strategically myself to keep out the Conservatives, but if at all possible, I will vote NDP or Green over Liberal.

The ideal, realistic conclusion, will be a minority Liberal government formed with the Greens and NDP who will, with any luck, keep Trudeau honest and leaning towards the left.
 
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Even putting the SNC corruption and Kinder pipeline debacle aside, failing to deliver on his Dem Reform pledge entirely for politically selfish and myopic reasons easily overshadows his achievements for me.

He had the opportunity to end the Conservative party as an effective federal political force for the foreseeable future (since they rely so completely on vote splitting among the overwhelmingly popular left and left of center to achieve power via FPTP), and bring about a system of government that's truly representative, but ultimately decided not to, both because he felt the status quo was better for the Liberals at that point in time than the proportional representation variant his advisory committee recommended, and because he was infuriated by them not returning the desired conclusion of runoff voting that would have obviously favoured the Liberals greatly as the most prominent second choice among parties.


I'm voting strategically myself to keep out the Conservatives, but if at all possible, I will vote NDP or Green over Liberal.

The ideal, realistic conclusion, will be a minority Liberal government formed with the Greens and NDP who will, with any luck, keep Trudeau honest and leaning towards the left.

I hear you...the voting reform was a huge disappointment for the Left.

Yet, while it was a big miss, he hit more than he missed, and, more importantly, he hit more than the competition.

I'd like to see the Greens or the NDP get a crack at it, but they need to mature as parties. If you're going to be an idealistic party, you need to be better on the "here's how we're going to get there" front than anyone else. As much as I like the ideals of the NDP and the Green party, I just don't see how they get there - especially when getting there includes getting buy in from the nation.

So, all I'm left with is strategic voting, since neither the NDP or the Greens have the power behind them to stuff the conservatives. Not exactly an answer to your concerns, I get that, but such is this election. We're still fighting fires, we'll worry about rebuilding tomorrow.
 
I hear you...the voting reform was a huge disappointment for the Left.

Yet, while it was a big miss, he hit more than he missed, and, more importantly, he hit more than the competition.

I disagree. On his failure to pass electoral reform alone for shortsighted, selfish reasons, he missed at least as much as he hit, and again, that's before the scandals. Better than Sheer (which is a low bar), but still bad.

I'd like to see the Greens or the NDP get a crack at it, but they need to mature as parties. If you're going to be an idealistic party, you need to be better on the "here's how we're going to get there" front than anyone else. As much as I like the ideals of the NDP and the Green party, I just don't see how they get there - especially when getting there includes getting buy in from the nation.

So, all I'm left with is strategic voting, since neither the NDP or the Greens have the power behind them to stuff the conservatives. Not exactly an answer to your concerns, I get that, but such is this election. We're still fighting fires, we'll worry about rebuilding tomorrow.

Again, I don't really see anything that suggests Green or NDP aren't ready for power; that's really more a proliferation of a baseless stereotype. They have plans and have laid them out; you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink I guess.

People keep bringing up Bob Rae, but Bob Rae was one province decades ago, and ultimately more of a Liberal politico.

Further, as I've said before, Green and the NDP should probably merge and unify the actual left in this country as the Conservatives did with the Alliance, which will likely have run on effects of eating a big chunk of the Liberal left vote, as many left, or left leaning voters side with them on a strategic basis due to presently being the only leftish party that can thwart the Conservatives.
 
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I disagree. On his failure to pass electoral reform alone for shortsighted, selfish reasons, he missed at least as much as he hit, and again, that's before the scandals. Better than Sheer (which is a low bar), but still bad.



Again, I don't really see anything that suggests Green or NDP aren't ready for power; that's really more a proliferation of a baseless stereotype. They have plans and have laid them out; you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink I guess.

People keep bringing up Bob Rae, but Bob Rae was one province decades ago, and ultimately more of a Liberal politico.

Further, as I've said before, Green and the NDP should probably merge and unify the actual left in this country as the Conservatives did with the Alliance, which will likely have run on effects of eating a big chunk of the Liberal left vote, as many left, or left leaning voters side with them on a strategic basis due to presently being the only leftish party that can thwart the Conservatives.

hehe...well, we all have our ways of seeing things. :) I see it a little differently, but that's ok. We may have different priorities driving our opinions....but ultimately I think we agree that it's important to keep the conservatives out, so no sense picking fights over everything else, all of which is less important than the primary goal.

I did want to note a chuckle, though...the NDP and the Greens uniting?? :) Given how desperate they are to torpedo each other for third place, I doubt it... ;) But I do agree with you, for whatever that's worth. It would give them balance.
 
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