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[W:99]Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Carjosse

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Globe article here. Looks like Doug Ford is the equivalent of an ill-behaved toddler being told no, he is throwing an on the ground limbs-flailing tantrum over not being to take out some petty revenge on Toronto city council. He did not even choose to appeal it he is going straight for the nuclear option. Apparently Doug Ford is willing to void the charter rights of the citizens of Toronto just take out some petty revenge, not even appeal the decision, straight to nuclear. Not to mention how stupid the idea is in the first place, you cannot change the rules of an election the middle of the election, especially when all authorities deemed those old rules as necessary.

Who can justify support such an immature toddler for premier of the province? Ford is a joke.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Globe article here. Looks like Doug Ford is the equivalent of an ill-behaved toddler being told no, he is throwing an on the ground limbs-flailing tantrum over not being to take out some petty revenge on Toronto city council. He did not even choose to appeal it he is going straight for the nuclear option. Apparently Doug Ford is willing to void the charter rights of the citizens of Toronto just take out some petty revenge, not even appeal the decision, straight to nuclear. Not to mention how stupid the idea is in the first place, you cannot change the rules of an election the middle of the election, especially when all authorities deemed those old rules as necessary.

Who can justify support such an immature toddler for premier of the province? Ford is a joke.

Rob Ford? You don't suppose it runs in the family, do you? :lamo Rob would support Doug's behavior.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

I forgot to mention he also says he will use it if he is ever challenged on legislation by the courts. So in other words he wants to be a dictator.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Rob Ford? You don't suppose it runs in the family, do you? :lamo Rob would support Doug's behavior.

Definitely runs in the family.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

I forgot to mention he also says he will use it if he is ever challenged on legislation by the courts. So in other words he wants to be a dictator.

Carjosse:

Ontario elected him with full knowledge of his authoritarian political leanings and his alleged and checkered political and personal past. Now they have to live with their ill-considered electoral decision for the next three to four years plus. The silver lining is that Mr. Ford will likely so discredit right-wing populism (as opposed to right-wing political parties) that sanity will return to Ontario in a few years time, albeit with a huge political hang-over-headache and humiliating regret. Hopefully other Canadian provinces and all Canadians will learn from Ontario's supreme folly and not make the same mistake in their own provincial and in federal elections.

Doug Ford, like most authoritarians, does not hold the Rule of Law in high regard. He, like others of his ilk, prefers the Rule of Man which often morphs into the Rule of the Man. This ideology sees power as a system of personal relationships and not as a system of offices and institutions with clearly defined mandates and limitations. Mr. Ford will try to bend Ontario to his will and will make any political deals necessary in the service of his will. If that means overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I am sure he is fine with that. That is the danger of following the Rule of Man - all institutional limits to ambition and power are removed or pushed aside in the pursuit of the leader's great cause and all means are acceptable to the weilders of power as they attempt to realise their great projects and ambitions. It was thus with Quebec's Maurice Duplessis in the 1930'e-1950's and it will likely be the same in Ontario at least for the next few years. Ecce Homo Imperator!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Rob Ford? You don't suppose it runs in the family, do you? :lamo Rob would support Doug's behavior.

Crap....there's two of 'em...I didnt know that. :doh

Sorry Canada.....please forgive me for everything I ever said about forcing you to take Justin Bieber back....you have enough problems.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Crap....there's two of 'em...I didnt know that. :doh

Sorry Canada.....please forgive me for everything I ever said about forcing you to take Justin Bieber back....you have enough problems.

There were two. Rob died last year from cancer and/or the excesses of drug and alcohol abuse, hookers and all the usual things affecting politicians in most countries.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

There were two. Rob died last year from cancer and/or the excesses of drug and alcohol abuse, hookers and all the usual things affecting politicians in most countries.

So, natural causes?
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Crap....there's two of 'em...I didnt know that. :doh

Sorry Canada.....please forgive me for everything I ever said about forcing you to take Justin Bieber back....you have enough problems.

This made me LOL.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Carjosse:

Ontario elected him with full knowledge of his authoritarian political leanings and his alleged and checkered political and personal past. Now they have to live with their ill-considered electoral decision for the next three to four years plus. The silver lining is that Mr. Ford will likely so discredit right-wing populism (as opposed to right-wing political parties) that sanity will return to Ontario in a few years time, albeit with a huge political hang-over-headache and humiliating regret. Hopefully other Canadian provinces and all Canadians will learn from Ontario's supreme folly and not make the same mistake in their own provincial and in federal elections.

Doug Ford, like most authoritarians, does not hold the Rule of Law in high regard. He, like others of his ilk, prefers the Rule of Man which often morphs into the Rule of the Man. This ideology sees power as a system of personal relationships and not as a system of offices and institutions with clearly defined mandates and limitations. Mr. Ford will try to bend Ontario to his will and will make any political deals necessary in the service of his will. If that means overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I am sure he is fine with that. That is the danger of following the Rule of Man - all institutional limits to ambition and power are removed or pushed aside in the pursuit of the leader's great cause and all means are acceptable to the weilders of power as they attempt to realise their great projects and ambitions. It was thus with Quebec's Maurice Duplessis in the 1930'e-1950's and it will likely be the same in Ontario at least for the next few years. Ecce Homo Imperator!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

well...I'm-a-gonna have to call Horse Kaka here.
Eloquent horse kaka...but...you know...

The Toronto municipal government has been expanded steadily for years, without consulting the citizens of Toronto.
If you ask around Toronto, you'll quickly find that most people support a reduction in the number of councilors.

Now, setting aside your obvious disdain for Ford. The fact is, he won a majority in Ontario and he did so because he brought common sense to a toxic political environment, created by the Liberals. His message was simple. The Ontario government has done nothing but waste money and promote common PC jack-assery. Even The Star, which is nothing more than a Liberal bent rag, could only honestly report the 'nearly half' of Torontonians oppose this action by Ford. Nearly Half...no real numbers sited...just 'nearly half'. What an obvious obfuscation of the facts by butt-hurt Libbies.

As for your suppositions about Ford being some sort of authoritarian...PFFT...
You are engaging in pure sound-bytes. Throwing **** at the wall, hoping something will stick.
The fact is, he has every right to invoke the 'Not Withstanding' clause, and I applaud his willingness to do what's right, instead of what the bleeding hearts club howls.

The Liberals lost, and they did so in large fashion. It is their own faults that Ford is Premier of Ontario. Had Wynn and her merry pack o' SJWs not frigged over the public at large so much, perhaps Rob Ford wouldn't be in a position to do what he's doing.

Thus, although eloquent in presentation...your post is just a litany of sound-bytes and general horse kaka.
But it reads well so thanks for that...
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

well...I'm-a-gonna have to call Horse Kaka here.
Eloquent horse kaka...but...you know...

The Toronto municipal government has been expanded steadily for years, without consulting the citizens of Toronto.
If you ask around Toronto, you'll quickly find that most people support a reduction in the number of councilors.

Now, setting aside your obvious disdain for Ford. The fact is, he won a majority in Ontario and he did so because he brought common sense to a toxic political environment, created by the Liberals. His message was simple. The Ontario government has done nothing but waste money and promote common PC jack-assery. Even The Star, which is nothing more than a Liberal bent rag, could only honestly report the 'nearly half' of Torontonians oppose this action by Ford. Nearly Half...no real numbers sited...just 'nearly half'. What an obvious obfuscation of the facts by butt-hurt Libbies.

As for your suppositions about Ford being some sort of authoritarian...PFFT...
You are engaging in pure sound-bytes. Throwing **** at the wall, hoping something will stick.
The fact is, he has every right to invoke the 'Not Withstanding' clause, and I applaud his willingness to do what's right, instead of what the bleeding hearts club howls.

The Liberals lost, and they did so in large fashion. It is their own faults that Ford is Premier of Ontario. Had Wynn and her merry pack o' SJWs not frigged over the public at large so much, perhaps Rob Ford wouldn't be in a position to do what he's doing.

Thus, although eloquent in presentation...your post is just a litany of sound-bytes and general horse kaka.
But it reads well so thanks for that...

hehe...look up the Power of Disallowance. Trudeau can tell Ford to sit down and shut up any time he likes. I'm sure you'd be ok with that too, right? :)
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

hehe...look up the Power of Disallowance. Trudeau can tell Ford to sit down and shut up any time he likes. I'm sure you'd be ok with that too, right? :)

If its proper parliamentary process and legal...of course.
In fact, I would encourage Pixey-Dust to do so...if he has the balls.
It would only serve to solidify the conservative vote against him.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Crap....there's two of 'em...I didnt know that. :doh

Sorry Canada.....please forgive me for everything I ever said about forcing you to take Justin Bieber back....you have enough problems.

No. They still need to answer for Bieber. And Nickelback.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

If its proper parliamentary process and legal...of course.
In fact, I would encourage Pixey-Dust to do so...if he has the balls.
It would only serve to solidify the conservative vote against him.

Pixey Dust showing he has balls has been going pretty well for him, actually...

Of course, I would be shocked into a coma if he actually did it. The reason these things exist are for extreme situations, and no one ever uses them. Which is why Ford is taking it on the chin for something so trivial as this. Ah well, this passing bit of indigestion known as the Canadian alt-right movement can only last so long. Every once in a while we all need a reminder of how not to vote. ;)
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Globe article here. Looks like Doug Ford is the equivalent of an ill-behaved toddler being told no, he is throwing an on the ground limbs-flailing tantrum over not being to take out some petty revenge on Toronto city council. He did not even choose to appeal it he is going straight for the nuclear option. Apparently Doug Ford is willing to void the charter rights of the citizens of Toronto just take out some petty revenge, not even appeal the decision, straight to nuclear. Not to mention how stupid the idea is in the first place, you cannot change the rules of an election the middle of the election, especially when all authorities deemed those old rules as necessary.

Who can justify support such an immature toddler for premier of the province? Ford is a joke.

Damned Trumpy wannabe.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

well...I'm-a-gonna have to call Horse Kaka here.
Eloquent horse kaka...but...you know...

The Toronto municipal government has been expanded steadily for years, without consulting the citizens of Toronto.
If you ask around Toronto, you'll quickly find that most people support a reduction in the number of councilors.

Now, setting aside your obvious disdain for Ford. The fact is, he won a majority in Ontario and he did so because he brought common sense to a toxic political environment, created by the Liberals. His message was simple. The Ontario government has done nothing but waste money and promote common PC jack-assery. Even The Star, which is nothing more than a Liberal bent rag, could only honestly report the 'nearly half' of Torontonians oppose this action by Ford. Nearly Half...no real numbers sited...just 'nearly half'. What an obvious obfuscation of the facts by butt-hurt Libbies.

As for your suppositions about Ford being some sort of authoritarian...PFFT...
You are engaging in pure sound-bytes. Throwing **** at the wall, hoping something will stick.
The fact is, he has every right to invoke the 'Not Withstanding' clause, and I applaud his willingness to do what's right, instead of what the bleeding hearts club howls.

The Liberals lost, and they did so in large fashion. It is their own faults that Ford is Premier of Ontario. Had Wynn and her merry pack o' SJWs not frigged over the public at large so much, perhaps Rob Ford wouldn't be in a position to do what he's doing.

Thus, although eloquent in presentation...your post is just a litany of sound-bytes and general horse kaka.
But it reads well so thanks for that...

The thing is the current number of wards was a result of consulting Torontonians, a commission was responsible for it. They need that many wards because believe it or not Toronto's population has significantly increased and will continue to do so. The amount of money to have more wards is negligible to the overall budget and is ultimately necessary to have sufficient representation. If this was not a petty attack on Toronto why does this not apply to all municipalities, and why do it in the middle of the election?
 
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Pixey Dust showing he has balls has been going pretty well for him, actually...
He doesn't need to "show" his balls...nobody has a magnifying glass that strong.
But I don't see where he's using them at all.

Of course, I would be shocked into a coma if he actually did it. The reason these things exist are for extreme situations, and no one ever uses them. Which is why Ford is taking it on the chin for something so trivial as this. Ah well, this passing bit of indigestion known as the Canadian alt-right movement can only last so long. Every once in a while we all need a reminder of how not to vote. ;)
If a tool exists and never gets used...its useless.
This isn't "alt-right" Nate, it's common sense. Just ask the majority of Torontonians.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

The thing is the current number of wards was a result of consulting Torontonians, a commission was responsible for it. They need that many wards because believe it or not Toronto's population has significantly increased and will continue to do so. The amount of money to have more wards is negligible to the overall budget and is ultimately necessary to have sufficient representation. If this was not a petty attack on Toronto why does this not apply to all municipalities, and why do it in the middle of the election?

The election hasn't even started yet.

You say the population of Toronto was consulted about these ward increases, including the last 3?
I say...prove it. I live in Toronto, and nobody ever asked me.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

He doesn't need to "show" his balls...nobody has a magnifying glass that strong.
But I don't see where he's using them at all.


If a tool exists and never gets used...its useless.
This isn't "alt-right" Nate, it's common sense. Just ask the majority of Torontonians.


Oh, Trudeau's been doing a good job protecting our economy, for starters... That's what people have been responding to positively all summer.

So...I'm gonna go ahead and break the glass so I can use a firehose to water my garden? I think I could catch more fish if I used a nuke...I mean, they're just sitting there, after all... ;)

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...onable-claims-about-toronto-city-council.html

All this guy wants to do is get back at the city for his brother. I feel like there are more pressing issues in the province at the moment. But, hey, this is your side's chance. If you wanna blow it, that's up to you. All he's doing right now is showing everyone, very clearly, why populist conservative governments can only fail in Canada. Hopefully everyone learns their lesson very well ahead of the next federal election. :)
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

Oh, Trudeau's been doing a good job protecting our economy, for starters... That's what people have been responding to positively all summer.

So...I'm gonna go ahead and break the glass so I can use a firehose to water my garden? I think I could catch more fish if I used a nuke...I mean, they're just sitting there, after all... ;)
It's a tool, and it's time to pull it out of the mothballs.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...onable-claims-about-toronto-city-council.html

All this guy wants to do is get back at the city for his brother. I feel like there are more pressing issues in the province at the moment. But, hey, this is your side's chance. If you wanna blow it, that's up to you. All he's doing right now is showing everyone, very clearly, why populist conservative governments can only fail in Canada. Hopefully everyone learns their lesson very well ahead of the next federal election. :)
Prove it. Can you?
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

The election hasn't even started yet.

You say the population of Toronto was consulted about these ward increases, including the last 3?
I say...prove it. I live in Toronto, and nobody ever asked me.

About the Toronto Ward Boundary Review
The Toronto Ward Boundary Review is looking at the size and shape of Toronto's wards. It is being conducted by
a team of independent consultants, who have been asked to propose changes to the current ward boundaries in
order to ensure each person in Toronto is fairly represented at City Council. The Review process, which consists
of research, two rounds of public consultation and civic engagement, and a final report with recommendations to
Council, must be complete by 2016. Toronto City Council will then make the final decision on whether or not to
accept the recommendations made by the consultant team and must pass a by-law to implement the new ward
structure. The changes that occur as a result of the Review will come into effect for the 2018 municipal election.

You think they have to ask every single resident of Toronto what they think about it? You can read more here.

The election process has started, people need to file their candidacy.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

well...I'm-a-gonna have to call Horse Kaka here.
Eloquent horse kaka...but...you know...

The Toronto municipal government has been expanded steadily for years, without consulting the citizens of Toronto.
If you ask around Toronto, you'll quickly find that most people support a reduction in the number of councilors.

Now, setting aside your obvious disdain for Ford. The fact is, he won a majority in Ontario and he did so because he brought common sense to a toxic political environment, created by the Liberals. His message was simple. The Ontario government has done nothing but waste money and promote common PC jack-assery. Even The Star, which is nothing more than a Liberal bent rag, could only honestly report the 'nearly half' of Torontonians oppose this action by Ford. Nearly Half...no real numbers sited...just 'nearly half'. What an obvious obfuscation of the facts by butt-hurt Libbies.

As for your suppositions about Ford being some sort of authoritarian...PFFT...
You are engaging in pure sound-bytes. Throwing **** at the wall, hoping something will stick.
The fact is, he has every right to invoke the 'Not Withstanding' clause, and I applaud his willingness to do what's right, instead of what the bleeding hearts club howls.

The Liberals lost, and they did so in large fashion. It is their own faults that Ford is Premier of Ontario. Had Wynn and her merry pack o' SJWs not frigged over the public at large so much, perhaps Rob Ford wouldn't be in a position to do what he's doing.

Thus, although eloquent in presentation...your post is just a litany of sound-bytes and general horse kaka.
But it reads well so thanks for that...

Buzz62:

Premier Ford is pre-emptively declaring that he will ignore the decisions of Ontario's courts, even before they make those decisions. That shows contempt for the Rule of Law, because he is not objecting to their actual decisions (which have not been made yet) but is objecting to the idea that the courts can limit his political freedom to rule Ontario. Premiers are not rulers, they are elected representatives and managers who are supposed to work for the public good and provide the province with peace, order and good governance, not authoritarian rule. By pre-emptively dismissing the courts' power to constrain government freedom of action within the Rule of Law, Mr. Ford is saying that he and his administration are effectively above the law and will ignore and overrule the courts which enforce the Rule of Law.

I come from Quebec where the authoritarian ancien regime mentality of successive Quebec governments has caused them to use the Not Withstanding Clause to overrule the law of the land on quite a few occasions since 1980. Being an Anglo-Québécois several of those invocations of the Not Withstanding Clause were aimed squarely at my minority community, my language, my freedoms and my profession (I am a teacher). I can tell you from personal experience that being on the receiving end of such government diktats which overrule the law is frustrating, humiliating and poisons the society with malice and anger for decades. So I would not be so quick to discount the seriousness of what Mr. Ford is proposing/threatening to do, without even knowing how the courts will come down on future issues.

Yes, Mr. Ford and the Conservatives won the election and Ontario voters will have to live with their decision for better or for worse. But they elected a premier, not a president, a Caesar or a king and Mr. Ford and his party must still function under the Rule of Law.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

It's a tool, and it's time to pull it out of the mothballs.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...onable-claims-about-toronto-city-council.html


Prove it. Can you?

:lamo Oh, sweet, naïve Buzz. C'mon. Don't pull that "prove it" nonsense with me, we both know I can't. But I was listening to the boys back when they had a show on 1010, and their feelings about the Toronto City Council, widely and openly expressed, would leave anyone with a double digit IQ with little doubt nevertheless. He's been waiting all this time to get a chance to screw them over, and the moment he does, look what happens... lol... Now just be a real man for five seconds and admit the obvious, so that we can keep on being honest with each other. You're a Torontonian, I lived in the GTA when all that went down, we both know what's up. I'm not even going to say I wasn't cheering for them at the time....lol... I liked Rob, he was always a superior version of Doug, outside of the crack and binge drinking drama.
 
Re: Doug Ford to invoke notwithstanding clause to override judge’s Toronto council ruling

You think they have to ask every single resident of Toronto what they think about it? You can read more here.

The election process has started, people need to file their candidacy.
Ya ya ya...I'm not gonna wade through this book.
Nobody asked me, a citizen of the city, if I thought more counsilors would be a good way to waste tax money.
Whatever this "public consultation" was...it was apparently done on the sly.

Again...the majority of Torontonians AGREE with 25 wards and councilors.
 
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