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Canada relieved trade deal done, won't forget Trump attacks

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The unprecedented attacks on America's closest ally left a bitter taste. But Canadians mostly feel relieved after reaching a new trade agreement with Trump. Many said it could have been a lot worse. Canada avoided auto tariffs and maintained access to the all-important American market.

The U.S. made few, if any concessions, while Canada provided more access to its dairy sector and allowed Washington to possibly prevent Canada from reaching a free trade deal with China. Canada also was not able to remove steel and aluminum tariffs.

"We were definitely over the barrel in this negotiation," said Peter MacKay, a former Canadian foreign minister. "We have survived it. We have survived the 14 roller coaster months of a very unpredictable president."

The U.S. also pressured Canada and Mexico to raise the duty-free limit on imported goods. Canada, for instance, will allow tax- and duty-free shipments worth up to 40 Canadian dollars (about $31), up from 20 Canadian dollars ($16) under NAFTA. The U.S. wanted a higher figure. Store owners like Larry Rosen, chief executive of men's clothing chain Harry Rosen, feared it would drive customers to larger U.S.-based online competitors.

"I am relieved," Rosen said. "It could have been much worse."

Like many other Canadians, Rosen feels Canada hasn't been treated with respect, referring to the personal attacks and steel exports that are still subject to U.S. tariffs over what Trump calls national security concerns.

"I am a Canadian. I am polite and respectful. Even when I'm dealing with a hard business issue I don't belittle people, I don't insult them," Rosen said. "As a Canadian, the whole approach that has been taken (by the U.S.) has been offensive and I don't think Canadians will forget it."

Canada relieved trade deal done, won't forget Trump attacks | Boston Herald

Boo hoo hoo. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:Cry baby Canadians.

Canadians are claiming Trump was disrespectul however, what about Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland attending a panel where Trump was called a tyrant?

It was last week that Freeland, Canada’s foreign affairs minister and chief NAFTA negotiator, appeared on stage in Toronto for a panel discussion on dealing with tyrants. The panel was introduced with a video that compared Donald Trump to China’s Xi Jinping, an actual dictator, and Russia’s Vladimir Putin, a man known to jail or kill his opponents.

“Who thought her going on this panel was a good idea?” asked a second source.

The panel was part of a women’s conference in Toronto where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also appeared as a speaker.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-white-house-not-amused-with-freelands-tyrant-antics

I'd suggest Canada can this Freeland character:

This isn’t the first slip up for Freeland who this past June went to Washington to accept an award as “Diplomat of the Year.” In her speech Freeland made the undiplomatic move of criticizing Trump’s foreign and domestic policies in his own backyard.

That speech reportedly had Freeland banned from the White House and meeting with officials there.

Freeland made headlines back in Canada for her choice of attire. She was spotted leaving Reagan National Airport wearing a T-shirt that said, “Keep calm and negotiate NAFTA” on the back. On the front it said, “Mama is not chopped liver.”

You would think Canada would have officials that would want to work their neighbors up north. Not openly mock the president.
 
For this and about 50 other reasons Trudeau is getting close to becoming a joke.

He is an empty suit, something that the smart people have known all along but at this rate the clods are going to figure it out.
 
Canada relieved trade deal done, won't forget Trump attacks | Boston Herald

Boo hoo hoo. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:Cry baby Canadians.

What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that this USMCA isn't the end. The relief the Canadian people feel is akin to the frog that managed to get out of the pot of hot water by jumping into a pot of slightly less hot water. Yes, the frog is relieved, but the water temp is going to rise.

The USMCA, by way of upcoming side letters, will force Canada to abandon their practice of buying cheap Asian components and assembling and selling products to the US market. Canada will be forced to actually build those products.

Be prepared for more crying from the Canadians.

Canadians are claiming Trump was disrespectul however, what about Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland attending a panel where Trump was called a tyrant?



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-white-house-not-amused-with-freelands-tyrant-antics

I'd suggest Canada can this Freeland character:



You would think Canada would have officials that would want to work their neighbors up north. Not openly mock the president.

Freeland is good at supporting the Trudeau administration's anti-Trump narrative. She's not going anywhere...unless the Canadians get rid of Trudeau.
 
Canada relieved trade deal done, won't forget Trump attacks | Boston Herald

Boo hoo hoo. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:Cry baby Canadians.

Canadians are claiming Trump was disrespectul however, what about Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland attending a panel where Trump was called a tyrant?



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-white-house-not-amused-with-freelands-tyrant-antics

I'd suggest Canada can this Freeland character:



You would think Canada would have officials that would want to work their neighbors up north. Not openly mock the president.

The problem is that what Trump ..."got" from this deal is not worthy of a claim of a total re-work of NAFTA.

Trump could have achieved the same results without killing the term NAFTA. I understand why he did...but it wasn't necessary.

Trade is an ongoing process. We, the US, can not rename our trade agreements every time a new deal is struck. Trump has his "trade deal" that does little more that open the US's massive dairy market to small Canada.

Trump wins in the "Optics" war.
 
Canada relieved trade deal done, won't forget Trump attacks | Boston Herald

Boo hoo hoo. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:Cry baby Canadians.

Canadians are claiming Trump was disrespectul however, what about Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland attending a panel where Trump was called a tyrant?



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-white-house-not-amused-with-freelands-tyrant-antics

I'd suggest Canada can this Freeland character:



You would think Canada would have officials that would want to work their neighbors up north. Not openly mock the president.

The problem is that what Trump ..."got" from this deal is not worthy of a claim of a total re-work of NAFTA.

Trump could have achieved the same results without killing the term NAFTA. I understand why he did...but it wasn't necessary.

Trade is an ongoing process. We, the US, can not rename our trade agreements every time a new deal is struck. Trump has his "trade deal" that does little more that open the US's massive dairy market to small Canada.

Trump wins in the "Optics" war.
 
The problem is that what Trump ..."got" from this deal is not worthy of a claim of a total re-work of NAFTA.

Trump could have achieved the same results without killing the term NAFTA. I understand why he did...but it wasn't necessary.

Trade is an ongoing process. We, the US, can not rename our trade agreements every time a new deal is struck. Trump has his "trade deal" that does little more that open the US's massive dairy market to small Canada.

Trump wins in the "Optics" war.

Trump has always been about renegotiating NAFTA...not totally reworking NAFTA. But he has always been prepared to dump NAFTA, if necessary. By renegotiating with Mexico alone, Trump essentially forced Canada to join in the renegotiations they had been resisting for a year. The results of the USMCA COULD have been achieved much earlier...if Canada hadn't engaged in that resistance.

But yes, changing the name from NAFTA to USMCA wasn't required...it was a political move.

btw, the USMCA does much more than deal with the dairy market. You can find a series of fact sheets from the USTR that explain various parts of the deal here: https://ustr.gov
 
Canada relieved trade deal done, won't forget Trump attacks | Boston Herald

Boo hoo hoo. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:Cry baby Canadians.

Canadians are claiming Trump was disrespectul however, what about Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland attending a panel where Trump was called a tyrant?



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-white-house-not-amused-with-freelands-tyrant-antics

I'd suggest Canada can this Freeland character:



You would think Canada would have officials that would want to work their neighbors up north. Not openly mock the president.

Trump shows us no respect, so why should we show him any? Freeland is well liked here by both sides of the political spectrum, due to this and her stance on Saudi Arabia. Peter Mackay, the one they quote in your first article was the minister of foreign affairs under Harper and he approves. Trump is actually helping Trudeau, Trump's aggressiveness towards Canada just made people rally in support of Trudeau and the Liberals, it was an amazing gift to Trudeau's poll numbers.
 
Trump shows us no respect, so why should we show him any? Freeland is well liked here by both sides of the political spectrum, due to this and her stance on Saudi Arabia. Peter Mackay, the one they quote in your first article was the minister of foreign affairs under Harper and he approves. Trump is actually helping Trudeau, Trump's aggressiveness towards Canada just made people rally in support of Trudeau and the Liberals, it was an amazing gift to Trudeau's poll numbers.

The PM of Canada has no style or class. He wears odd argyle socks... very odd fashion sense. His trolling of president Trump by giving him a picture of his grandfather's hotel in Canada will not be forgotten.
 
The PM of Canada has no style or class. He wears odd argyle socks... very odd fashion sense. His trolling of president Trump by giving him a picture of his grandfather's hotel in Canada will not be forgotten.

So your criticism of Trudeau is he wears multi-coloured socks? Do you have any real points? Our prime minister actually knows what being a leader of a nation means.
 
So your criticism of Trudeau is he wears multi-coloured socks? Do you have any real points? Our prime minister actually knows what being a leader of a nation means.

I asked this to other Canadians and didn't get a valid response.

Since becoming PM, what has Trudeau done besides praising Fidel Castro? Can you point to any specifics of wins for Trudeau?
 
I asked this to other Canadians and didn't get a valid response.

Since becoming PM, what has Trudeau done besides praising Fidel Castro? Can you point to any specifics of wins for Trudeau?

Unemployment rate has decreased, GDP growth has increased, instituted tax reforms, added protection for rights of LGBT individuals, and others can be found at this handy website.
 
For this and about 50 other reasons Trudeau is getting close to becoming a joke.

He is an empty suit, something that the smart people have known all along but at this rate the clods are going to figure it out.

Theres not many clods in Montreal/Papineau. Its got to be one of the most diverse districts in Montreal and they're the only ones who elected Justin Trudeau.
 
Canada relieved trade deal done, won't forget Trump attacks | Boston Herald

Boo hoo hoo. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:Cry baby Canadians.

Canadians are claiming Trump was disrespectul however, what about Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland attending a panel where Trump was called a tyrant?



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-white-house-not-amused-with-freelands-tyrant-antics

I'd suggest Canada can this Freeland character:



You would think Canada would have officials that would want to work their neighbors up north. Not openly mock the president.

Canada's constant whining in this is embarrassing.

It's like a rookie up from Single A complaining that the bad, mean pitcher is throwing stuff he can't hit.

If you can't complete, then just accept it and get the Hell out. if you can compete, then shut up and hit the ball.
 
Trump shows us no respect, so why should we show him any? Freeland is well liked here by both sides of the political spectrum, due to this and her stance on Saudi Arabia. Peter Mackay, the one they quote in your first article was the minister of foreign affairs under Harper and he approves. Trump is actually helping Trudeau, Trump's aggressiveness towards Canada just made people rally in support of Trudeau and the Liberals, it was an amazing gift to Trudeau's poll numbers.

That is one part of Trump's success. He want's everyone to win.

That is the secret of the success of Capitalism and all successful Capitalists. Everyone gets what they want, everyone says, "Thank you!", shakes hands and gets on with it.

Self interest is a powerful regulator.

Everyone knows that Trump is out for his own benefit and the benefit for those he represents. In any other pursuit, this would make him pretty predictable. In politics, not so much.

The political elites and the pundits who are observing and misunderstanding so monumentally are perplexed by his actions. The obvious stupidity they reveal with every written and spoken word should undermine their credibility.

They continue to be seen and heard as the elites. Go figure...
 
That is one part of Trump's success. He want's everyone to win.

That is the secret of the success of Capitalism and all successful Capitalists. Everyone gets what they want, everyone says, "Thank you!", shakes hands and gets on with it.

Self interest is a powerful regulator.

Everyone knows that Trump is out for his own benefit and the benefit for those he represents. In any other pursuit, this would make him pretty predictable. In politics, not so much.

The political elites and the pundits who are observing and misunderstanding so monumentally are perplexed by his actions. The obvious stupidity they reveal with every written and spoken word should undermine their credibility.

They continue to be seen and heard as the elites. Go figure...

Trump does not understand the fact that everyone should win, to him if someone gets something that means he loses, he does not believe that things can be mutually beneficial. That is not how negotiation and diplomacy works. International relations is not the boardroom.

Trump has turned America's closet ally against them.
 
Trump does not understand the fact that everyone should win, to him if someone gets something that means he loses, he does not believe that things can be mutually beneficial. That is not how negotiation and diplomacy works. International relations is not the boardroom.

Trump has turned America's closet ally against them.

I see you didn't understand a single word the I wrote or a single thing that Trump has done.

It's mystifying to me that a person can understand as little as you do and be so secure in his opinion.
 
I see you didn't understand a single word the I wrote or a single thing that Trump has done.

It's mystifying to me that a person can understand as little as you do and be so secure in his opinion.

Have you ever seen anything Trump has ever said, especially on Twitter? He has a very simplistic world view and a very winner-takes-all attitude towards negotiation. He does not want everyone to win, he has said multiple times he does not.
 
Have you ever seen anything Trump has ever said, especially on Twitter? He has a very simplistic world view and a very winner-takes-all attitude towards negotiation. He does not want everyone to win, he has said multiple times he does not.

Winner take all is not what a Capitalist does. Trump is a Capitalist. If you have ever sold anything, like your own labor, or purchased anything, like food, you, too, are a Capitalist.

A legally recognized deal is based on three things: Offer, Acceptance and Consideration. Whether you're trying to sell a loaf of bread, a lawn mowing service or an international trade deal, there are offer, acceptance and consideration.

Trump sees trading partners. You see commercial opponents. This may be why you don't seem understand anything that he is doing or saying.

Can you offer even one example of Trump completing a winner-take-all negotiation agreement with anyone?

Can you link to the quote you seem to think exists of Trump saying that he does not want everyone to win?
 
What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that this USMCA isn't the end. The relief the Canadian people feel is akin to the frog that managed to get out of the pot of hot water by jumping into a pot of slightly less hot water. Yes, the frog is relieved, but the water temp is going to rise.

The USMCA, by way of upcoming side letters, will force Canada to abandon their practice of buying cheap Asian components and assembling and selling products to the US market. Canada will be forced to actually build those products.

Be prepared for more crying from the Canadians.



Freeland is good at supporting the Trudeau administration's anti-Trump narrative. She's not going anywhere...unless the Canadians get rid of Trudeau.

I bet you cannot prove that Canada was working with China to dump massive amounts of steel into the US, because you have no proof besides one BS article from a super biased website like conservative tree house.

And as usual you want absolute respect for US sovereignty, but you want the US to use tariffs to tell them who should run their government. Conservative hypocrisy at its finest.

I bet you will accuse me ''crying'' next post, because that is your default response when you have no factual arguments and have to resort to personal insults. What did conservative tree house have to give you that argument or is it so bad, you had come up with it on your own.

Maybe the US should turn to someone else, if it ever faces a situation where the Canadians helped in the past, like Operation Yellow Ribbon and Canadian Caper, I bet you do not know what those are, because conservative tree house does not talk about them.
 
Canada's constant whining in this is embarrassing.

It's like a rookie up from Single A complaining that the bad, mean pitcher is throwing stuff he can't hit.

If you can't complete, then just accept it and get the Hell out. if you can compete, then shut up and hit the ball.

Compete in what way? Canada and the US are different countries with different economic circumstances, the US is more powerful due to a higher population and not having a country that is half tundra.

Trump was the one who whined about Canada being unfair and insulted Canada at every turn, he got his deal, but I do not think Canada should forget these insults and frankly maybe Canada should stop doing the US favors, like the Operation Yellow Ribbon and the Canadian Caper, if you guys take Canada for granted. This is not whining, its just a fact if you insult someone, they will likely remember it.

What does ''accept it and get the Hell out'', mean? How does that apply to a country?
 
Winner take all is not what a Capitalist does. Trump is a Capitalist. If you have ever sold anything, like your own labor, or purchased anything, like food, you, too, are a Capitalist.

A legally recognized deal is based on three things: Offer, Acceptance and Consideration. Whether you're trying to sell a loaf of bread, a lawn mowing service or an international trade deal, there are offer, acceptance and consideration.

Trump sees trading partners. You see commercial opponents. This may be why you don't seem understand anything that he is doing or saying.

Can you offer even one example of Trump completing a winner-take-all negotiation agreement with anyone?

Can you link to the quote you seem to think exists of Trump saying that he does not want everyone to win?

So how is threatening Canada with tariffs a fair negotiating tactic? When are those steel tariffs going to go away? And what about US lumber tariffs and dairy subsides?

American conservatives assume they are only patriotic people in the world, but there are people in other countries just as patriotic as you and do not like having the US push them around.
 
I bet you cannot prove that Canada was working with China to dump massive amounts of steel into the US, because you have no proof besides one BS article from a super biased website like conservative tree house.

And as usual you want absolute respect for US sovereignty, but you want the US to use tariffs to tell them who should run their government. Conservative hypocrisy at its finest.

I bet you will accuse me ''crying'' next post, because that is your default response when you have no factual arguments and have to resort to personal insults. What did conservative tree house have to give you that argument or is it so bad, you had come up with it on your own.

Maybe the US should turn to someone else, if it ever faces a situation where the Canadians helped in the past, like Operation Yellow Ribbon and Canadian Caper, I bet you do not know what those are, because conservative tree house does not talk about them.

Strawmen and lies...

1. "massive amounts of steel"?? Perhaps you should learn to read. I said, "buying cheap Asian components and assembling and selling products to the US market". This allowed those Asian companies to skirt US tariffs.

2. "use tariffs to tell them who should run their government"?? When has Trump ever told Canadians who should run their government? Answer: Never.

Irrelevance...

1. "like Operation Yellow Ribbon and Canadian Caper"?? What, exactly, do these have to do with international trade? Answer: Nothing.

But yeah...you ARE crying, aren't you? For sure, you haven't addressed anything in my post.
 
Strawmen and lies...

1. "massive amounts of steel"?? Perhaps you should learn to read. I said, "buying cheap Asian components and assembling and selling products to the US market". This allowed those Asian companies to skirt US tariffs.

2. "use tariffs to tell them who should run their government"?? When has Trump ever told Canadians who should run their government? Answer: Never.

Irrelevance...

1. "like Operation Yellow Ribbon and Canadian Caper"?? What, exactly, do these have to do with international trade? Answer: Nothing.

But yeah...you ARE crying, aren't you? For sure, you haven't addressed anything in my post.

You talk about crying all the time, because you have no factual arguments and have to rely on insults. You do not know me, you have no way to determine my emotions, all this "stop crying" stuff is BS on your part. Every time you use that phrase, it means you have nothing. You have one of the biggest victim complexes I have seen, you have no basis to determine someone else's emotional outlook, because you are completely lacking in self awareness and allow your hubris to blind you to facts you do not like. Take your pop psychology else where or do something to earn your hubris, rather then just mindlessly repeating conservative tree house talking points. You project your flaws on to others.

How much cheap steel did Canada get from Asia? What are your stats to back up your claims? Do you have percentages or are you making stuff up?

And you said these tariffs should remain in place as long as Trudeau or Freeland remain in place, I am accusing you of a double standard and being a hypocrite, not Trump.

And this thread is about Canadians thinking the US is not a real friend to Canada after this needlessly nasty trade process, so talking about Operation Yellow Ribbon and the Canadian Caper is on topic.
 
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"wont forget Trumps attacks"

:lamo

Ya know...not to sound insensitive...but why does anyone form Canada think we give a **** about their opinions? Seriously..I'm not trying to be rude, but for some reason there seems to be a bunch of Canadians that are very invested in posting on US affairs...but are there similar sites in Canada and do Americans often go on those site and comment on them? From what I can tell...even on this site...the only time anyone cares about the goings on in Canada is when someone tries to compare us.
 
Canada's constant whining in this is embarrassing.

It's like a rookie up from Single A complaining that the bad, mean pitcher is throwing stuff he can't hit.

If you can't complete, then just accept it and get the Hell out. if you can compete, then shut up and hit the ball.

Thought we'd been taking your lunch money for years. What was all that, "Canada as been treating us very badly for a long time!" if not whining?
It's not over yet, either. By this time next year Trump will be crying again, you watch.
 
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