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Ontario's Sex Ed Curriculum Reversal

Carjosse

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I think it is time to discuss probably what is probably just the first of many Ford blunders in an attempt to appeal to the social conservatives.

Ford is now backpedalling form a total reversal back to the old curriculum but is now saying more parents need to be consulted. This is despite the fact:
As part of its consultations on the elementary health and physical-education curriculum, which includes sex-ed, the former government sought feedback from 4,000 parents – chosen by principals from representatives on the school councils of every elementary school – in the fall of 2014.

The Liberal government also conducted earlier consultations and focus groups with students, teachers, faculties of education, universities and colleges, in addition to other stakeholders. More than 70 health-related organizations submitted reports and more than 2,400 people provided feedback on the draft curriculum, according to a 2014 news release.
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I personally feel several thousand parents is a good enough sample size and statistical theory on sample size would also say that is more than sufficient to get an accurate representation. But now Ford wants to waste taxpayer money consulting tens of thousands of parents on the already implemented curriculum. This is nothing but pure pandering to a social conservative base who do not want to see children properly educated and opposition comes from people who have never even read the actual curriculum.

Here is a summary of what is covered in the revised curriculum that Ford just removed. Students will no longer be taught about many things like the dangers of sexting, what makes a healthy relationship, homosexuality, etc. I have personally experienced being taught the old curriculum it is garbage and teaches nothing other than wear a condom and the changes in puberty.
 
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It is always deeply embarrising for the too mixed up to talk about sex brigade when they encounter sensible thought.
 
Carjosse said:
I think it is time to discuss probably what is probably just the first of many Ford blunders in an attempt to appeal to the social conservatives.

Ford is now backpedalling form a total reversal back to the old curriculum but is now saying more parents need to be consulted. This is despite the fact:


I personally feel several thousand parents is a good enough sample size and statistical theory on sample size would also say that is more than sufficient to get an accurate representation. But now Ford wants to waste taxpayer money consulting tens of thousands of parents on the already implemented curriculum. This is nothing but pure pandering to a social conservative base who do not want to see children properly educated and opposition comes from people who have never even read the actual curriculum.

Here is a summary of what is covered in the revised curriculum that Ford just removed. Students will no longer be taught about many things like the dangers of sexting, what makes a healthy relationship, homosexuality, etc. I have personally experienced being taught the old curriculum it is garbage and teaches nothing other than wear a condom and the changes in puberty.
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Unfortunately many of these topics are those that parents feel they should be the ones to inform their children on. Which I already feel is a stupid means to this. It needs to be an extremely inclusive curriculum, covering more than just what is considered traditional.

Yet many of these people, who are going to be questioned. Will most likely not want some of these things to be said to their children without them present. Or even feel that the curriculum should cover things like sexting and the such. So it may be that they are going to do more harm than good in this instance.
 
Carjosse said:
I think it is time to discuss probably what is probably just the first of many Ford blunders in an attempt to appeal to the social conservatives.

Ford is now backpedalling form a total reversal back to the old curriculum but is now saying more parents need to be consulted. This is despite the fact:


I personally feel several thousand parents is a good enough sample size and statistical theory on sample size would also say that is more than sufficient to get an accurate representation. But now Ford wants to waste taxpayer money consulting tens of thousands of parents on the already implemented curriculum. This is nothing but pure pandering to a social conservative base who do not want to see children properly educated and opposition comes from people who have never even read the actual curriculum.

Here is a summary of what is covered in the revised curriculum that Ford just removed. Students will no longer be taught about many things like the dangers of sexting, what makes a healthy relationship, homosexuality, etc. I have personally experienced being taught the old curriculum it is garbage and teaches nothing other than wear a condom and the changes in puberty.
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I'm far more concerned with his killing of cap and trade and the lack of money for school repairs as a direct result; finding those efficiencies:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4321353/ontario-pc-government-cancels-school-repair-fund/

 
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But those aren't to purely pander to social conservatives.
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No, worse still: it's purely to pander to enviro and econ conservatives.

More to the point though, yes, this reversion to the old curriculum is obviously a ridiculous reversal and moreover a waste of tax payer dollars; it's also probably among the most benign things this government will do in terms of reversal/decimation of Liberal policies.
 
Wynne's curriculum has to go. It's been mired in controversy from the start.


Liberals can't deny Levin's role with sex-ed curriculum

The controversial parts has students as young as six learning about “consent” who by 12 are given an introduction to same-sex relations.

For some, it’s a question of what children should be learning. For others, it’s about age appropriateness. But for many, the key question is should such a strategy be moved forward when the man at the top of it is accused with crimes against children?

These memos end the confusion as to just what was his involvement was in the curriculum that expands the traditional two genders understanding to a more “equitable” and “inclusive” six.

In an interview with OISE’s winter 2009 newsletter, Levin said: “I was the deputy minister of education. In that role, I was the chief civil servant. I was responsible for the operation of the Ministry of Education and everything that they do; I was brought in to implement the new education policy.”


Memos show Levin announcing he is taking over the “renamed” Learning and Curriculum department and “will have responsibilty for curriculum.” It’s nonsensical and troubling to suggest Levin was not involved. In the interest of children, with these documents now public, members of the legislature should sanction the premier and minister for spinning attempts.
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https://torontosun.com/2015/03/02/l...ulum/wcm/744836e1-03e8-44c0-b10f-615c26ba14ff



Let's remind everyone about Benjamin Levin:



Depraved world view of Ben Levin continues on parole

Levin, 65, was sentenced to three years in prison in 2015 after pleading guilty to creating and possessing child pornography and counselling others to commit a sexual assault.

Caught by undercover officers online, the world-renowned educator, UofT prof and former member of Kathleen Wynne’s transition team was a frequent visitor to an incest chat room where he counselled single moms on how to sexually assault their daughters for his pleasure and theirs, a site where his profile listed his sexuality as “nothing is taboo.”

In one disgusting sampling read out in court, the depraved Levin told one London “mom” he’d like to “f— all 3 (of her children) in front of you with your help…would they submit or would I need to tie them?”
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https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/depraved-world-view-of-ben-levin-continues-on-parole
 
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Carjosse said:
So what is your actual criticism of the curriculum and how would you update it?
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It is taught to kids that are too young! Wow! Six years old? Coming from a pedo (Levin) - that's no surprise. :lol:

Some parents would want to have their very young children's maintain their innocence, thank you.
And it's up to the parents how much they want their young kids to know about sexual matters.

Wynne's curriculum aimed to usurp parental authority. That's the truth of it.
And, we can't help but think it's self-serving for pedophile Levin (for what he is)......... and Wynne ( her ideology).
 
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tosca1 said:
It is taught to kids that are too young! Wow! Six years old? Coming from a pedo (Levin) - that's no surprise. :lol:

Some parents would want to have their young children's innocence, thank you. And it's up to the parents how much they want their young kids to know about sexual matters.

Wynne's curriculum aimed to usurp parental authority. That's the truth of it. And, we can't help but think it's self-serving for Wynne, and her ideology.
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Why shouldn't we teach children that sexual abuse is bad exactly? It seems to me you have a lot more in common with this Levin guy than you think.
 
Carjosse said:
Why shouldn't we teach children that sexual abuse is bad exactly? It seems to me you have a lot more in common with this Levin guy than you think.
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It's the EXPLICITNESS of it that's the problem!

Lol. Was it by accident at all that an X-rated website managed to be linked with the Toronto school board - and not until it's been discovered by outraged parents did they (the board) tried to spin their way out of it!


Toronto school board web link offers kinky sex advice
https://torontosun.com/2012/09/26/s...cate/wcm/404d25fc-7026-46e4-981c-4022fd17a13c

Yup.


Had you given a sexplicit instruction to a kid how she can masturbate with a veggie - I bet you'd be slapped with corruption of minors, let alone child abuse!

Why are these kind of sexual activities being taught to children???


I recall reading something too in the curriculm about kids going to have their own "mentors." Mentors my foot!
Mentors like Levin???

Like they're grooming these kids!
 
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tosca1 said:
It's the EXPLICITNESS of it that's the problem!

Lol. Was it by accident at all that an X-rated website managed to be linked with the Toronto school board - and not until it's been discovered by outraged parents did they (the board) tried to spin their way out of it!


Toronto school board web link offers kinky sex advice
https://torontosun.com/2012/09/26/s...cate/wcm/404d25fc-7026-46e4-981c-4022fd17a13c

Yup.


Had you given a sexplicit instruction to a kid how she can masturbate with a veggie - I bet you'd be slapped with corruption of minors, let alone child abuse!

Why are these kind of sexual activities being taught to children???


I recall reading something too in the curriculm about kids going to have their own "mentors." Mentors my foot!
Mentors like Levin???

Like they're grooming these kids!
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Being "explicit" if you can call it that even though it is really just teaching them proper terminology makes it both far more effective and easier to teach about sexual abuse as well as makes children more likely to tell someone about it as there is less shame involved and they can properly discuss it. Sounds to me you just want to make things easier for pedophiles.
 
Carjosse said:
Being "explicit" if you can call it that even though it is really just teaching them proper terminology makes it both far more effective and easier to teach about sexual abuse as well as makes children more likely to tell someone about it as there is less shame involved and they can properly discuss it.
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Bottomline: it's up to the parents when it comes to very young children!




Sounds to me you just want to make things easier for pedophiles.
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Why are you suddenly attacking me personally????



Sounds like you're the one who's utterly disappointed now that Ford had taken children out of pedophiles' easy reach! lol.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with this topic - other than to whine about it. Lol. You even attack me personally just because you can't refute my point!

That sex ed by that pedophile is gone! Live with it.
If you want it back so darn badly - get a petition going - campaign and vote for Ben Levin next time!
 
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tosca1 said:
Bottomline: it's up to the parents when it comes to very young children!






Why are you suddenly attacking me personally????



Sounds like you're the one who's utterly disappointed now that Ford had taken children out of pedophiles' easy reach! lol.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with this topic - other than to whine about it. Lol. You even attack me personally just because you can't refute my point!

That sex ed by that pedophile is gone! Live with it.
If you want it back so darn badly - get a petition going - campaign and vote for Ben Levin next time!
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You seem to think the curriculum makes things easier for pedophiles when in reality it does the opposite, and that was the point. The goal of teaching kids at that age about things like terminology and what consent is about is to combat sexual abuse, which is a real problem. They are not doing it for the sake of it or to "corrupt" their minds like you think they are. You don't even know what is in the curriculum, have you ever actually read it? You are the one just throwing out tabloid clickbait headlines, you not actually disproving or showing how the curriculum is bad.

That is not an attack that is literally what you are doing by supporting the old curriculum.
 
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Carjosse said:
You seem to think the curriculum makes things easier for pedophiles when in reality it does the opposite, and that was the point. The goal of teaching kids at that age about things like terminology and what consent is about is to combat sexual abuse, which is a real problem. They are not doing it for the sake of it or to "corrupt" their minds like you think they are. You don't even know what is in the curriculum, have you ever actually read it? You are the one just throwing out tabloid clickbait headlines, you not actually disproving or showing how the curriculum is bad.

That is not an attack that is literally what you are doing by supporting the old curriculum.
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Parents can - and should - teach their own kids to not be a victim of sex abuse!
If protecting children is really the agenda here - then, campaign to have PARENTS start teaching their own kids about it!!
Provide information to PARENTS about methods to go about it! It's parents you have to arm, and deal with!


Why should children listen to STRANGERS about sex abuse? They may know them.....but do we really know them?
We see teachers, coaches, church clergy, daycare people - people of authority - sexually abusing children!


My mom taught me when I was around 5 or 6.
I knew what inappropriate touchings are........ without her having to tell me about "OTHER GENDERS" that exist on
this planet!

That's really what that old sex-ed is all about - LGBT!




It's up to parents when they'd want to explain to their children about LGBT!



Let's wait and see if Ford will listen to you. I doubt it.


Campaign to have pedophile Levin for Premier next round...........since you love his ideas so much.
 
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tosca1 said:
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Let's wait and see if Ford will listen to you. I doubt it.


Campaign to have pedophile Levin for Premier next round...........since you love his ideas.
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Explain to me how teaching kids what sexual abuse is helps pedophiles or pushes their ideas onto children.
 
Carjosse said:
Explain to me how teaching kids what sexual abuse is helps pedophiles or pushes their ideas onto children.
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If you can't figure that out for yourself - I think this issue is way over your head!
 
Lol. It's self-serving for Wynne - pushing her LGBT agenda!
She wanted to bypass parents and their values, by teaching our children her own values.
That's what this is really all about.


Why on earth will you ply a six year old with all these issues - like as if things aren't confusing for a child that young already.
And here Wynne wants to add the LGBT issue to the mix! :lol:

Who ever approved this curriculum don't understand very young children......or, they don't really care.
 
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tosca1 said:
If you can't figure that out for yourself - I think this issue is way over your head!
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No, the burden of proof is on you. You are the one trying to push your narrative.
 
tosca1 said:
Lol. It's self-serving for Wynne - pushing her LGBT agenda!
She wanted to bypass parents and their values, by teaching our children her own values.
That's what this is really all about.


Why on earth will you ply a six year old with all these issues - like as if things aren't confusing for a child that young already.
And here Wynne wants to add the LGBT issue to the mix! :lol:

Who ever approved this curriculum don't understand very young children......or, they don't really care.
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Why shouldn't children be taught that other children may have two dads or two moms, what exactly is wrong with that? Being a homophobe does not change reality, children have same-sex parents whether you like it or not.
 
Carjosse said:
No, the burden of proof is on you. You are the one trying to push your narrative.
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EH? What burden of proof are you on about??? :lol:

Like as if I'm debating what you're trying to argue about. We're not on the same page!

Read my previous posts again.
 
Carjosse said:
Why shouldn't children be taught that other children may have two dads or two moms, what exactly is wrong with that? Being a homophobe does not change reality, children have same-sex parents whether you like it or not.
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So.....it's the LGBT agenda you're really worried about, eh?
See? What more can I say? "Protecting kids," my foot. :lol:

Before you go all ballistic, and start calling me more names......read my previous posts (and understand what I'm saying). :roll:
 
tosca1 said:
So.....it's the LGBT agenda you're really worried about, eh?
See? What more can I say? "Protecting kids," my foot. :lol:

Before you go all ballistic, and start calling me more names......read my previous posts (and understand what I'm saying). :roll:
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It is not forcing the LGBT agenda on kids, it is merely reflecting reality. Kids need to learn this stuff, it cannot just be left to parents, it is far too important to do so.
 
tosca1 said:
It is taught to kids that are too young! Wow! Six years old? Coming from a pedo (Levin) - that's no surprise. :lol:

Some parents would want to have their very young children's maintain their innocence, thank you.
And it's up to the parents how much they want their young kids to know about sexual matters.

Wynne's curriculum aimed to usurp parental authority. That's the truth of it.
And, we can't help but think it's self-serving for pedophile Levin (for what he is)......... and Wynne ( her ideology).
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Super early sex "education" is driven by the agenda of teaching kids early to snitch to the state about abuse in the family....parents and families are not to be trusted...they must be monitored.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Super early sex "education" is driven by the agenda of teaching kids early to snitch to the state about abuse in the family....parents and families are not to be trusted...they must be monitored.
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So you support sexual abuse of children? What the **** is wrong with you?
 
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