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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The two biggest promises he made are out of his control

    Scrap the carbon tax and a federal one would be imposed. The spending commitments (which includes LRT in Calgary) that are backed by the provincial carbon tax would need new sources of revenue, the federal tax would be rebated to lower income Albertans, and not available to the provincial government.

    The pipelines are stalled because of courts in other provinces, and Keystone in the US by US courts. Kenny will have zero control over those things.

    Cutting taxes is likely impossible given the deficit in Alberta is huge $10 billion a year. Cutting taxes in any meaningful way would see that go even higher. Cutting health care, or education will see the UCP lose the next election (he could freeze spending levels). So the deficit without a massive spike in the price of oil the deficit is not going away in less than 4 years


    So three of his top four promises will be broken and the strains between rural and urban center right UCP members will spike. Which was the reason for the split in Alberta conservatives in the first place
    I suspect that he would prefer the issues rather than solutions at first, but Canadian politics is not my strong suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I suspect that he would prefer the issues rather than solutions at first, but Canadian politics is not my strong suit.
    The issues are in large part the promises he made

    Unemployment is high due to lack of pipelines causing low prices for Alberta oil. That is reducing Alberta government revenues, causing the high deficit (both through taxes and royalty payments.

    I doubt the population will be very patient in Alberta, nor will they be forgiving. They want health care and education and low taxes. Without high oil prices they can not get it
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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    First time I heard the phrase 'have-not province' it was Albertans making their case for equalization payments. When they started to rake in the revenues of the oil boom-times and Trudeau 1.0 said Canada needs a National Energy Policy so maritimers who heat with oil didn't have to pay world-market prices half the bumpers in Alberta had stickers that said, "Let them freeze in the dark!"
    But any talk of separatism in Alberta is beyond ridiculous and Albertans know it.
    When Sneaky Pete was in power, there was a movement for "The Republic of Western Canada" where BC, AB, SK and MB wanted to separate and form their own country.
    I remember people talking about it the first time I visited Canada in 1981.

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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    When Sneaky Pete was in power, there was a movement for "The Republic of Western Canada" where BC, AB, SK and MB wanted to separate and form their own country.
    I remember people talking about it the first time I visited Canada in 1981.
    I remember those lunatics. The only thing they actually accomplished was to announce that they existed. Maybe they printed T-shirts. Nothing beyond that. Movement? Well, I'll resist that temptation.
    There's another lunatic group talking about 'Cascadia', B.C. and Washington state and Oregon and northern California forming a nation. Hell, Sarah Palin and her husband supported an Alaska separation 'movement'. There's no shortage of those nutbars.
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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAdonis View Post
    Record-breaking number of votes cast at Alberta election advance polls | Globalnews.ca

    Looks like all the Bubbas and Jim Bobs in Alberta are butthurt that they're not allowed to destroy the environment with their pipelines, so they're going to try and leave Canada. I expect Trump to make them the 51st state to add another red state for his reelection.
    Don't like selling resources? Okay, tell us how we can get by on a 30-cent US dollar. You like Greens? Please take Andrew Weaver off our hands out here in BC.


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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Why would we ever do that? All you do is antagonize and insult the rest of Canada with the exception of your buddy Saskatchewan. You want to force the pipeline on other provinces without consulting them or their people in any way. Maybe try raising taxes and investing in alternative industries to oil, be less reliant on oil or actually cooperate with the other provinces.
    Why are Quebecers being a-holes about a pipeline? Do you think you're saving the planet? There is so much oil and natural gas in the world that we'll never burn more than a fraction of it before we have to get energy from other sources. Alberta may as well get something out of the end of the oil age.


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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Get what right? After generations of drawing equalization payments like welfare bums Alberta suddenly realizes they had the intelligence and foresight to hide oil under those dirt-poor farms and tar-paper shacks and now resents having to contribute to the rest of the country?
    Are you even a Canadian? Alberta has been contributing equilization payments for decades, not taking yhem.



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    Alberta Introduces Carbon Tax Repeal Bill

    From OILPRICE By Irina Slav – May 23, 2019, 9:30 AM CDT Staying true to their promise from the campaign trail, Alberta’s Conservatives have introduced a bill to repeal a carbon tax introduced by their predecessors at the helm of the province, the New Democratic Party. Reuters reports that the repealment of the carbon tax…
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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
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    Alberta Introduces Carbon Tax Repeal Bill

    [FONT="]From OILPRICE By Irina Slav – May 23, 2019, 9:30 AM CDT Staying true to their promise from the campaign trail, Alberta’s Conservatives have introduced a bill to repeal a carbon tax introduced by their predecessors at the helm of the province, the New Democratic Party. Reuters reports that the repealment of the carbon tax…
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    Idiotic move from an Alberta standpoint

    The minute Alberta drops its Carbon tax, the federal one kicks in. The revenue from the provincial carbon tax went to the Alberta government for spending as it saw fit. Now it will be spent as the federal government desires, with most coming back to Alberta as a rebate to lower income families. A smarter move would have been to lower the Alberta one to the same level as the feds, and then try to challenge the carbon tax.

    Now the federal carbon tax has been ruled as valid in Sask, by its top court, and the Alberta challenge will fail as well. But now the Alberta government will not have as much revenue as before, leading to higher deficits.

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    Re: Albertexit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Idiotic move from an Alberta standpoint

    The minute Alberta drops its Carbon tax, the federal one kicks in. The revenue from the provincial carbon tax went to the Alberta government for spending as it saw fit. Now it will be spent as the federal government desires, with most coming back to Alberta as a rebate to lower income families. A smarter move would have been to lower the Alberta one to the same level as the feds, and then try to challenge the carbon tax.

    Now the federal carbon tax has been ruled as valid in Sask, by its top court, and the Alberta challenge will fail as well. But now the Alberta government will not have as much revenue as before, leading to higher deficits.

    Ideology before intelligent policy
    Perhaps they would rather have the issue than the revenue?
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