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Gimme a Break, please?

oneworld2 said:
I don't have to cite anything to criticize the BS central that is the Western liberal democracies

Why don't you comment on how nothing really changes dramatically for the 99% regardless who is in office and show how that works in a functioning/meaningful democracy ?

They told you that you lived in a democracy and you have never questioned it. You live in a plutocracy/polyarchy dressed up as a democracy
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Awww

Someone has found new words.

Plutocracy and polyarcy....

Cute.

So you have nothing superior to compare to and just sling impotent prattle at the forms of government that happen to be amongst the most successful on earth....

What needs to "change drastically" to satisfy you. A well running government should change through evolution, not revolution.

And I know this isn't a democracy per se. It is a representative republic with democratic election of said representatives.

And I can vote for whoever I wish. Rich or poor. Sane or crazy. We have had in the past lawyers, military members. A few had no elected offices before the presidency. We have had judges and even a minister and farmers.

Fail more. It is amusing.
 
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It's a rigged game Roddy and the chances of dramatic changes are slim in the extreme imo. Just look at the entrenchment of partisan politicos just regarding the two parties mentioned. Too many people pich their side , Cheech or Chong , it doesn't matter and spend their entire lives believing everything would be absolutely fabulous if it were not for the bastards on the other side.

Then you look at who and what controls the flow of information that shapes public opinion. The indoctrinations from cradle to grave of the religion of state. Then add to the mix the means at the disposal of those in power to drown any would be revolutionaries. Then finally take into account my lack of faith in the human condition and unwillingness to throw myself into the fire like Wat Tyler ;)

IMO the horse has bolted , Elvis has left the building and all's we can look forward to is collective suicide by natural disasters caused by human actions

I think you might just want to see me being hung, drawn and quartered . :shock: Maybe you are Evil after all :lol:
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Slacktivist.....
 
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oneworld2 said:
It's a rigged game Roddy and the chances of dramatic changes are slim in the extreme imo. Just look at the entrenchment of partisan politicos just regarding the two parties mentioned. Too many people pich their side , Cheech or Chong , it doesn't matter and spend their entire lives believing everything would be absolutely fabulous if it were not for the bastards on the other side.

Then you look at who and what controls the flow of information that shapes public opinion. The indoctrinations from cradle to grave of the religion of state. Then add to the mix the means at the disposal of those in power to drown any would be revolutionaries. Then finally take into account my lack of faith in the human condition and unwillingness to throw myself into the fire like Wat Tyler ;)

IMO the horse has bolted , Elvis has left the building and all's we can look forward to is collective suicide by natural disasters caused by human actions

I think you might just want to see me being hung, drawn and quartered . :shock: Maybe you are Evil after all :lol:
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oneworld2:

Of course it's a rigged game, if you follow the established rules. So make up a new game with new rules and use that to win elections. If you and the rest of the British electorate surrender to the parties and their elites, then you hand them the power which they crave and betray the institution of democracy by demoralisation, apathy and inaction. Democracy works for those who turn up, not those who shut down. The electorate is still supreme in a parliamentary democracy as is evident by the pulling down of PM Cameron's knickers before the whole world in the Brexit vote. Grassroots political organising and fund-raising is much easier today than it was a generation ago and now marginal and new parties or powerful political movements can emerge much more easily and much more rapidly to make a political foot print on the nation. Do an end-run around mass media by using social media. Instead of booking halls for speeches use leaderless resistance to convene flash-mob rallies and other public spectacles to catch the attention of people in towns and cities. In the rural areas us social media and good old-fashioned leg work to reach people and persuade them to break the established voting patterns and to roll the die on something new. You can either start low on the totem pole with local council government and then work your way up or you can leapfrog up to UK-wide politics and effect change from the top down. Or better still do both simultaneously.

If you don't want to be a Wat Tyler then don't hesitate and back down when confronted by entrenched power and elite scheming like the leaders of the Peasants Revolt did in 1381 when they were on the verge of victory surrounding and breaching the Tower of London where the King and his entourage were trapped and unable to marshal an effective defence. Instead drive hard with determination until you win and avoid the out-of-doors and violence so you can't be done for rebellion.

I don't want to see you hanged or topped-off/done-in by natural disasters either. But given that both alternatives seem to end with your predicted demise, why not give it a shot. We have no choice about dying, that's still inevitable these days. But we do have choices about how we will die and how we will live before our end comes. So rage against the dying of the light and do not go gentle into oblivion of night or into heaven (to paraphrase a famous Welshman). To also paraphrase an American Sci Fi writer, fear is the mind-killer and the sleepers must awaken. Democracy belongs to the demos unless the demos is blinded or beguiled by sly tongues and beautiful faces. Let the ugly mumblers arise and retake their democracy from the manicured hands and serpent tongues of the polished elites.

It won't be easy, it could get messy, but it's your right to try if you and the people dare to be free. Or you can reforge your own shackles every four years with comfortable hammers on familiar anvils. Your choice, mate. In Canada we voters rule the nation and the people of the U.K. can do it too if they want and if they dare to.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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oneworld2 said:
I don't see them as " screw ups " Roddy. It might be a convenient term with which to dismiss this or that corporate handout but the set up is systematic because the people who are gaining are controlling that system in cahoots with the people being elected into office by people they help to stitch up.

It's the same with all of the war crimes committed by Western democracies. We read about the blunder of Iraq or the debacle of Afghanistan or Syria etc etc but seldom if ever do we routinely referred to as the crimes they are.

Heaven forbid we might see that there's something wrong lol
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oneworld2:

Does it really matter what label you append to these misdeeds. Just punish those that effect the misdeeds and they will stop or you'll run out of misdeed doers to do them. The elites and their agents in government get away with this $h!t because we let them do so. Put them all in front of courts and don't give them any deferred action prosecution agreements and this will eventually stop when enough of them are convicted. If the powers that be push back with force, then burn down their offices and monuments of power. Burning down parliamentary buildings is an established tradition in Canada, so maybe you folks across the pond can have a wee bonfire this Nov. 5th at Westminster. Just claim it was an old UXB! ;)

Cheers.
Commandante Evilroddy.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Awww

Someone has found new words.

Plutocracy and polyarcy....

Cute.

So you have nothing superior to compare to and just sling impotent prattle at the forms of government that happen to be amongst the most successful on earth....

What needs to "change drastically" to satisfy you. A well running government should change through evolution, not revolution.

And I know this isn't a democracy per se. It is a representative republic with democratic election of said representatives.

And I can vote for whoever I wish. Rich or poor. Sane or crazy. We have had in the past lawyers, military members. A few had no elected offices before the presidency. We have had judges and even a minister and farmers.

Fail more. It is amusing.
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Erm ,they are not " new words " , just " new words " to you perhaps ..........and it's Polyarchy , not "polyarcy". I could have used Kleptocracy too if you want to google that :lol:

Slavery was " successful " as a system of socio-economic organisation , as was/is Feudalism . To claim something is successful isn't or shouldn't be the only criteria with which to judge how societies should be structured or organized. Nazism transformed pre WW2 Germany and the lives of Germans living there but I don't think it should serve as a role model . So obvious really but apparently not to you.

You are lost to the realities of your political system, how it functions and who it serves so it's a complete waste of time trying to discuss it with you. I will give you an example . Obama's election campaign won awards for its marketing of the Obama product in the US in the election year. The big funders and lobby groups fund both sides in the best democracy money can buy. All the people you cited served the interests of the same people Obama did or Trump has.

So , I will ask you again seeing as I didn't see an answer worthy of the name in your reply........... if we live in a meaningful democracy , a functioning democracy , how come massive corporations pay less of a percentage of their wealth in tax than people on minimum wages ? How come corporations get massive state handouts and bail outs while millions of people have no proper access to healthcare or have lost their homes ? I could go on with this and cite how the 1% are getting richer and richer whilst the rest are getting poorer but it would make no difference to you.
 
Evilroddy said:
oneworld2:

Of course it's a rigged game, if you follow the established rules. So make up a new game with new rules and use that to win elections. If you and the rest of the British electorate surrender to the parties and their elites, then you hand them the power which they crave and betray the institution of democracy by demoralisation, apathy and inaction. Democracy works for those who turn up, not those who shut down. The electorate is still supreme in a parliamentary democracy as is evident by the pulling down of PM Cameron's knickers before the whole world in the Brexit vote. Grassroots political organising and fund-raising is much easier today than it was a generation ago and now marginal and new parties or powerful political movements can emerge much more easily and much more rapidly to make a political foot print on the nation. Do an end-run around mass media by using social media. Instead of booking halls for speeches use leaderless resistance to convene flash-mob rallies and other public spectacles to catch the attention of people in towns and cities. In the rural areas us social media and good old-fashioned leg work to reach people and persuade them to break the established voting patterns and to roll the die on something new. You can either start low on the totem pole with local council government and then work your way up or you can leapfrog up to UK-wide politics and effect change from the top down. Or better still do both simultaneously.

If you don't want to be a Wat Tyler then don't hesitate and back down when confronted by entrenched power and elite scheming like the leaders of the Peasants Revolt did in 1381 when they were on the verge of victory surrounding and breaching the Tower of London where the King and his entourage were trapped and unable to marshal an effective defence. Instead drive hard with determination until you win and avoid the out-of-doors and violence so you can't be done for rebellion.

I don't want to see you hanged or topped-off/done-in by natural disasters either. But given that both alternatives seem to end with your predicted demise, why not give it a shot. We have no choice about dying, that's still inevitable these days. But we do have choices about how we will die and how we will live before our end comes. So rage against the dying of the light and do not go gentle into oblivion of night or into heaven (to paraphrase a famous Welshman). To also paraphrase an American Sci Fi writer, fear is the mind-killer and the sleepers must awaken. Democracy belongs to the demos unless the demos is blinded or beguiled by sly tongues and beautiful faces. Let the ugly mumblers arise and retake their democracy from the manicured hands and serpent tongues of the polished elites.

It won't be easy, it could get messy, but it's your right to try if you and the people dare to be free. Or you can reforge your own shackles every four years with comfortable hammers on familiar anvils. Your choice, mate. In Canada we voters rule the nation and the people of the U.K. can do it too if they want and if they dare to.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Fabulous words Roddy but not for me. I have no wish to play a part in rescuing the people from their fate. I see more of a chance of revolution in this country if it came out they had fiddled the vote in a reality TV show. I kid you not.

FWIW I do get involved in active ways in some things I am passionate about at a local level but having spent years fighting all sorts of injustices I have encountered I have tapered off . Maybe it's an age thing. I am not bitter , just tired and resigned to the fact that we are a ****ing dumb monkey with a very grandiose sense of self worth that will destroy our world and take everything else down with us.
 
Evilroddy said:
oneworld2:

Does it really matter what label you append to these misdeeds. Just punish those that effect the misdeeds and they will stop or you'll run out of misdeed doers to do them. The elites and their agents in government get away with this $h!t because we let them do so. Put them all in front of courts and don't give them any deferred action prosecution agreements and this will eventually stop when enough of them are convicted. If the powers that be push back with force, then burn down their offices and monuments of power. Burning down parliamentary buildings is an established tradition in Canada, so maybe you folks across the pond can have a wee bonfire this Nov. 5th at Westminster. Just claim it was an old UXB! ;)

Cheers.
Commandante Evilroddy.
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I think it does matter Roddy. Understanding the world involves accurate assessments of events and to understand we need to use the correct terms. If it's a crime then it's a crime and not a " blunder ". Would you call Ted Bundy a mass blunderer ?

They get away with this **** because they are allowed to get away with misrepresenting what is happening. The crime of aggression is wrapped up as " humanitarian intervention ". So people will never hold to account humanitarians even if they get caught doing nasty **** because they are duped into believing their intention is good and they have been forced into doing bad stuff by the bad people on the other side or have made mistakes. And hey , everyone makes mistakes don't they ?

Just look at the BS being spoken in this redeclared War on Terror. Iran is being set up and guess what ? The Iranian Republican Guard is designated as a terrorist organisation. Part of the standing army of a sovereign state is deemed a terrorist organisation. No hue and cry. Pompeo admits the CIA " lie , cheat and steal " such is the confidence/arrogance these nutcases have in expounding their criminality.

You're a clever bloke Commandante Roddy , you must see how the doublespeak pervades so many aspects of our lives and serves as a smokescreen. So accuracy in terminology is incredibly important
Funny you mention Guido Fawkes , Roddy. Him being the last man to enter Parliament with honourable intentions is the very man that is burned all over the country on November 5th.
 
oneworld2 said:
Erm ,they are not " new words " , just " new words " to you perhaps ..........and it's Polyarchy , not "polyarcy". I could have used Kleptocracy too if you want to google that :lol:
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New to you.

One might check a dictionary web cite before whining about spelling.

oneworld2 said:
Slavery was " successful " as a system of socio-economic organisation , as was/is Feudalism . To claim something is successful isn't or shouldn't be the only criteria with which to judge how societies should be structured or organized. Nazism transformed pre WW2 Germany and the lives of Germans living there but I don't think it should serve as a role model . So obvious really but apparently not to you.
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As to the bolded, neither were as effective, prosperous or as equitable as the "Western Democracies" you babble about. And fascism has zero to do with "Western Democracies" because... democracy.


oneworld2 said:
You are lost to the realities of your political system, how it functions and who it serves so it's a complete waste of time trying to discuss it with you. I will give you an example . Obama's election campaign won awards for its marketing of the Obama product in the US in the election year. The big funders and lobby groups fund both sides in the best democracy money can buy. All the people you cited served the interests of the same people Obama did or Trump has.
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And why isn't marketing a legitimate concern for politicians? You really are naive in the ways of politics. Marketing has been going on as long as elections. To deny that is ignorance.


AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY?

oneworld2 said:
So , I will ask you again seeing as I didn't see an answer worthy of the name in your reply........... if we live in a meaningful democracy , a functioning democracy , how come massive corporations pay less of a percentage of their wealth in tax than people on minimum wages ? How come corporations get massive state handouts and bail outs while millions of people have no proper access to healthcare or have lost their homes ? I could go on with this and cite how the 1% are getting richer and richer whilst the rest are getting poorer but it would make no difference to you.
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Less of a percentage of their wealth in tax than people on minimum wages?... False. You obviously do not understand businesses and their interactions with the tax system. Every time I see someone say a corporation pays "too little" I am reminded how ignorant people can be. Tell me of a company that is paying "too low" taxes. Minimum wage earners in the US normally pay NOTHING. The roughly 50% on the bottom of the pay scale pay nothing.

AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY?

How come corporations get massive state handouts and bail outs while millions of people have no proper access to healthcare or have lost their homes ? More ignorance. "Massive state handouts" can be in the form of Energy Saving incentives, incentives to increase medical care, Employer-Provided Child Care Credit, Rehabilitation, Energy and Reforestation Investments Credit, Qualified Research Expenses Credit, Small Employer Pension Plan Startup Costs Credit, Work Opportunity and Welfare-to-Work Expenses Credit.... The list goes on. Are those not laudable things?


AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY?

And the government does not own health care nor does in own homes, so they aren't under the purview.


AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY?

And the 1% get richer because they made it to the 1%.... Do you propose restricting people from what they can earn? Not very democratic of you.


AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY?
Now... What needs to "change drastically" to satisfy you. A well running government should change through evolution, not revolution.
 
Fledermaus said:
When one sees wrong one should have the balls to confront it.

If all you have are ignorant platitudes you are worse than the people who don't know the issue at all.

Slacktivist fits.
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They are not ignorant platitudes but demonstrable flaws and faults in the system that you wish to be shielded from having to consider , so your talk of people having balls is just more BS projection.

In my life I have fought many battles involving justice and discrimination etc and paid very real prices for it to my own detriment.

Like so many posts you make , they are based solely on your own ignorant assumptions.
 
oneworld2 said:
They are not ignorant platitudes but demonstrable flaws and faults in the system that you wish to be shielded from having to consider , so your talk of people having balls is just more BS projection.

In my life I have fought many battles involving justice and discrimination etc and paid very real prices for it to my own detriment.

Like so many posts you make , they are based solely on your own ignorant assumptions.
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I am not inclined to believe this post in its entirety.
 
oneworld2 said:
I think it does matter Roddy. Understanding the world involves accurate assessments of events and to understand we need to use the correct terms. If it's a crime then it's a crime and not a " blunder ". Would you call Ted Bundy a mass blunderer?
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I agree with your call for accuracy in public debate. However the use of the word "crime" is inaccurate in these cases. Whether we like it or not the Parliament, the Cabnet and by delegation of powers the Canada Revenue Agency have the lawfully vested power to grant these tax amnesties or deferrals. So in doing so they are not committing a crime. The action may be immoral and/or impolitic but it is not illegal. The actions may be designed to give preferential treatment to favoured persons (real or artificial) but they are once again not illegal. The issue is not a legal one but a political one. The political pressure must be created and maintained to change the law and to stop the misuse of this legal authority. The "screw-ups" are not occuring in spite of the law, but because of the law.

They get away with this **** because they are allowed to get away with misrepresenting what is happening. The crime of aggression is wrapped up as " humanitarian intervention ". So people will never hold to account humanitarians even if they get caught doing nasty **** because they are duped into believing their intention is good and they have been forced into doing bad stuff by the bad people on the other side or have made mistakes. And hey , everyone makes mistakes don't they ?
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That newspeak/double-speak is a problem is conceded but anyone who is adult and has a reasonable IQ can see through the babble and propaganda to then suss out the flagrant self-interests and bad intentions being served by the speakers. So again it boils down to a political question and not a legal one.

Just look at the BS being spoken in this redeclared War on Terror. Iran is being set up and guess what ? The Iranian Republican Guard is designated as a terrorist organisation. Part of the standing army of a sovereign state is deemed a terrorist organisation. No hue and cry. Pompeo admits the CIA " lie , cheat and steal " such is the confidence/arrogance these nutcases have in expounding their criminality.
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And how do you stop politicians from starting unnecessary wars? Once again it's a political question, not a legal one. Flood the streets with anti-war protesters, occupy critical infrastructure, paralyse the state and if necessary the economy. Publish the corporate structures linking arms and munitions producers with media companies and then discredit and pillory the media companies for advocating for war. Elect fire-brand anti-war politicians like Tulsi Gabbard in America. Force the legislatures of countries to take up their responsibilities to starve militarism through the control of the purse-strings. Get more people who oppose forever-war to run and to win in political races until they reach a political critical mass large enough to out and smother the militarists. Make illegal private intelligence, surveillance and mercenary companies and make it illegal to be a member of such organisations. Do this by doing an end-run around centrally controlled mass media using new communications, fundraising and political-action paradigms. Take power away from the privileged and dismantle the preferential status quo which the elites and their agents in the state have created for themselves. Become the catalyst or the driver for the change you want. Don't just pine for change, become change yourself and enlist likeminded allies to help effect such change. If Socrates could do it until they killed him in his seventies then you can do it too. Have the courage of your convictions.

Sitting on the sidelines and griping on the internet is doing no cause any real good. Change is made by real people who want that change badly enough and who have the will and focus to get well stuck-in until the change is forged and deeply institutionalised. We need greedy altruism to take hold. The notion of private greed serving the self must be counter-balanced by altruistic greed to ensure a fair and opportunity-rich society where all can prosper with effort and without cliquish preference. Only by creating a dynamic equilibrium between self-serving greed and we-serving, altruistic greed can a sustainable and generally harmonious society be created and maintained.

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You're a clever bloke Commandante Roddy , you must see how the doublespeak pervades so many aspects of our lives and serves as a smokescreen. So accuracy in terminology is incredibly important
Funny you mention Guido Fawkes , Roddy. Him being the last man to enter Parliament with honourable intentions is the very man that is burned all over the country on November 5th.
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Well, I will respectfully disagree with you on Guy Fawkes and his "honourable intentions". You can't just blow up your political opponents or you are no better than the very worst of your political opponents. But you can blow up an entire economic/political system peacefully and without resorting to destructive thermodynamics. Modern societies in the West function with very limited institutional engineering-tolerances (they're brittle and tend to break down when stressed) and therefore can be easily and legally derailed by a determined minority or peaceful resistance demanding change in a democracy. Then the Powers that Be have a choice to make. They can lose a disproportionate amount of income and wealth while these tolerances are exceeded in a gear-grinding society that's getting nowhere or they can cut a deal with the dissidents to stand down and let change happen peacefully. A third choice exists, to resort to undemocratic and authoritarian coersion but then that releases the much more numerous members of the society at large from their half of the social-contract and civil-society breaks down into open class or factional warfare. Forced to choose between civil war, anarchy or continued but reduced prosperity, most elites will choose the the last option.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Got to love American liberal politicians who take in millions and millions from corporations in campaign donations while claiming to be for the little guy.

I expect Canada is no different.
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Yeah, kinda like a Billionaire saying he is one of us, ludicrous....
 
Fledermaus said:
I am not inclined to believe this post in its entirety.
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No problem , it's not like I have any interest if what some national elite worshipper thinks of my words here or elsewhere in RL tbh
 
Evilroddy said:
I agree with your call for accuracy in public debate. However the use of the word "crime" is inaccurate in these cases. Whether we like it or not the Parliament, the Cabnet and by delegation of powers the Canada Revenue Agency have the lawfully vested power to grant these tax amnesties or deferrals. So in doing so they are not committing a crime. The action may be immoral and/or impolitic but it is not illegal. The actions may be designed to give preferential treatment to favoured persons (real or artificial) but they are once again not illegal. The issue is not a legal one but a political one. The political pressure must be created and maintained to change the law and to stop the misuse of this legal authority. The "screw-ups" are not occuring in spite of the law, but because of the law.
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sorry to snip for length

My contention is that if we had a functioning / meaningful democracy hardly any of the illegal wars would have been waged nor would we be commentating on state welfare programmes that assist the rich and powerful. I agree that my accusations wrt corporate welfare are not accurate as regards the laws of the land but the laws of the land are made up by the very people we are talking about , rich and powerful elites that are running the place with a charade of democracy and the vast majority of the people just parroting what they are fed by these kleptocrats. So my contention is that these are moral crimes and should be called out as moral crimes. It will be a cold day in Hell before these people voluntarily change the legal system that aids and abets their rape of the public coffers


I disagree here and think that there is a very effective indoctrination system functioning that conditions people to support and defend the system that actually ****s them over. To put it down to IQ levels doesn't ,imo , hold true as we see very intelligent people that are still unable to free themselves from the narratives that set the public debate and think critically for themselves. You only have to look at how many smart people still believe their own faction offers a meaningful shift



The first part for me starts with removing the view that we are the good guys doing good in a bad world. That starts with recognizing the wars being fought are actually crimes for the most part. And these ARE actual crimes as well as moral ones. Around a million people here ,myself included , marched against the 2003 illegal attack on Iraq and were ignored insomuch that it never stopped it from happening. It just confirmed again the elites contempt for democracy. I don't think you are being realistic in what you expect to happen. Sure you can list actions that would compel a reaction but you are , imo , underestimating just how good these people are at using the tried and tested means for divide and conquer and how the public are subject to an intense conditioning.

Just look at how Snowden's releases have been received by the same people you believe will commit to overthrowing the established order. Or Assange. Or Manning . People are conditioned to despise these people and any that try to overthrow the existing order.

I don't see myself as an activist Roddy. I see myself as a commentator on what I observe to be the true face of the situations I see and the events that have and will occur during my time here on earth. That doesn't make me any less real than people that are fully politically active and in search of change whatever direction they see needs to be changed. It just means they are focused and committed and I am not. I think the boat has sailed for the world we both seem to want and our own extinction by our own hand is all but certain.

You seem to have hope where I don't. If there is a positive comment to make it is that I think progress is definitely happening , with set backs too , but that it is occurring and such a slow pace the above scenario is the only finishing line I see for the human race .

Sorry if that's negative but it's what I think
 
Fledermaus said:
What does "national elite worshipper" mean to those of us that are adults?
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It means you repeat what they tell you and have a diminished capacity to think about things critically for yourself as a result
 
oneworld2 said:
It means you repeat what they tell you and have a diminished capacity to think about things critically for yourself as a result
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I would reserve the "diminished capacity to think about things critically" to those mindlessly posting talking points, platitudes, and ignorant statements....

In other words you.
 
And now it's time for a musical interlude:



Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus said:
I would reserve the "diminished capacity to think about things critically" to those mindlessly posting talking points, platitudes, and ignorant statements....

In other words you.
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If you can't stand the answers , don't ask the questions. Easy really .
 
May 11, 2018

Corporate welfare and the gullible governments that pay it

Ottawa and Ontario just gave Toyota $220 million for something it likely would have done anyway. Governments need to wise up.

Last week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne visited a Toyota plant to announce they were contributing $220 million towards a $1.4 billion investment by the company to create some 450 jobs (which works out to an eye-popping $488,888 subsidy per job.)

The justification for such gifts is familiar: taxpayers ‘need’ to provide these kinds of ‘incentives’ for Toyota, lest it take its plant and jobs elsewhere. We’re supposed to believe that Toyota—which five days later announced a record global profit of $29 billion—was prepared to abandon a Canadian plant in which it had already invested billions of its own money, and was readying to put in a billion more, unless our pliable politicians ponied up the pork.
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Corporate welfare and the gullible governments that pay it - Macleans.ca




And a couple or so years from now, we'll be cursing Toyota for announcing they're moving out anyway?
GM all over again?
 
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