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    14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...s-nb-1.5268498

    Okay, someone please explain to me just what the heck happened here. The campaign hasn't even started and the Atlanitic part of the NDP is in significant revolt. Why? Is this a rebuke of the National ND Party or is it a reaction to the leader Jagmeet Singh or is it something else? Leading the NDP has become akin to herding political cats but these moggies may have just run out of lives.

    Incredible, but also good news for the Green Party behind which the rebelling candidates are throwing their support. The NDP however is in deep trouble now.

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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    It is important to note for anyone who did not read the article that these are not federal NDP candidates, they are provincial candidates.
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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...s-nb-1.5268498

    Okay, someone please explain to me just what the heck happened here. The campaign hasn't even started and the Atlanitic part of the NDP is in significant revolt. Why? Is this a rebuke of the National ND Party or is it a reaction to the leader Jagmeet Singh or is it something else? Leading the NDP has become akin to herding political cats but these moggies may have just run out of lives.

    Incredible, but also good news for the Green Party behind which the rebelling candidates are throwing their support. The NDP however is in deep trouble now.

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    From reading the article it seems that they feel like they are forgotten by the federal NDP, Jagmeet Singh in particular, and also probably trying to jump off a sinking ship. Singh is an awful leader and at the rate he is going he may be the man who destroys the NDP, federally at least, and he is definitely not helping the provincial parties either.
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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It is important to note for anyone who did not read the article that these are not federal NDP candidates, they are provincial candidates.
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    Yes, good point. Thank you for correcting my omission.

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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    I expect the NDP will be dead or merge with the Green party in the next 10 years.

    The NDP are no longer the party of blue collar union workers ( of which there are fewer and fewer each year). They have moved heavily towards being an environmentalist party with social welfare aspects. I do feel they should merge as to improve their electoral chances, the vote splitting between two similar parties hurts them both

    On a side note, I hope the Peoples Party of Canada can get about 3-5 % of the vote. Taking away the votes from the Conservative Party
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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I expect the NDP will be dead or merge with the Green party in the next 10 years.

    The NDP are no longer the party of blue collar union workers ( of which there are fewer and fewer each year). They have moved heavily towards being an environmentalist party with social welfare aspects. I do feel they should merge as to improve their electoral chances, the vote splitting between two similar parties hurts them both

    On a side note, I hope the Peoples Party of Canada can get about 3-5 % of the vote. Taking away the votes from the Conservative Party
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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...s-nb-1.5268498

    Okay, someone please explain to me just what the heck happened here. The campaign hasn't even started and the Atlanitic part of the NDP is in significant revolt. Why? Is this a rebuke of the National ND Party or is it a reaction to the leader Jagmeet Singh or is it something else? Leading the NDP has become akin to herding political cats but these moggies may have just run out of lives.

    Incredible, but also good news for the Green Party behind which the rebelling candidates are throwing their support. The NDP however is in deep trouble now.

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    Personally I feel it's a step in the right direction.

    NDP and Green should join forces/resources and consolidate the left vote as the Alliance and Conservatives did among the right when they formed the PCs, preferably under better leadership.

    Right now the two parties are too similar to each other, and cannibalize each other's votes and base, thus robbing the Canadian left of power it might otherwise enjoy.
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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    Personally I feel it's a step in the right direction.

    NDP and Green should join forces/resources and consolidate the left vote as the Alliance and Conservatives did among the right when they formed the PCs, preferably under better leadership.

    Right now the two parties are too similar to each other, and cannibalize each other's votes and base, thus robbing the Canadian left of power it might otherwise enjoy.
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    Accentuating the positive, I see. But in the long run you're probably right.

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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I expect the NDP will be dead or merge with the Green party in the next 10 years.

    The NDP are no longer the party of blue collar union workers ( of which there are fewer and fewer each year). They have moved heavily towards being an environmentalist party with social welfare aspects. I do feel they should merge as to improve their electoral chances, the vote splitting between two similar parties hurts them both

    On a side note, I hope the Peoples Party of Canada can get about 3-5 % of the vote. Taking away the votes from the Conservative Party
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    Maxine Bernier has a dark and dangerous side in my opinion, so the less well the PPC does, the better in my opinion. His recent Twitter attack on the 16 year old climate activist Greta Thunberg is only the most recent demonstration of this. He's a wolf in sheeps clothing and we are all the lambs.

    I would prefer to let Andrew Scheer's sparkling charisma lose the election for the Tories all by itself. The problem for me is I want Justin Trudeau gone too, so I don't see a good end to this election, no matter which way it breaks. We need a corruption resistant centrist party and we don't have one. Paul Martin was the last good Liberal PM we had in my opinion, even considering the Canada Steamship Lines question which dogged Martin.

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    Re: 14 New Brunswick NDP Candidates Defect to the Green Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Lord Tammerlaain:

    Maxine Bernier has a dark and dangerous side in my opinion, so the less well the PPC does, the better in my opinion. His recent Twitter attack on the 16 year old climate activist Greta Thunberg is only the most recent demonstration of this. He's a wolf in sheeps clothing and we are all the lambs.

    I would prefer to let Andrew Scheer's sparkling charisma lose the election for the Tories all by itself. The problem for me is I want Justin Trudeau gone too, so I don't see a good end to this election, no matter which way it breaks. We need a corruption resistant centrist party and we don't have one. Paul Martin was the last good Liberal PM we had in my opinion, even considering the Canada Steamship Lines question which dogged Martin.

    Cheers.
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    So long as the Liberals and Conservatives alike bathe in the money of mega donors (typically corporations and the wealthy), neither will be free of corruption, and neither will be truly representative of the Canadian populace, so good luck getting your 'corruption resistant centrists'. The Americanization of Canadian politics has certainly come a long way in a relatively short period of time. Trudeau had his chance to reverse the Conservative cancellation of the public vote subsidy, which was obviously done with the intent of making our political parties all but wholly reliant on and beholden to said mega donors (and thus economically right leaning) outside of broad, Sanders like grass roots donations, and chose not to for the sake of political expediency. Likewise, he reneged for the same reason on implementing the recommendations of his own advisory committee regarding democratic reform.


    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Surrealistik:

    Accentuating the positive, I see. But in the long run you're probably right.

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