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Trump/Canada island dispute

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The Trump administration is ensnared in another border dispute — this time with Canada

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Canadian manned lighthouse and flag on Machias Seal Island.

8/11/18
OTTAWA — Canadians often boast that their 5,525-mile boundary with the United States is the longest undefended border in the world. But tempers have frayed on at least one small stretch. Machias Seal Island is a 20-acre, treeless island teeming with puffins, razorbills, terns, eiders and other seabirds, making it a prime destination for birdwatchers. Canada and the United States both claim sovereignty over the island, which is about 10 miles off the coast of Maine, and the surrounding 277-square-mile Gray Zone, where fishermen from both countries compete over valuable lobster grounds. In late June and early July, Canadian fishermen said, U.S. Border Patrol agents in speedboats intercepted Canadian lobster boats in the Gray Zone. “I have no idea where they came from,” said Laurence Cook, a lobsterman and representative of the Fishermen’s Association from nearby Grand Manan Island. “We’ve never seen U.S. Border Patrol in the Gray Zone before.” Cook said at least 10 Canadian boats were stopped and their crews interrogated about whether they were carrying drugs and illegal immigrants.

Canada’s foreign ministry said in a statement that it is investigating the incidents, which it said “occurred in Canadian waters.” “Canada’s sovereignty over Machias Seal Island and the surrounding waters is long-standing and has a strong foundation in international law,” the statement said. U.S. Customs and Border Protection said U.S. Border Patrol agents — who are a part of Customs and Border Protection — were simply conducting “regular patrol operations” to enforce immigration and other U.S. laws in “the jurisdictional waters of the United States.” The agency said it boards Canadian vessels only with consent. The State Department maintained in a statement that Machias Seal Island belongs to the United States and has since 1783. There are four boundary disputes along the countries’ border, but the fight over Machias Seal Island is the “only one that actually involves sovereignty over a piece of territory,” said Stephen Kelly, a retired U.S. diplomat and a research scholar on boundary issues at Duke University. The other disputes are squabbles over marine boundaries. Kelly, who has a summer home on the Maine coast, said the recent presence of U.S. Border Patrol in the Gray Zone was unusual. “I don’t know what they were doing out there. It’s hardly a well-known smuggling path,” he said.

It's a shame Donald Trump has ruined such a close and mutually beneficial relationship.

Related: US-Canada Relations Crumbling, US Border Patrol Harass Canadian Boats
 
We must immediately deploy our Lumberjack Commandos to the Island to dissuade an American invasion.

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" It's a shame Donald Trump has ruined such a close and mutually beneficial relationship. "

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The Trump administration is ensnared in another border dispute — this time with Canada

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Canadian manned lighthouse and flag on Machias Seal Island.



It's a shame Donald Trump has ruined such a close and mutually beneficial relationship.

Related: US-Canada Relations Crumbling, US Border Patrol Harass Canadian Boats

Yes, because a border spat over a rock means "ruining" a relationship. Hate to break it to you but there have been long standing border disputes on the West Coast between WA and BC over similar small rocks and islands. Things go about just fine.
 
Yes, because a border spat over a rock means "ruining" a relationship.

I trust you have a TV or a mobile phone?

This island is the least of the many Trump/Canada problems.
 
So because Trudeau doesn't bend over backwards to please Trump he is the problem here?

Well the fact is Trudeau admires communist human rights abusers so free market leaders who believe in constitutionalism are people he can’t work with.

I mean actually it’s the other way around because Trump won’t just layover for Canadian abuse of tariffs against us.
 
Well the fact is Trudeau admires communist human rights abusers so free market leaders who believe in constitutionalism are people he can’t work with.

I mean actually it’s the other way around because Trump won’t just layover for Canadian abuse of tariffs against us.

What exactly is Canada abusing? Please cite specifics.
 
Well the fact is Trudeau admires communist human rights abusers so free market leaders who believe in constitutionalism are people he can’t work with.

Citation?
 
Well the fact is Trudeau admires communist human rights abusers so free market leaders who believe in constitutionalism are people he can’t work with.

I mean actually it’s the other way around because Trump won’t just layover for Canadian abuse of tariffs against us.


:lamo Ya, we abuse you so badly that you guys enjoy a trade surplus with us, when goods and services are both considered, despite us being ~1/10th your population.

Trumpsters are so cute.... :lol:
 
The Trump administration is ensnared in another border dispute — this time with Canada

merlin_140804301_080c5fb1-4d61-4a3c-b593-0e7251a5610f-threeByTwoSmallAt2X.jpg

Canadian manned lighthouse and flag on Machias Seal Island.



It's a shame Donald Trump has ruined such a close and mutually beneficial relationship.

Related: US-Canada Relations Crumbling, US Border Patrol Harass Canadian Boats


I wouldn't say he's ruined it. For the most part we're a reasonable group of people, and know how to put blame where blame belongs. It's not as if he campaigned on being as much of a pain in the ass to Canada as possible.

Now...if you guys reelect this maple syrup hating douche bag, we'll have a better idea where the rest of you stand... ;)
 
Now...if you guys reelect this maple syrup hating douche bag, we'll have a better idea where the rest of you stand... ;)

I believe most here know exactly where I stand regarding Trumpkins :2razz:
 
The Canadian Army is now deploying their units to defend the island against a possible American invasion.

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The Canadian Army is now deploying their units to defend the island against a possible American invasion.

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:mrgreen:

Plus several of our world class naval destroyers to patrol the area:

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Well the fact is Trudeau admires communist human rights abusers so free market leaders who believe in constitutionalism are people he can’t work with.

I mean actually it’s the other way around because Trump won’t just layover for Canadian abuse of tariffs against us.

Ohferchristsake. Wotta crock. Get back to us when Trudeau leaves a G-7 summit to fly half-way around the world to legitimize Kim Jong-Un.
And Canadian 'abuse of tariffs' is all response to American tariffs. Are you one of those who thinks big, bad Canada has been taking America's lunch money for years? Who screwed up the negotiations, Reagan or Bush? Which one allowed America's pocket to be picked?
 
Plus several of our world class naval destroyers to patrol the area:

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Did you know they have top secret cloaking technology, making them invisible to sight, radar, IR, and they leave no wake in the water
 
Ohferchristsake. Wotta crock. Get back to us when Trudeau leaves a G-7 summit to fly half-way around the world to legitimize Kim Jong-Un.
And Canadian 'abuse of tariffs' is all response to American tariffs. Are you one of those who thinks big, bad Canada has been taking America's lunch money for years? Who screwed up the negotiations, Reagan or Bush? Which one allowed America's pocket to be picked?

But Dairy

Canada puts massive tariffs on US subsidized milk, and that is not fair
 
But Dairy

Canada puts massive tariffs on US subsidized milk, and that is not fair

Two things about that- the US dairy industry is so subsidized it would be unfair to allow it to dump it's over-production on the Canadian market and the US dairy factories feed a steroid to the cattle that's banned in Canada and Europe.
US milk is seen here much like Chinese steel is seen by you. An inferior product, government subsidized and over-produced and dumped on foreign markets.
Why is government subsidy of your dairy industry okay but the fact that Canadian lumber producers pay lower stumpage fees is seen as an unfair subsidy and the reason for import duties/tariffs?
 
Two things about that- the US dairy industry is so subsidized it would be unfair to allow it to dump it's over-production on the Canadian market and the US dairy factories feed a steroid to the cattle that's banned in Canada and Europe.
US milk is seen here much like Chinese steel is seen by you. An inferior product, government subsidized and over-produced and dumped on foreign markets.

Note I put US subsidized milk in my post (I know the US government provides a lot of money into the US ag industry to.

Second I am Canadian,
 
lol...no thanks. We'll wait until you put an adult in the WH.

You guys might want to go half on a wall?
Heard you got a little problem going on up there.
Since your guy in charge invited everybody in.
All the winners are heading your way now.
MB
 
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