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Canadian Election 2019

I really don't see what all the fuss about the carbon tax is. The four provinces where the tax is being imposed brought it upon themselves by refusing to draw up their own emission reduction plans which would meet the standards set out by the Federal Government, based on international committments which Canada has signed onto like the Paris Accords. The four affected provinces need only draw up their own plans meeting the standards set out and the tax goes away. Perhaps the four provinces are using the Carbon tax as a political football rather than considering the best interests of their citizens? The tax is revenue neutral and will be rebated to Canadians or spent realising the provincial plans of cooperating provinces.

Canada to impose carbon tax on provinces bucking climate action

Canada imposes carbon tax on four provinces with no climate plans

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Carjosse said:
Social conservatism did come up, especially as the UCP had a ludicrous number of candidates forced to resign for being social conservatives and some that even got elected. There were a lot of election issues around social policies like supporting GSAs but is Alberta so social conservatism doe snot matter. Social conservatism makes you unelectable outside of the prairies, Harper knew that, Scheer knows that. Why do you think that both Harper, Scheer, and most other Western Conservatives traditionally shy away from social issues? Because they know social conservatism is death sentence if they do. The party as a whole has even tried to distance itself from it. Kenney made his career by being a social conservative, he cannot escape it no matter how much he can try, and like I said he is now hated outside of the West. Scheer is struggling to distance himself from the social conservatives and he was never strongly associated with them. Social conservative policies remove all paths to victory for the Conservatives.

All Alberta cares that they have a Conservative government in power in the the province they do not care about anything else. If they cared about the economy they would have voted for the party trying to diversify and makes Alberta's economy more sustainable. Also it is Alberta, they tolerate social conservatism. To them all problems are caused by the Liberals and NDP, they have chosen to learn the hard way.




A right-leaning newspaper using a survey conducted by a right-leaning polling firm says that Canadians want pipelines except Quebec so they can attack it? How convenient. What exactly do you want Trudeau to do? How exactly is the Trudeau government being unfair? It is a provincial issue, maybe if Alberta didn't antagonize Quebec and BC they might be able to help get them built. Give them something for it, maybe share royalties with them, give them something they can use to sell it to the public. Believe it or not just do it for the sole economic benefit of Alberta is not a good reason for those outside of Alberta.

I know you are a fan of Trump's negotiation tactics, that is what Quebec is doing to Alberta.
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There were also lots of talk about supremacists!

Whatever brouhaha happened along the way to election night.......

............the bottomline: in the end, social conservatism did not matter at all!
Kenney's majority - STRONG MAJORITY - attests to that.

Angry Albertans were fixated on the pipelines and economy! They want someone to go head-to-head with Trudeau!




Never mind raising the Trump card. If you haven't noticed, Kenny's doing a Trump, too!
Who isn't? :lol:

Look at Trudeau! Lol.
Don't you see the parallel with Trump when it comes to the SNC-Lavalin (from your leftist point of view)? Let's not even bring up his copycat-tweeting.
What do you think meddling with the prosecution on SNC-Lavalin is all about?
What Comey is to Trump, Raybould is to Trudeau!
But Trudeau also shut down the Justice and Ethics investigation into it!
OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE rings a bell? :mrgreen:
 
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Regarding Pipelines:

Why must BC allow pipelines to be built across its territory against its government's will? Isn't building transportation infrastructure a provincial jurisdiction? Alberta and BC must settle their differences and then both must win over affected First Nations communities to get the pipeline deal done. Then it will get built with Federal aid. That's how it's supposed to work.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Grand Mal said:
First, bad as SNC-Lavalin is (and it's made me decide not to vote in the next election) it does not say that Trudeau doesn't care about jobs outside of Quebec. Why do you think the little bastard bought a pipeline?
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Yes, exactly!

Why did that little bastard have to waste taxpayers billions of dollars buying that old pipeline.....

........when we could've gotten what we wanted for FREE?



Lol.
He's running Canada to the ground much the same way his bosom buddy Wynn, did to Ontario!
 
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tosca1 said:
Yes, exactly!

Why did that little bastard have to waste taxpayers billions of dollars buying that old pipeline.....

........when we could've gotten what we wanted for FREE?



Lol.
He's running Canada to the ground much the same way his bosom buddy Wynn, did to Ontario!
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Don't know anything about Wynn but I'm sure not happy about Trudeau. I had my doubts about him from the get-go and almost sat out the election, being either a Liberal voter or a no-show. I'll sit out the next one unless bth Trudeau and Morneau are out of cabinet. Best thing the Liberals could do now is announce a leadership convention and invite Judy Wilson-Raybould back in so she can run in it.
Or dust off Jean Chretien and prop him up in front of the voters. He could drop dead during the campaign and still win the election going by the slate of alternatives we're being presented with.
 
Evilroddy said:
Regarding Pipelines:

Why must BC allow pipelines to be built across its territory against its government's will? Isn't building transportation infrastructure a provincial jurisdiction? Alberta and BC must settle their differences and then both must win over affected First Nations communities to get the pipeline deal done. Then it will get built with Federal aid. That's how it's supposed to work.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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The oil will be moved to market. Pipeline or rail. You pick.
One problem, maybe the problem, is the lack of refinery capacity not only in Canada but in the world. It's enormously expensive to build a refinery and the big players have doubts about there being enough years left to recoup the investment before the bottom falls out.
What we're seeing here might be the slow death of an industry that's clinging to life support.
 
Grand Mal said:
Best thing the Liberals could do now is announce a leadership convention and invite Judy Wilson-Raybould back in so she can run in it.
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How would Freeland like that?

I hope not.
The best thing for Conservatives............ is to have Trudeau running for re-election!
And for Raybould and Philpott to run as independents (if they're still interested).
 
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tosca1 said:
How would Freeland like that?

I hope not.
The best thing for Conservatives............ is to have Trudeau running for re-election!
And for Raybould and Philpott to run as independents (if they're still interested).
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Bdst for Conservatives maybe but like I always say, better a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Conservative Party.
 
Grand Mal said:
Bdst for Conservatives maybe but like I always say, better a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in the Conservative Party.
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Not sure why a Canuck would have reason to be so hardened about either if the 2 main parties.

After about 2 minutes of thought, I think the Conservatives will win.
I think the NDP has effectively shot themselves in the foot, and the Liberals will likely carry BC, Quebec and maybe 1 Atlantic province.
Its time for the nation to pull together and take care of CANADA! Maybe some nice rainbow coloured hats that say, "Make Canada Whole Again".
That would be cute...:mrgreen:
 
Buzz62 said:
Not sure why a Canuck would have reason to be so hardened about either if the 2 main parties.

After about 2 minutes of thought, I think the Conservatives will win.
I think the NDP has effectively shot themselves in the foot, and the Liberals will likely carry BC, Quebec and maybe 1 Atlantic province.
Its time for the nation to pull together and take care of CANADA! Maybe some nice rainbow coloured hats that say, "Make Canada Whole Again".
That would be cute...:mrgreen:
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I'm allergic to the word 'conservative'. Just saying it make me twitch and break out in a rash.
Federally, the NDP is just falling back into their natural role, JiminyCricket on the shoulder of the governing party. They had heady days when Michael Ignatieff soured the traditional Quebecois loyalty to the Liberals but that was then.
The Liberals ain't so popular in BC. Between buying a pipeline- and I'm in favour of pipelines but can't understand why my government bought one- and crapping on a pretty popular MP from Vancouver-Granville, Trudeau isn't the flavour of the month out here. But he might be seen as the best of a bad lot and get the benefit of a low voter turnout, we'll see.
And if someone would explain to me what Andrew Sheer has that would make anyone vote Conservative, I'll thank them. He just came off sounding shrill and over-the-top insisting that the RCMP get involved when it came out that Trudeau tried to influence the Attorny-General's office.

And please, less of the Trumpian rhetoric. Make Canada Whole Again my pink ass. Don't get that started- I've got nowhere to go from here.
 
I don't usually vote strategically, but I'll be voting Liberal only to stop the Conservatives. They are all neo-cons now and after what Harper did to this country I don't want to see more of his cronies come to power. In general though I am fairly disillusioned with Canadian politics. I am tired of the greed, corruption, cronyism and lack of integrity. That said, I don't find the Lavalin Laval scandal very compelling, just like I didn't find the sponsorship scandal very compelling last time. The media and the opposition turned mole hills into mountains.

I'd vote NDP if they stood a chance of winning but they don't.

My hope is that liberal voters don't compromise the election like they usually do by either sitting out or splitting the vote in hopes the NDP will gain power. The sitting out thing is not noble because it hands power to a way worse party, and voting for the NDP is a waste of votes.
 
Grand Mal said:
I'm allergic to the word 'conservative'. Just saying it make me twitch and break out in a rash.
Federally, the NDP is just falling back into their natural role, JiminyCricket on the shoulder of the governing party. They had heady days when Michael Ignatieff soured the traditional Quebecois loyalty to the Liberals but that was then.
The Liberals ain't so popular in BC. Between buying a pipeline- and I'm in favour of pipelines but can't understand why my government bought one- and crapping on a pretty popular MP from Vancouver-Granville, Trudeau isn't the flavour of the month out here. But he might be seen as the best of a bad lot and get the benefit of a low voter turnout, we'll see.
And if someone would explain to me what Andrew Sheer has that would make anyone vote Conservative, I'll thank them. He just came off sounding shrill and over-the-top insisting that the RCMP get involved when it came out that Trudeau tried to influence the Attorny-General's office.

And please, less of the Trumpian rhetoric. Make Canada Whole Again my pink ass. Don't get that started- I've got nowhere to go from here.
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Ya I thought you'd get a charge outta that one. :mrgreen:

Sheer was a bad choice IMO. The Conservatives need someone with fire in their belly. Not Cream of Wheat.
But I simply have lost any confidence I had in Justin, a long time ago.
And I refuse to NOT vote.
 
Buzz62 said:
Ya I thought you'd get a charge outta that one. :mrgreen:

Sheer was a bad choice IMO. The Conservatives need someone with fire in their belly. Not Cream of Wheat.
But I simply have lost any confidence I had in Justin, a long time ago.
And I refuse to NOT vote.
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Not voting is what I do when the Liberals piss me off. Except for that year when Trudeau 1.0 flipped the finger to voters outside his train window in Salmon Arm, BC- then I voted Rhinoceros Party. I nearly sat out the last one because I wasn't sure about Trudeau Lite but the Conservative ads annoyed me so I dragged myself to the school and put an 'X' beside whichever Liberal lost to the NDP, this riding being a lock for the socialist hordes.
I'll vote this fall if Trudeau and Morneau get the hook. Not unless.
 
Grand Mal said:
Not voting is what I do when the Liberals piss me off. Except for that year when Trudeau 1.0 flipped the finger to voters outside his train window in Salmon Arm, BC- then I voted Rhinoceros Party. I nearly sat out the last one because I wasn't sure about Trudeau Lite but the Conservative ads annoyed me so I dragged myself to the school and put an 'X' beside whichever Liberal lost to the NDP, this riding being a lock for the socialist hordes.
I'll vote this fall if Trudeau and Morneau get the hook. Not unless.
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I must advise you to make your mark. To Partake in democracy. Its still a privilege.

I wasn't involved with Trudeau 1.0 elections. However I liked and voted for Cretien. I liked Harper too.
I like strong, decisive leaders. As a lad, Trudeau 1.0 had captured my imagination a bit. I think he may have been the best politician Canada has ever had.

But I've watched on this last 20 some-odd years while Globalism has raped our great nation.
That Must End Now!
 
Buzz62 said:
I must advise you to make your mark. To Partake in democracy. Its still a privilege.

I wasn't involved with Trudeau 1.0 elections. However I liked and voted for Cretien. I liked Harper too.
I like strong, decisive leaders. As a lad, Trudeau 1.0 had captured my imagination a bit. I think he may have been the best politician Canada has ever had.

But I've watched on this last 20 some-odd years while Globalism has raped our great nation.
That Must End Now!
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Hoe exactly has "globalism" "raped" our nation?
 
Carjosse said:
Hoe exactly has "globalism" "raped" our nation?
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Have you called a HelpDesk lately? There's a good start. I'm sure you can chase down more pretty easily. :roll:
 
Buzz62 said:
Have you called a HelpDesk lately? There's a good start. I'm sure you can chase down more pretty easily. :roll:
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Just call the French one and you get someone in New Brunswick. That is the best example you got? You will have to do better than that.

It is a reality you have to deal with, the world economy is changing just like it did when the industrial revolution changed everything. You cannot stop globalization, whether you like it or not. We have markets for Canadian exports we could never have foreseen decades ago, we have a larger domestic market as well. People are working in industries and with technologies that didn't exist 20 years ago. How exactly do you plan to stop globalization?

Canada's problem is older people who are more than happy to throw the younger generation under the bus so they can benefit from things like massively inflated house prices or cut their own taxes.
 
Carjosse said:
Just call the French one and you get someone in New Brunswick. That is the best example you got? You will have to do better than that.

It is a reality you have to deal with, the world economy is changing just like it did when the industrial revolution changed everything. You cannot stop globalization, whether you like it or not. We have markets for Canadian exports we could never have foreseen decades ago, we have a larger domestic market as well. People are working in industries and with technologies that didn't exist 20 years ago. How exactly do you plan to stop globalization?

Canada's problem is older people who are more than happy to throw the younger generation under the bus so they can benefit from things like massively inflated house prices or cut their own taxes.
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Ah right I forgot. Excuse me. I should have known there's no way to offshore work that really has to be done in "Quebecois' language.

Yes well as I'm not a complete asshole...not TOTALLY anyway...I do get that eventually the world will continue this trend to globalism.
What I do not like, is that the Western Nations are footing the bill. I also don't like the idea that a culture and society of a nation or a region, need be sacrificed. I don't plan to stop the unstoppable. That would be like pissing into a windstorm. I plan to understand the game, and play it better than the others. To turn a negative into a positive...for my nation. Canada. And that would be my "plan" because that's what Nationalists tend to do.

Dude...I work architecting those technologies...please...:roll:

I'm not throwing my kids under any busses. Hell the li'l buggers are each gonna get a house. And then some maybe...I ain't done quite yet.
There's always a way. But I do have to admit that defeatist people, you know...people who complain endlessly about how hard life is gonna be for the darling Millennials and stuff like that...do make it easier for those who can make Lemon-aid from Lemons.

n'est pas?
 
Northern Light said:
I don't usually vote strategically, but I'll be voting Liberal only to stop the Conservatives. They are all neo-cons now and after what Harper did to this country I don't want to see more of his cronies come to power. In general though I am fairly disillusioned with Canadian politics. I am tired of the greed, corruption, cronyism and lack of integrity. That said, I don't find the Lavalin Laval scandal very compelling, just like I didn't find the sponsorship scandal very compelling last time. The media and the opposition turned mole hills into mountains.

I'd vote NDP if they stood a chance of winning but they don't.

My hope is that liberal voters don't compromise the election like they usually do by either sitting out or splitting the vote in hopes the NDP will gain power. The sitting out thing is not noble because it hands power to a way worse party, and voting for the NDP is a waste of votes.
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Just curious.....what did Harper do to Canada that to you seems the ultimate in evil for a leader?
 
Buzz62 said:
Ah right I forgot. Excuse me. I should have known there's no way to offshore work that really has to be done in "Quebecois' language.

Yes well as I'm not a complete asshole...not TOTALLY anyway...I do get that eventually the world will continue this trend to globalism.
What I do not like, is that the Western Nations are footing the bill. I also don't like the idea that a culture and society of a nation or a region, need be sacrificed. I don't plan to stop the unstoppable. That would be like pissing into a windstorm. I plan to understand the game, and play it better than the others. To turn a negative into a positive...for my nation. Canada. And that would be my "plan" because that's what Nationalists tend to do.

Dude...I work architecting those technologies...please...:roll:

I'm not throwing my kids under any busses. Hell the li'l buggers are each gonna get a house. And then some maybe...I ain't done quite yet.
There's always a way. But I do have to admit that defeatist people, you know...people who complain endlessly about how hard life is gonna be for the darling Millennials and stuff like that...do make it easier for those who can make Lemon-aid from Lemons.

n'est pas?
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We keep getting less for more. The problem is not with globalization but with people's reactions to it and refusal to change and consider any alternatives, everything must still be done the same way as if it was 1980. Instead of investing in new industries and education, we must double down on traditional industries and cut education. We need to make sure that the wealthy and corporations actually pay their fair share instead of just accumulating a larger and larger percentage of the wealth.
 
Northern Light said:
I don't usually vote strategically, but I'll be voting Liberal only to stop the Conservatives. They are all neo-cons now and after what Harper did to this country I don't want to see more of his cronies come to power. In general though I am fairly disillusioned with Canadian politics. I am tired of the greed, corruption, cronyism and lack of integrity. That said, I don't find the Lavalin Laval scandal very compelling, just like I didn't find the sponsorship scandal very compelling last time. The media and the opposition turned mole hills into mountains.

I'd vote NDP if they stood a chance of winning but they don't.

My hope is that liberal voters don't compromise the election like they usually do by either sitting out or splitting the vote in hopes the NDP will gain power. The sitting out thing is not noble because it hands power to a way worse party, and voting for the NDP is a waste of votes.
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Voting for the NDP is case by case; if they're dominant or competitive in your riding, a vote for them isn't exactly a throw away.

I do agree though that until they have a leader like Layton, Sanders or Corbyn, the NDP will probably not be competitive on the whole at the federal level; the party continues to be plagued by weak leadership since Jack's death.
 
Carjosse said:
We keep getting less for more. The problem is not with globalization but with people's reactions to it and refusal to change and consider any alternatives, everything must still be done the same way as if it was 1980. Instead of investing in new industries and education, we must double down on traditional industries and cut education. We need to make sure that the wealthy and corporations actually pay their fair share instead of just accumulating a larger and larger percentage of the wealth.
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You want to "cut" education funding???
I'm not sure how to respond to that idea...
 
Have you seen the new Conservative attack ad on Trudeau? :lol:



They showed it last night on Power Play - can't find it on youtube!
All the leftists' criticisms on Trump......you'd think it's about Trump!

Lol. What would Trudeau-loving-Trump-haters have to say now?
 
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