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It's Not Really About Racism

tosca1

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This latest blackface controversy is missing the real point of it all. It's not about racism.

It's about the character of Justin Trudeau.


Defined in this context (from Merriam):

- the complex of mental and ethical traits marking and often individualizing a person, group, or nation (the character of the American people)

- moral excellence and firmness (a man of sound character)




The SNC-Lavalin scandal had shown us that he can indeed lie. He has no problem with that.
This latest blackface scandal had clearly shown, he's good at it.

This isn't a learned trait from being a politician. But, having been raised in politics - the art of lying, must've come with it.
Having the skill at drama and acting (after all, he was a drama teacher), only makes that art of lying even more compelling and believable.


He's already proven to be a liar. He consciously lied. We have so many proofs!
Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!
Fool me THRICE............ what? We're proven morons? We deserve what we get?

Why should we believe and settle for a proven liar? How can one even believe anything that he promise?

Lol. It's not even like we have an efficient leader at the helm! Look at all the fiascos he'd made one after another!
From that India trip (surprising he didn't put on a brown make-up to go with that costume and dancing), to buying a used pipeline for billons of dollars.......... that we could've gotten for free!
Not to mention, becoming an international HYPOCRITICALLY sanctimonious embarrassment...... of a huge calibre!

Is this liar worth it?

If you're so cynical to believe all politicians are liars anyway - well, I do suggest then - let's try another liar!
Another liar, who may at least do something good for this nation.
 
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Think those back in the day may resent doing so but cannot come out against it. It doesn't mean they're racist. They have to deal/live with people who are.In Hollywood in some feature films/musicals,blacks also wore black face as well.Those days lynchings,burning of homes and businesses of black people was a everyday event. Okay Trudeau did it and he's sorry though he should not quit his position. You can bet more will come about about people in the spotlight in the past wearing black face.
Do I know anyone who is older than 70 who wore black face ? I never bother to ask.
 
Think those back in the day may resent doing so but cannot come out against it. It doesn't mean they're racist. They have to deal/live with people who are.In Hollywood in some feature films/musicals,blacks also wore black face as well.Those days lynchings,burning of homes and businesses of black people was a everyday event. Okay Trudeau did it and he's sorry though he should not quit his position. You can bet more will come about about people in the spotlight in the past wearing black face.
Do I know anyone who is older than 70 who wore black face ? I never bother to ask.

I really don't care about other celebrities or anyone.
Sure, many people must've done that.....but I wonder how many of them had done so several times?


Having said that....

It's not really about him putting on a black face. It's about his character.
 
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This latest blackface controversy is missing the real point of it all. It's not about racism.

It's about the character of Justin Trudeau.


Defined in this context (from Merriam):

- the complex of mental and ethical traits marking and often individualizing a person, group, or nation (the character of the American people)

- moral excellence and firmness (a man of sound character)




The SNC-Lavalin scandal had shown us that he can indeed lie. He has no problem with that.
This latest blackface scandal had clearly shown, he's good at it.

This isn't a learned trait from being a politician. But, having been raised in politics - the art of lying, must've come with it.
Having the skill at drama and acting (after all, he was a drama teacher), only makes that art of lying even more compelling and believable.


He's already proven to be a liar. He consciously lied. We have so many proofs!
Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!
Fool me THRICE............ what? We're proven morons? We deserve what we get?

Why should we believe and settle for a proven liar? How can one even believe anything that he promise?

Lol. It's not even like we have an efficient leader at the helm! Look at all the fiascos he'd made one after another!
From that India trip (surprising he didn't put on a brown make-up to go with that costume and dancing), to buying a used pipeline for billons of dollars.......... that we could've gotten for free!
Not to mention, becoming an international HYPOCRITICALLY sanctimonious embarrassment...... of a huge calibre!

Is this liar worth it?

If you're so cynical to believe all politicians are liars anyway - well, I do suggest then - let's try another liar!
Another liar, who may at least do something good for this nation.

Couple things, my friend.

1) How does the blackface thing go back to lying?

2) Irrespective of #1, he's still better than Scheer.

As always, for our country, I will hope for a minority government, no matter who wins. Hell, I'd even be happy with a Conservative minority...though I doubt you would, given that they'd have to compromise and get along with the "dreaded enemy"... ;)
 
I really don't care about other celebrities or anyone.
Sure, many people must've done that.....but I wonder how many of them had done so several times?


Having said that....

It's not really about him putting on a black face. It's about his character.

How many have done so several times? Well...if they were involved with theatre, when blackface wasn't yet completely verboten, probably lots. :shrug:

I do like that conservatives care about racism all of a sudden, though. This is a good thing! :)
 
Couple things, my friend.

1) How does the blackface thing go back to lying?


Deliberate omission, is also dishonesty.

Was Trudeau ever vetted by the Liberal Party, or is he also above vetting?

Like what Craig Oliver had pointed out - why didn't he come out with this during his vetting process?

Why spring a surprise like this at the eve of an election?

In other words, he was also deceitful with his own party! Lol. Imagine that.....he deceived even his own Party!




And.....when he was caught......

The info came in drips - had to be wrung from him. :lol:

And now, he won't even say if there are any more racist photos/recordings from him!




2) Irrespective of #1, he's still better than Scheer.


You're an admitted fan boy of Trudeau - of course, what else will you say?





As always, for our country, I will hope for a minority government, no matter who wins. Hell, I'd even be happy with a Conservative minority...though I doubt you would, given that they'd have to compromise and get along with the "dreaded enemy"... ;)

We can all make wishes - imho, I'd prefer a majority Conservative, for the good of our country!
There are 3 socialist-leaning parties (Liberal, NDP and Green) - of course, they'll share similar vision.

Having a minority Conservative government would mean, more of socialist policies will be enacted!
 
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Deliberate omission, is also dishonesty.

Was Trudeau ever vetted by the Liberal Party, or is he also above vetting?

Like what Craig Oliver had pointed out - why didn't he come out with this during his vetting process?

Why spring a surprise like this at the eve of an election?

In other words, he was also deceitful with his own party! Lol. Imagine that.....he deceived even his own Party!




And.....when he was caught......

The info came in drips - had to be wrung from him. :lol:

And now, he won't even say if there are any more racist photos/recordings from him!







You're an admitted fan boy of Trudeau - of course, what else will you say?







We can all make wishes - imho, I'd prefer a majority Conservative, for the good of our country!
There are 3 socialist-leaning parties (Liberal, NDP and Green) - of course, they'll share similar vision.

Having a minority Conservative government would mean, more of socialist policies will be enacted!

Deliberate omission? lol... good grief. I wonder how any of our politicians would stand up to the sort of scrutiny that would uncover this sort of thing. I also find it hysterical that all of a sudden you guys give a ****....as if we forgot everything that came before.

I'm not making any excuses, and I feel like his apology was required. But beyond that, I'm not willing to hand the country over to the Conservatives simply because of some Trudeau stupidity that has long passed it's best before date. Today's conservatives demonstrate far more harmful marginalization than anything drummed up here.

Ah well, at least the Conservatives and the NDP have something to get into bed about...that's nice for a change... ;) :lol:

As for the socialist bla bla bla... FFS, Tos, please learn what socialism is, and what the platforms of all your major options are, then get back to me. I can't even take that part of your post seriously, the way you left it.
 
Deliberate omission? lol... good grief. I wonder how any of our politicians would stand up to the sort of scrutiny that would uncover this sort of thing. I also find it hysterical that all of a sudden you guys give a ****....as if we forgot everything that came before.

I'm not making any excuses, and I feel like his apology was required. But beyond that, I'm not willing to hand the country over to the Conservatives simply because of some Trudeau stupidity that has long passed it's best before date. Today's conservatives demonstrate far more harmful marginalization than anything drummed up here.

Ah well, at least the Conservatives and the NDP have something to get into bed about...that's nice for a change... ;) :lol:

As for the socialist bla bla bla... FFS, Tos, please learn what socialism is, and what the platforms of all your major options are, then get back to me. I can't even take that part of your post seriously, the way you left it.

:lol:


FLASHBACK!!!

02-27-19


Remember this thread that you started?


Welp...while Americans were having a field day with the whole Cohen thing, we had our own little party up here...Jody Wilson-Raybould got the mic. Damn! And it goes a little something like this...

Jody Wilson-Raybould says she was target of ‘veiled threats’ over SNC-Lavalin prosecution | The Star

Now, first up, Trudeau was my guy. I voted for him. I approve of a lot of what he has done in this country, found issue with a few things, but overall, given the alternatives, I feel like he was the right choice. So, of course, my natural inclination is to want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

However. Upon reading what this woman had to say, I have no choice, as a Liberal, to be at the front of the line, DEMANDING that this be fully investigated, and that, if the allegations are found to be true, Justin Trudeau immediately step down as Prime Minister of Canada. Irrespective of the reasoning behind it, the jobs he says he was attempting to save, if this is proven to be true then he has utterly destroyed the credibility of not only himself, but the general philosophical movement he claimed to represent, however categorically unrepresentative of it this action may be. If proven true (sorry, I have to keep saying that), this is a hard lesson that the best of ideas can be the most effective way to mask the same old ****.

I know there will be gloating. I have been a staunch supporter, and talked some serious **** in defense or in praise of this guy. To say that I feel like my ass is showing right now is a massive understatement. So knock yourselves out, if this is proven true, I earned it. But no matter what, the right thing to do for this country is to ensure the integrity and credibility of our highest office. Nevertheless, if proven true, I owe a lot of folks an apology.

I want to see an investigation proceed immediately. For all the reasons stated above, but perhaps most personally, because if this is proven to be true, he made an idiot out of me for thinking he was a good guy, and battling on his his behalf. Guess we'll find out...I'm not thinking he's gonna find a way to wiggle his way out of this one.



Trudeau is pooched.



Looks like, same-old same-old for you, my dear friend.
He's got you back - neatly twisted round his little pinkie.......

......... lapping at his same old bs. :shrug:



Oh well......
 
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:lol:


FLASHBACK!!!

02-27-19


Remember this thread that you started?






Trudeau is pooched.



Looks like, same-old same-old for you, my dear friend.
He's got you back - neatly twisted round his little pinkie.......

......... lapping at his same old bs. :shrug:



Oh well......

Tos...you're deserving of a go **** yourself, simply because we're buds, and you use such cheap and lazy debate tactics.

But I'm not gonna give it to you...because I pity poor Canadian conservatives who have felt so unrepresented that they have to degrade themselves so badly as to use American alt-right-esque fantasy reasoning to be able to take themselves seriously, even if no one else does.

Instead, I'm going to explain it to you, in such a way as is even understandable by the widest open of the mouth breathers.

I hold Trudeau accountable for each and every one of his gaffes. I do not excuse them. I wish like hell that the Liberals had put someone else up as their leader. I sympathize with the frustrations of his detractors.

However.

Given that neither the Green party, nor the NDP, are serious contenders, and given that I'd suffer a million Trudeau gaffes before I play any role in seeing that massive **** stain on this country, aka the CPC, get control, I'm going to vote for the only party that will block that gong show, until such a time as the Conservative Party of Canada return to their progressive roots, in favor of the bigoted, populist, brain dead cluster **** it has become. Canadian patriots have only one job to do this election, and it is to prevent the nightmare that Scheer would bring to this country.

And for the record, as long as you are a Conservative supporter, you do not have one single ounce of credibility when dropping ugly nonsense like "lapping at his same old bs". I have, in the past, shown respect for differing opinions in Canadian politics, while all the while knowing that it is pointless to mention your gluttonous appetite for the new Conservative vitriol that promises to justify your pitiful ignorance and outdated, hateful views...your desperation to shed your Canadianism, in favor of some alt-right wet dream where you are better than everyone else simply for being in the club. But if you want to call me out, well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and all of that.

Get back to me when your fake Insurance Agent of a hero demonstrates even the slightest shred of honesty. That is if you can understand a single word coming from his mouth, what with Saudi Arabia's **** so deep in his throat. I am not a Trudeau fan, but he's the best we've got. How pathetic does that make your guy, my dear friend?

Oh well...
 
Andrew Scheer is not getting much grass roots support. At a rally in the GTA region yesterday he only got 100 or so supporters.

No doubt the CPC chose the wrong leader (still better than Maxime) I expect because they wanted to go "young" to counter Trudeau and the NDP. Scheer lacks charisma, and seemingly has less then Harper, and he lacks Harper's political skills
 
It seems blackface mistakes are an issue in a few politician's past. It was stupid and reflects badly on his judgement at the time but he came clean and apologized and I'm fine with that. I wore an aboriginal costume for Halloween once when I was a boy. Cultural appropriation no doubt but it doesn't mean that a) I'm racist and b) a bad person for the rest of my life.

As for SNC that's a little different. He didn't handle that very well. He was trying to do the right thing for constituents but should have stayed out of the legal process. SNC committed serious crimes and deserves legal ramifications.

Fortunately for Trudeau the NDP is weak and Andrew Scheer is a charisma black hole with his own skeletons.
 
Tos...you're deserving of a go **** yourself, simply because we're buds, and you use such cheap and lazy debate tactics.

For quoting what you've said only a few months back?




However.

Given that neither the Green party, nor the NDP, are serious contenders, and given that I'd suffer a million Trudeau gaffes before I play any role in seeing that massive **** stain on this country, aka the CPC, get control, I'm going to vote for the only party that will block that gong show, until such a time as the Conservative Party of Canada return to their progressive roots, in favor of the bigoted, populist, brain dead cluster **** it has become. Canadian patriots have only one job to do this election, and it is to prevent the nightmare that Scheer would bring to this country.

And for the record, as long as you are a Conservative supporter, you do not have one single ounce of credibility when dropping ugly nonsense like "lapping at his same old bs". I have, in the past, shown respect for differing opinions in Canadian politics, while all the while knowing that it is pointless to mention your gluttonous appetite for the new Conservative vitriol that promises to justify your pitiful ignorance and outdated, hateful views...your desperation to shed your Canadianism, in favor of some alt-right wet dream where you are better than everyone else simply for being in the club. But if you want to call me out, well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and all of that.

Get back to me when your fake Insurance Agent of a hero demonstrates even the slightest shred of honesty. That is if you can understand a single word coming from his mouth, what with Saudi Arabia's **** so deep in his throat. I am not a Trudeau fan, but he's the best we've got. How pathetic does that make your guy, my dear friend?

Oh well...

Lol. What can be worse than a politician who is brazenly, and openly corrupt?


Anyway, looking at the polls I think we've passed the threshold that distinguish Canada from any corrupt regime.
Majority doesn't care anymore - we deserve what we get.

Oh well.....



I hold Trudeau accountable for each and every one of his gaffes. I do not excuse them.

But you'll find excuses to support him.



I wish like hell that the Liberals had put someone else up as their leader. I sympathize with the frustrations of his detractors.

I wish so, too.
 
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For quoting what you've said only a few months back?






Lol. What can be worse than a politician who is brazenly, and openly corrupt?


Anyway, looking at the polls I think we've passed the threshold that distinguish Canada from any corrupt regime.
Majority doesn't care anymore - we deserve what we get.

Oh well.....





But you'll find excuses to support him.





I wish so, too.

Tos, you forget, we're Canadian. We do not vote for our PM, we vote for the party. By putting so much emphasis on what one guy does, you show a lack of understanding of how our politics work...or you're just trying to be ugly without worrying about substance.

Either way, I stand by what I said: Trudeau has made numerous gaffes, some incredibly bad, but even with that, the Liberals are the only viable party for those of us not wanting to see our country turned into a dumpster fire. Is that you have learned nothing about what a divisive force conservatism is at that time, by looking south, or is it that you are secretly wanting that kind of environment for our country?
 
Tos, you forget, we're Canadian. We do not vote for our PM, we vote for the party.
:roll:


Baloney! Not with this one.

Who's dah boss?

Lol. Think back to the Raybould controversy -

even that corrupt Privy Council recognized who's dah boss! :lol:


You guys better get used to the fact:
a corrupt leader will corrupt his team! Or else.......

Look what happened to Raybould!
 
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Either way, I stand by what I said: Trudeau has made numerous gaffes, some incredibly bad, but even with that, the Liberals are the only viable party for those of us not wanting to see our country turned into a dumpster fire.
Is that you have learned nothing about what a divisive force conservatism is at that time, by looking south, or is it that you are secretly wanting that kind of environment for our country?

You don't know that. You're assuming that because you've been drinking
the Liberal Party kool-aid.

But what we do know for a fact - because of what we have seen - the Liberals are the ones who'll turned this country into a raging dumpster fire. It's already burning, Nate!:lol:



Speaking of environment.....


Your boy doesn't even hide his bs anymore.

What's that about Trudeau using 2 airplanes? :lamo

Just because he paid the carbon tax - does the environment know that?




Trudeau treats his followers like idiots!
That's how he sees them, I guess. :shrug:
 
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Tos, you forget, we're Canadian. We do not vote for our PM, we vote for the party. By putting so much emphasis on what one guy does, you show a lack of understanding of how our politics work

Yup, that's the story. You just don't seem to realize it's a story. The PM, regardless of party, is in essence, the King of Canada. He calls ALL the shots. The MP we vote for is a tick mark in the column of the party leaders and little more. The highest number of tick marks determines which individual will run the country. Our MP is supposed to be our representative to Ottawa, but the truth is that they are Ottawa's representative to us.

Your position in naive.
 
Yup, that's the story. You just don't seem to realize it's a story. The PM, regardless of party, is in essence, the King of Canada. He calls ALL the shots. The MP we vote for is a tick mark in the column of the party leaders and little more. The highest number of tick marks determines which individual will run the country. Our MP is supposed to be our representative to Ottawa, but the truth is that they are Ottawa's representative to us.

Your position in naive.

Not quite all the shots, Trudeau did not get SNC a deferred prosecution deal for instance
 
Not quite all the shots, Trudeau did not get SNC a deferred prosecution deal for instance

Not for lack of trying!

Lol. Thanks to Raybould (and Globe and Mail), or he would've succeeded!

It was only because the scandal broke out - that's why he didn't get that deal!



Hello? Forgot this already?


Trudeau broke ethics rules by trying to exert influence in SNC-Lavalin scandal: report

Trudeau broke ethics rules by trying to exert influence in SNC-Lavalin scandal: report - National | Globalnews.ca
 
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Yup, that's the story. You just don't seem to realize it's a story. The PM, regardless of party, is in essence, the King of Canada. He calls ALL the shots. The MP we vote for is a tick mark in the column of the party leaders and little more. The highest number of tick marks determines which individual will run the country. Our MP is supposed to be our representative to Ottawa, but the truth is that they are Ottawa's representative to us.

Your position in naive.

And your position means squat to me. Your failure to understand Canadian politics matches your failure to understand anything. Next you'll be telling me the Muslims are coming for our wives and daughters.

Sorry, lack of credibility extends to all subjects, I'm afraid.
 
You don't know that. You're assuming that because you've been drinking
the Liberal Party kool-aid.

But what we do know for a fact - because of what we have seen - the Liberals are the ones who'll turned this country into a raging dumpster fire. It's already burning, Nate!:lol:



Speaking of environment.....


Your boy doesn't even hide his bs anymore.

What's that about Trudeau using 2 airplanes? :lamo

Just because he paid the carbon tax - does the environment know that?




Trudeau treats his followers like idiots!
That's how he sees them, I guess. :shrug:


:lol: Ok, Tos. I mean...

Trudeau defends the number of planes used by his campaign - BBC News

I think our Prime Minister said it best:

"What we're seeing here from the Conservatives is a classic and desperate attempt to distract that they have zero respect for the environment," he told journalists in Montreal.

Classic and desperate. Yup.
 
Not for lack of trying!

Lol. Thanks to Raybould (and Globe and Mail), or he would've succeeded!

It was only because the scandal broke out - that's why he didn't get that deal!



Hello? Forgot this already?


Trudeau broke ethics rules by trying to exert influence in SNC-Lavalin scandal: report

Trudeau broke ethics rules by trying to exert influence in SNC-Lavalin scandal: report - National | Globalnews.ca


I love how the Conservative party has left you with nothing but "But, Trudeau", and crying noises.

Fact 1: Liberal supporters have nearly unanimously denounced the SNC affair. I did too, as you were so eager to throw in my face, as if you thought I'd backtrack.

Fact 2: Even with the SNC affair, the Liberals are still a better option than the Conservatives, who's lies, gaffes, and strategies which seem determined to actually turn our country into a mirror image of what uneducated America would like to see in their country.

Sorry...Trudeau's no prize pony...but your guy is the **** the pony leaves behind for scooping.
 
And your position means squat to me. Your failure to understand Canadian politics matches your failure to understand anything. Next you'll be telling me the Muslims are coming for our wives and daughters.

Sorry, lack of credibility extends to all subjects, I'm afraid.

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"),[1]short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
 
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"),[1]short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

Oh dear, you're confused. Let me help with a definition of my own:

en·light·en
/inˈlītn,enˈlītn/
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verb
give (someone) greater knowledge and understanding about a subject or situation.
"Christopher had not enlightened Frances as to their relationship"

In this case I'm attempting to enlighten you regarding the fact that I don't give a single **** what you have to say about anything. Hopefully this will save you from wasting your time (and mine) going forward. You're welcome.
 
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