Aboriginal Genocide in Canada?

Evilroddy said:

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Buzz 62:

The invitation is to your society but not theirs. That's pretty much the thinking behind 260 years of British and Canadian assimilation policy and perhaps genocide. We need a new door to a new destination and both should be designed by indigenous people themselves with our assistance but not our control.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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You do realize that the Canadian society is there for all Canadians...right?
I mean...this IS Canada. Turning the clock back is not an option.
You really wanna just sell the farm, don't you.
Could a Canadian join the Natives and take advantage of their life style and live on the reserves? No.
Assimilation (Melting Pot) is the ONLY way the natives will find peace...unless they want to crap in the woods. And as Natives...they are welcome to do just that should they choose.

OlNate said:

Is apologizing enough? Where would these folks be without our direct interference. You seem to acknowledge it and have a strong feeling about it...but minimize the response. In a civil court, the plaintiff dictates the compensation, and a judge rules on whether or not it's appropriate. I don't think we get to say "Ok, here's an apology, now you're good"...

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So what would you do?

OlNate said:

Also, enough with the crapping in the woods bit, we get it, you think indigenous folk are primitive if they want to live in rural settings. :roll:

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So let them live in rural settings. Hell I wish I could live in a rural setting.
This whole thing eludes me completely. I can't figure out what REALISTICALLY these people want.
I don't think they know either. I mean...
- The entrenched society is … entrenched.
- We (Canadians) are not going to just leave.
- Canada is not gonna turn over ruling power of the nation to natives...unless one runs and wins an election.

So what is realistically attainable here? I don't know.

Buzz62 said:

So what would you do?


So let them live in rural settings. Hell I wish I could live in a rural setting.
This whole thing eludes me completely. I can't figure out what REALISTICALLY these people want.
I don't think they know either. I mean...
- The entrenched society is … entrenched.
- We (Canadians) are not going to just leave.
- Canada is not gonna turn over ruling power of the nation to natives...unless one runs and wins an election.

So what is realistically attainable here? I don't know.

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I agree, its wildly complicated, and frankly not in my area of expertise. I can grasp that what's been done to them is immeasurable, but cannot begin to be able to claim understanding. All I know is that we need to take the process seriously, we need to ditch the attitudes and the rhetoric and really listen, and find out from them what the solution is.

OlNate said:

I agree, its wildly complicated, and frankly not in my area of expertise. I can grasp that what's been done to them is immeasurable, but cannot begin to be able to claim understanding. All I know is that we need to take the process seriously, we need to ditch the attitudes and the rhetoric and really listen, and find out from them what the solution is.

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So what are you suggesting?
I mean, it's generally not a good idea to tell anyone they can have anything they want.

Buzz62 said:

I need to ask...What's wrong with assimilation into mainstream Canadian society?
Why is losing one's Indian Status so bad? Unless there's a financial benefit perhaps?
Ever heard of the checks many natives in Alberta get for oil rights?

As for the Band Leaders...they spend more time screwing with the lesser bands than they do as activists or doing anything good for their own bands.
They generally live like kings, while the band lives in ATCO trailers.

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Buzz62:

Nothing is wrong with assimilation if the assimilated desire it. However compelled assimilation is very wrong if you reject the culture into which you are being assimilated. How would you feel and react if for inexplicable reasons you woke up to a Canada determined to remove Hungarian culture from the Canadian mosaic. Your kids are seized by legal authorities for education to remove all vestiges of Magyar influence in them from language, to history, to food, song and ritual/tradition. Your home is seized and you are forcibly relocated and confined to a wilderness where there is no economic opportunity and no hope. If you or your preschool kids try to run you are hunted down or cut off from all societal protections. You are forced to experience the demonisation or the caricaturisating of your ancestors' culture and history. You traditions are banned and if you follow them anyway you are arrested and punished. That is the reality of the last quarter millennium for Canda's indigenous people so are you suprised so many of them reject Canadian culture?

Losing Indian Status causes you to lose legal personality unless you agree to be a Canadian citizen instead. No rights, no freedoms and no protections.

Think how much more money they would have been entitled to if they owned the oil and the land on top of it, which was taken from them by France, Britain, Canada, settlers, land speculators and Railway Companies. Table scraps are not a remedy.

Regarding band leaders, speak to some First Nations people about that. I have first hand knowlege but me telling you is hollow compared to their experiences.

And who enables the would-be kings of the band reserves? Divide and rule by an historically cynical and malignant Federal Government from the indigenous perspective.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Evilroddy said:

Buzz62:

Nothing is wrong with assimilation if the assimilated desire it. However compelled assimilation is very wrong if you reject the culture into which you are being assimilated. How would you feel and react if for inexplicable reasons you woke up to a Canada determined to remove Hungarian culture from the Canadian mosaic. Your kids are seized by legal authorities for education to remove all vestiges of Magyar influence in them from language, to history, to food, song and ritual/tradition. Your home is seized and you are forcibly relocated and confined to a wilderness where there is no economic opportunity and no hope. If you or your preschool kids try to run you are hunted down or cut off from all societal protections. You are forced to experience the demonisation or the caricaturisating of your ancestors' culture and history. You traditions are banned and if you follow them anyway you are arrested and punished. That is the reality of the last quarter millennium for Canda's indigenous people so are you suprised so many of them reject Canadian culture?

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I can live without Hungarian culture. It serves me no purpose here.
Thus none of this stuff would happen to me, because I AM first and foremost CANADIAN.

Evilroddy said:

Losing Indian Status causes you to lose legal personality unless you agree to be a Canadian citizen instead. No rights, no freedoms and no protections.

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I'm having trouble believing that any Native who loses his or her Indian Status, is not a Canadian citizen.

Evilroddy said:

Think how much more money they would have been entitled to if they owned the oil and the land on top of it, which was taken from them by France, Britain, Canada, settlers, land speculators and Railway Companies. Table scraps are not a remedy.

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Over 30K per head Roddy. Think about THAT.

Evilroddy said:

Regarding band leaders, speak to some First Nations people about that. I have first hand knowlege but me telling you is hollow compared to their experiences.

And who enables the would-be kings of the band reserves? Divide and rule by an historically cynical and malignant Federal Government from the indigenous perspective.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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The bottom line is, Canada is what it is. Either be a willing part of this great nation...or don't.
But don't complain to me if NOT being a part of it...isn't as rosy it sounded to the Iroquois centuries ago.