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LA Times said:A new report from the Center for American Progress analyzed data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and found that 70% of the crime guns recovered and traced in Mexico, and 98% of crime guns in Canada originate in the U.S.
Sadly, one of a rash of recent gun crimes in my city.
We need to start thinking about getting tough on offenses committed with a gun because it seems about an impossible task to adequately secure the border with the US where virtually all of the crime guns come from; again, maybe we should be the ones building the wall: American guns are killing our neighbors in Canada and Mexico
I refuse to accept a normalization of this kind of violence as is the case in the States.
you ought to do some further studying on tracing and what it means
If you have any evidence to contradict that 98% figure I'm more than willing to hear it out.
you miss the point-they don't trace stuff they know didn't come from the USA.
What is the point precisely? Is it that those figures omit most of the non-US sourced guns (I assume) or that they don't bother attributing the source of the 2% residual which is largely irrelevant at this point given its presently tiny proportion?
Interesting.
So what you're actually saying is that we don't know the exact % of crime guns for sure because of the fact that these stats are only concerned with the actual guns submitted and traced by the ATF.
I do believe though that, per statistical sampling, the actual % is probably pretty close however. Maybe it's not 98%, but even 90, 80, 70% would be far too high. I'll also look into the study's data (the one that purported 98%) and the total crime gun figures.
Bottom line is keeping guns out of criminal hands will prove challenging at the least and probably needs to be reinforced with more effective dissuasion.
it makes sense that a country that has the longest border with Canada (and canada has a minuscule arms industry-Para-Ord for example moved from Canada to North Carolina IIRC) and I doubt Inglis (made copies of the BHP for Canada during WWII) even exists any more would be the source of most of the weapons LEGALLY and ILLEGALLY owned. and I say DUH. but the fact is-Mexican drug cartels have lots of the stuff the Iron Curtain dumped on the world market after the wall came down and some nations chose to join the west. so when the Mexican police (who aren't on the take) find a firearm that is obviously say Russian or Chinese, Bulgarian and is fully automatic, they know it could not have originated from the USA and its not submitted to USA authorities for tracing. same with GLOCKS, Berettas CZs etc that don't have USA import marks. BTW the USA gives/sells Mexican authorities tons of guns, many of them end up in Cartel hands because the cops and soldiers down there often sell them to the cartel
What is the point precisely? Is it that those figures omit most of the non-US sourced guns (I assume) or that they don't bother attributing the source of the 2% residual which is largely irrelevant at this point given its presently tiny proportion?
Well I don't know what the specifics are in Canada, but in Mexico (because this was a political controversy some time ago) there was a claim 70% of Mexican crime guns came from the US, it was based off of ATF trace data, except when you looked into the study, what happened was that only 30% of the crime guns recovered by Mexican Authorities were submitted to US BATF for tracing, and out of those 70% traced to the US. so a large number of the guns recovered were not submitted for tracing, either because they weren't US Manufacture, or because they had been legally imported for Mexican retailers, or stolen from Mexican government arsenals (or the arsenals of neighboring countries) etc.
Well I don't know what the specifics are in Canada, but in Mexico (because this was a political controversy some time ago) there was a claim 70% of Mexican crime guns came from the US, it was based off of ATF trace data, except when you looked into the study, what happened was that only 30% of the crime guns recovered by Mexican Authorities were submitted to US BATF for tracing, and out of those 70% traced to the US. so a large number of the guns recovered were not submitted for tracing, either because they weren't US Manufacture, or because they had been legally imported for Mexican retailers, or stolen from Mexican government arsenals (or the arsenals of neighboring countries) etc.