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Should We Distance Ourselves from the US?

Should We Distance Ourselves from the US?

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EMNofSeattle said:
Canadian tariffs will not hurt the US anywhere near as much as the other way around.

Besides Scheer would likely approach the entire issue not as a philosophical adversary of Trump and thusly negotiation would be easier.
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You can't give in to a bully, doesn't matter how much it hurts. And Trump's a bully.
Negotiate in good faith? Fine. Bully tactics? We're not negotiating anymore.
 
Carjosse said:
Fellow Canadians do you think we should start distancing ourselves from the US? It is clear that Trump is more interested in being allies with Putin than the Western World. In order to minimize exposure to the clear risks of having ties with the US we need to start distancing ourselves from the US and start making closer ties elsewhere especially to the EU.

I think it is quite clear that Trump and by extension the American people are no longer interested in being allies.
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Ah, yes.

If you look under the surface and Trump's bull**** blustering, you will see that the 'distance' between us is growing at a progressive rate. Mr. Trump has virtually assured Mr. Trudeau will govern another term.

In strategizing it would seem that the objective of getting Trump to loose what little cool he has, Trudeau has succeeded beyond expectations. Trump hasn't told the truth in decades and Canadians are more than well aware of that, and they know Trudeau is no "Mr. Meek", a guy named Harper made that mistake a few years ago and got his political throat cut.

And, the childish twit after he'd left demonstrated to the collected diplomats what a coward he is, slinging mud after he left. That is exactly what Canada and France wanted, and the "group of" is now unofficially back to seven with Mexico the 'unofficial', let's call it "response" to trumps taunts.

Watch for a Health Canada campaign along with a co-ordinated campaign with Agriculture Canada and Canada's dairy industry. It is the weakest part of Trump's argument. In the US dairy does not come from a family farm, but huge corporate factories where penned cows are force fed a Monsanto created hormone called somatotropin, which is a suspected carcinogen and banned in Europe and Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin

What else Mr. Trump is misrepresenting is that that there is a world wide glut of milk and industrial milk products, China is now self sufficient along with India, leaving a mess in Wisconsin where the corporate executives, like their banker and automaker buddies want at the federal, excuse the pun, cash teat.

70% of Canada's consumption comes from family farms in Ontario and Quebec, where the small dairy still thrives so long as we do not allow dumping by American producers. Expect the Liberals to use their government power for an "information" campaign revealing what a prick Trump is.

I also expect to soon hear about a consumer boycott, depending on what penalties Ottawa levies against the US.

There is ONE and only one certainty. We are not friends any more. The days of a Kennedy addressing parliament are gone, over. Mr. Trump wanted a trade war, and now he has one. And he is wrong that we will 'love one another" at any time soon.

If Canadians reduce cross border shopping by 50%, an estimated 4500 Americans will lose their jobs. They can thank Mr. Trump and Monsanto.
 
Helix said:
way to go, Trumpsters. now we have our friends as adversaries, and there's no benefit in it for us.

disgusting.
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He has succeeded in what Russia, Hitler, and a host of ugly **** offs were unable to do....he's made an enemy of his best friend.

Me? I'm all in favor of a 100% consumer boycott beginning now. Buy nothing from the US, insist our markets carry fruit from our friends, Mexico.

My celebration of this long needed war in that Canadian industry will finally get its act together and realize our REAL friends are the Chinese. They love us.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Ah, yes.

If you look under the surface and Trump's bull**** blustering, you will see that the 'distance' between us is growing at a progressive rate. Mr. Trump has virtually assured Mr. Trudeau will govern another term.

In strategizing it would seem that the objective of getting Trump to loose what little cool he has, Trudeau has succeeded beyond expectations. Trump hasn't told the truth in decades and Canadians are more than well aware of that, and they know Trudeau is no "Mr. Meek", a guy named Harper made that mistake a few years ago and got his political throat cut.

And, the childish twit after he'd left demonstrated to the collected diplomats what a coward he is, slinging mud after he left. That is exactly what Canada and France wanted, and the "group of" is now unofficially back to seven with Mexico the 'unofficial', let's call it "response" to trumps taunts.

Watch for a Health Canada campaign along with a co-ordinated campaign with Agriculture Canada and Canada's dairy industry. It is the weakest part of Trump's argument. In the US dairy does not come from a family farm, but huge corporate factories where penned cows are force fed a Monsanto created hormone called somatotropin, which is a suspected carcinogen and banned in Europe and Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin

What else Mr. Trump is misrepresenting is that that there is a world wide glut of milk and industrial milk products, China is now self sufficient along with India, leaving a mess in Wisconsin where the corporate executives, like their banker and automaker buddies want at the federal, excuse the pun, cash teat.

70% of Canada's consumption comes from family farms in Ontario and Quebec, where the small dairy still thrives so long as we do not allow dumping by American producers. Expect the Liberals to use their government power for an "information" campaign revealing what a prick Trump is.

I also expect to soon hear about a consumer boycott, depending on what penalties Ottawa levies against the US.

There is ONE and only one certainty. We are not friends any more. The days of a Kennedy addressing parliament are gone, over. Mr. Trump wanted a trade war, and now he has one. And he is wrong that we will 'love one another" at any time soon.

If Canadians reduce cross border shopping by 50%, an estimated 4500 Americans will lose their jobs. They can thank Mr. Trump and Monsanto.
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They will not reduce cross border shopping by 50%.

Not unless Trudeau wants to up subsidies and reduce taxes to make products price comparable to USA products in border towns, and reduce gas taxes substantially, and that won’t happen. Health Canada not withstanding Canadians are going to go to the US to buy corporate milk which is half the price, and closing the border to these sales will only guarantee a Tory government. The reality is, the belief that out of a misguided sense of patriotism or bad science and anti Monsanto propaganda Canadian consumers will pay 2 to 3 times as much if they have easy access to the border is delusional

And non hormone dairy products (which are chemically identical to ones from treated cows and thus perfectly safe) are readily available in US grocers, still cheaper.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
He has succeeded in what Russia, Hitler, and a host of ugly **** offs were unable to do....he's made an enemy of his best friend.

Me? I'm all in favor of a 100% consumer boycott beginning now. Buy nothing from the US, insist our markets carry fruit from our friends, Mexico.

My celebration of this long needed war in that Canadian industry will finally get its act together and realize our REAL friends are the Chinese. They love us.
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just remember that a lot of us are embarrassed by this moron, and reject pretty much everything that he does.
 
I voted "No" because that dirty, rotten little pimp Donald Trump isn't going to be around forever,
and there ought to be time to weather the storm. I would not blame you whatever you do, though,
considering the provocation.
 
Fearandloathing said:
He has succeeded in what Russia, Hitler, and a host of ugly **** offs were unable to do....he's made an enemy of his best friend.

Me? I'm all in favor of a 100% consumer boycott beginning now. Buy nothing from the US, insist our markets carry fruit from our friends, Mexico.

My celebration of this long needed war in that Canadian industry will finally get its act together and realize our REAL friends are the Chinese. They love us.
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That's not true at all. plenty of Stalin supporters were rounded up and gulag'd. plenty of French liberals were executed by Robespierre, and Hitler thought Franco was his friend and Franco knew better and signed an alliance with Portugal in the event Hitler invaded the Iberian peninsula and refused to allow Hitler to stage troops to attack Gibraltar.
 
Helix said:
i don't agree. very few were arguing that Canada was screwing us over before this idiot slapped a completely useless tariff on them and started a trade war with one of our closest allies.



that is scary. who knew that Canada that was sucking us dry like a tick? well, not you until last week, anyway. don't feel bad, though; if Canada was previously off your radar, you weren't wrong. i'm looking at my link again, and Canada isn't even a contender on the top trade deficit list. that's odd. it's almost like Trump is a fool who is pissing off our allies for no good reason.
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Exactly.

But Canada was in the G7.

Are you starting to connect the dots?
 
SheWolf said:
What do you think Trump's game plan is in all this? I don't think he has one other than throwing a temper tantrum and crying like a victimized baby. The only options Trump has given our allies is to give into what he wants or a trade war. They can avoid the trade war as much as possible, and trade amongst themselves, which also isolates America. Our allies are in a better position than America in playing this game. They have two options, 1. give into Trump, 2. trade elsewhere. Trump has played a bad hand, because Trump either 1. gets his way, or 2. isolates America which is bad for us economically.

I don't see how Trump is going put America in a better position when this is over. All you can do is sit here and tell the Canadians they are dumb, and making a bad decision... but Trump has made far a worse decision and he was the catalyst
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Your emboldened comment is way off in left field. The US is much better positioned to reduce trade with a few nations or set tariffs on nations that set tariffs on US goods, than the other nations are. France to a small extent, and Canada to a much larger extent, will only harm themselves if they pick up their marbles and run home.

So -- they won't -- despite some here wishing they would.

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Helix said:
i don't agree. very few were arguing that Canada was screwing us over before this idiot slapped a completely useless tariff on them and started a trade war with one of our closest allies.


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that is scary. who knew that Canada that was sucking us dry like a tick? well, not you until last week, anyway. don't feel bad, though; if Canada was previously off your radar, you weren't wrong. i'm looking at my link again, and Canada isn't even a contender on the top trade deficit list. that's odd. it's almost like Trump is a fool who is pissing off our allies for no good reason.
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17 billion trade deficit is not a big deal to you? So I won't hear you complaining when Trump runs the deficit up any, will I? It's ok for allies to screw us, only if its just a little. Can I ask what your determining limit is? 18, 20, 30 billion?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
That's what Putin wants, don't give up on the US, this is why we have elections every four years. To minimize damage from bad leaders. Just wait it out, and know that the American people need a friend right now.

Putin snuck into our house and took a **** in the tank instead of the toilet. We won't ask you to clean it up, but don't stop being our friends just because our house will smell funny for awhile.
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Don't grovel or beg, it's embarrassing. If they are not smart enough to realize he will only be around a little while longer, then here's your hat, what's your hurry.
 
Carjosse said:
Fellow Canadians do you think we should start distancing ourselves from the US? It is clear that Trump is more interested in being allies with Putin than the Western World. In order to minimize exposure to the clear risks of having ties with the US we need to start distancing ourselves from the US and start making closer ties elsewhere especially to the EU.

I think it is quite clear that Trump and by extension the American people are no longer interested in being allies.
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What a knee jerk crock of **** thing to even consider.

The US and Canada will always have a very close relationship regardless of your panty waste PM, and our orange carnival barker.

And you want to act virtuous on the issue while your government imposes a 270% tariff non ultra filtered products from our dairies?

A happy medium would be to find common ground with lumber and dairies, but neither side wants to act like grown ups, so Canada isn't exactly clean in this either.
 
Carjosse said:
Fellow Canadians do you think we should start distancing ourselves from the US? It is clear that Trump is more interested in being allies with Putin than the Western World. In order to minimize exposure to the clear risks of having ties with the US we need to start distancing ourselves from the US and start making closer ties elsewhere especially to the EU.

I think it is quite clear that Trump and by extension the American people are no longer interested in being allies.
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Why should we distance ourselves from the USA just because of Trump? It's not like as if a president sits for life!

Anyway.....why do you say he's more interested to be allies with Russia than the western world?
Just because he wanted Russia to be in the G7? What about China?
Why isn't China in the G7? Everyone wanna trade with China.....and yet, China isn't "good" enough to sit with them?

Didn't Trudeau publicly admire the government of China? What kind of hypocrisy is that?


Trump doesn't seem to get along with the "western world." I don't think it's the western world per se - it's the ideology of the leaders in this western world at the moment! Let's face it - they're socialists. Or, leaning towards it.

Come to think of it, they should all go along well with Russia and China.
 
Distance ourselves with the USA? Really? Let's dream about that when we won't be relying on them for security!
Heck, it's laughable when we go for equipments at yard sales!



Canada hope to buy second-hand drones.....
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Canadian military hoped to buy second-hand drones even before getting the OK | National Post




Canada's stuck with second-hand subs until 2030, navy says
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...hand-subs-until-2030-navy-says/article549612/




Canada scraps Boeing fighter jet deal, will buy used Australian F-18s instead
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https://globalnews.ca/news/3898961/canada-boeing-fighter-jets-austrailia/
 
HowardBThiname said:
Your emboldened comment is way off in left field. The US is much better positioned to reduce trade with a few nations or set tariffs on nations that set tariffs on US goods, than the other nations are. France to a small extent, and Canada to a much larger extent, will only harm themselves if they pick up their marbles and run home.

So -- they won't -- despite some here wishing they would.

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The EU has a larger economy than the US.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
That's what Putin wants, don't give up on the US, this is why we have elections every four years. To minimize damage from bad leaders. Just wait it out, and know that the American people need a friend right now.

Putin snuck into our house and took a **** in the tank instead of the toilet. We won't ask you to clean it up, but don't stop being our friends just because our house will smell funny for awhile.
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What if the next right wing president pulls the same stuff as Trump, and even rips up agreements with allies? The GOP and it's base are standing by Trump now, and they don't recognize the damage.
 
Grand Mal said:
You can't give in to a bully, doesn't matter how much it hurts. And Trump's a bully.
Negotiate in good faith? Fine. Bully tactics? We're not negotiating anymore.
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That's how I react to a bully in real life. Bullies insult you, act with no integrity, and give you little reason to trust them. I don't give into bullies. There are better, honest, and more reliable people out there to engage in business with. Giving into bully tactics always puts you at a disadvatage.
 
SheWolf said:
The EU has a larger economy than the US.
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Both irrelevant and incorrect. According to the IMF, the GDP of the US is $20,412,870. Meanwhile, the GDP of the EU is $19,669,743. Also to note, that number will shrink drastically once the UK finalizes their exit from the EU next year.

Canadians can do what they want. I love the Canada as both a country and a neighbor, but I still do think there are likely some unfair trade practices that harm the US and it's right for Trump to review these. Canada is going to be in a major world of hurt though once their housing bubble finally pops.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Ah, yes.

If you look under the surface and Trump's bull**** blustering, you will see that the 'distance' between us is growing at a progressive rate. Mr. Trump has virtually assured Mr. Trudeau will govern another term.

In strategizing it would seem that the objective of getting Trump to loose what little cool he has, Trudeau has succeeded beyond expectations. Trump hasn't told the truth in decades and Canadians are more than well aware of that, and they know Trudeau is no "Mr. Meek", a guy named Harper made that mistake a few years ago and got his political throat cut.

And, the childish twit after he'd left demonstrated to the collected diplomats what a coward he is, slinging mud after he left. That is exactly what Canada and France wanted, and the "group of" is now unofficially back to seven with Mexico the 'unofficial', let's call it "response" to trumps taunts.

Watch for a Health Canada campaign along with a co-ordinated campaign with Agriculture Canada and Canada's dairy industry. It is the weakest part of Trump's argument. In the US dairy does not come from a family farm, but huge corporate factories where penned cows are force fed a Monsanto created hormone called somatotropin, which is a suspected carcinogen and banned in Europe and Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin

What else Mr. Trump is misrepresenting is that that there is a world wide glut of milk and industrial milk products, China is now self sufficient along with India, leaving a mess in Wisconsin where the corporate executives, like their banker and automaker buddies want at the federal, excuse the pun, cash teat.

70% of Canada's consumption comes from family farms in Ontario and Quebec, where the small dairy still thrives so long as we do not allow dumping by American producers. Expect the Liberals to use their government power for an "information" campaign revealing what a prick Trump is.

I also expect to soon hear about a consumer boycott, depending on what penalties Ottawa levies against the US.

There is ONE and only one certainty. We are not friends any more. The days of a Kennedy addressing parliament are gone, over. Mr. Trump wanted a trade war, and now he has one. And he is wrong that we will 'love one another" at any time soon.

If Canadians reduce cross border shopping by 50%, an estimated 4500 Americans will lose their jobs. They can thank Mr. Trump and Monsanto.
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That doesn't surprise me about US milk. I am a little concerned now. :shock:

I know our meats are pretty bad and filled with hormones. I am sure Canada doesn't do that either. I always try to buy organic.

America does have a really big economy, and a lot of people have lost their jobs, are hurting, are one medical issue away from bankruptcy, people don't visit the doctor like they should because of cost, people struggle, and live pay check to pay check. But still, America is a very wealthy country.

Trump supporters are really confused thinking our allies are to blame for this, when the fault of much of this clearly rests on our domestic policies towards thr people and the elites making all the profits.

Trump supporters are misguded, and pointing their angry fingers at immigrants, illegal immigrants, and allies. The fact is, we could be doing a lot domestically to fix the struggles Trump supporters have. The elites in America have gotten super rich, and America has largely ignored Trump supporters, while pundits misled them into blaming all the wrong people.

And it's going to get worse for these Trumpers. I just met with a financial advisor, she said at the current level of spending and tax rates, Medicare will run out in 2026. She said they are also advising people to plan to save like there will be no SSN. The Trumpers are in in the age range to be primarily screwed by those programs going broke, but they are too busy giving you Canadians the middle finger to care at the moment.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
That's not true at all. plenty of Stalin supporters were rounded up and gulag'd. plenty of French liberals were executed by Robespierre, and Hitler thought Franco was his friend and Franco knew better and signed an alliance with Portugal in the event Hitler invaded the Iberian peninsula and refused to allow Hitler to stage troops to attack Gibraltar.
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Erroneous comparisons. It would be like Hitler pissing off Japan, and Japan turning on Hitler.
 
digsbe said:
Both irrelevant and incorrect. According to the IMF, the GDP of the US is $20,412,870. Meanwhile, the GDP of the EU is $19,669,743. Also to note, that number will shrink drastically once the UK finalizes their exit from the EU next year.

Canadians can do what they want. I love the Canada as both a country and a neighbor, but I still do think there are likely some unfair trade practices that harm the US and it's right for Trump to review these. Canada is going to be in a major world of hurt though once their housing bubble finally pops.
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Trump is setting up America to be in a world of hurt with his crazy trade war. Medicare and SSN will likely bankrupt very soon too. So much for waiting it out and hoping Canada gets desperate.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Exactly.

But Canada was in the G7.

Are you starting to connect the dots?
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yeah. they connect into a picture of a big orange idiot who shot our collective foot while shooting from the hip because he can't aim and doesn't care to learn.
 
SheWolf said:
Trump is setting up America to be in a world of hurt with his crazy trade war. Medicare and SSN will likely bankrupt very soon too. So much for waiting it out and hoping Canada gets desperate.
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I disagree, with the tax cuts and ease of regulations we are seeing the US economy surging. I think he's setting us up quite nicely.
 
Helix said:
yeah. they connect into a picture of a big orange idiot who shot our collective foot while shooting from the hip because he can't aim and doesn't care to learn.
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Okay, back to the troll tank for you. If you don't understand a topic, it's better not to post at all.
 
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