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Horvath Isn't Just Tone-Deaf......

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When Horvath says she's talked to people all over Ontario.......what people did she mean? Was she visiting cemeteries, and talking to gravestones?


Seven in Ten (71%) Ontarians Prefer Spending cuts to Deficits (17%) or Increased Taxes (12%)
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https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/Global-News-Ontario-Vote-Deficit-Poll-May-16-2018



She admitted that she'd raise taxes! When she was interviewed after the first debate, she said..... "Donate a little bit more taxes."
Incidentally, my NDP neighbour has been saying the same thing: let's pay a little bit more taxes to help others. That must be the new NDP mantra.

At least, Horvath came out saying it. By implying it is a donation, she makes it sound like as if you've got any choice about it!
Or, how much you want to give! How much is "little?"

Of course, you know why this issue of "donating a little bit more taxes," came about, eh? Just look at her shopping list!


Ontarians don't want any more added deficits, or taxes! That's what the survey says! It's true. Everyone I talked with are worried!


...........but say they would run multi-year deficits to pay for their plan.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4147047/ontario-ndp-horwath-platform/


With all the taxes she's got planned for big corporations and small businesses......who do you think will end up shouldering those added cost? Consumers! You and I!
We get to make our "donation of a little bit more taxes...." and, on top of that, we get hit by prices going up! We get slammed!
If I want to be crude, that's what they mean when they say getting royally, "b***-f***ed!"




Horvath isn't listening at all.
 
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tosca1 said:
When Horvath says she's talked to people all over Ontario.......what people did she mean? Was she visiting cemeteries, and talking to gravestones?



https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/Global-News-Ontario-Vote-Deficit-Poll-May-16-2018



She admitted that she'd raise taxes! When she was interviewed after the first debate, she said..... "Donate a little bit more taxes."
Incidentally, my NDP neighbour has been saying the same thing: let's pay a little bit more taxes to help others. That must be the new NDP mantra.

At least, Horvath came out saying it. By implying it is a donation, she makes it sound like as if you've got any choice about it! Or, how much you want to give! How much is "little?"

Of course, you know why this issue of "donating a little bit more taxes," came about, eh? Just look at her shopping list!


Ontarians don't want any more added deficits, or taxes! That's what the survey says! It's true. Everyone I talked with are worried!



https://globalnews.ca/news/4147047/ontario-ndp-horwath-platform/



Horvath isn't listening at all.
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Ya, but at least she's not the corrupt, pathetic loser Doug Ford. :shrug:

I'll be honest with ya, Tos, I don't like her either. But I will cross all appendages that the polls showing her winning are right, because of the two she is the least divisive. It will be a train wreck, I'm almost 100% sure of it. But we've seen what happens when populists win in America, anything is better than that.

Funny thing...if you guys would have put Elliot in, instead of this jerk off, I'd be voting for her this time around, no question. I'd have voted for Brown as well. Those were actual "Progressive" Conservatives, unlike this lukewarm Trump pretender. Once again, the assholes ruin everything for everyone else.

Ah well...at least the two of us would be able to share a toast that Wynne has thrown in the hat. In the end, her bowing out was the most respectable thing she's done. "I know I'm gonna lose, so vote to make sure that worthless piece of **** doesn't destroy this province". I was a fan for five minutes over that, and I have hated her for a decade.

Best thing in the world would be a minority government, no matter who wins. Our provincial politics are gross, and have been for a long time. Watching them get worse under Doug Ford is something all Ontarians that claim to care about their province should be fighting with all they have.
 
And, get this. Horvath wants to turn Ontario into a Sanctuary!

What cockamamie plan is that? Doesn't she see what's happening with our influx of refugees at the border - thanks to Mr Big Mouth! Doesn't she read the papers???




Toronto opens 800 beds for asylum seekers, asks for millions in provincial, federal help
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toron...millions-in-provincial-federal-help-1.3944406





Quebec asks for federal help as number of asylum-seekers spikes
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/quebe...-as-number-of-asylum-seekers-spikes-1.3886918




Canada doesn't need another sanctuary politician

Canada bans people who: pose a risk to national security, have committed a human rights violation, have ties to organized crime or a terrorist group, have deliberately lied to a Canadian official or who have been convicted of a serious crime.

Terrorists, war criminals, gangsters, liars and thugs.

In other words, the NDP’s sanctuary policy will only protect the sorts of people we really don’t want in our country. Everyone else is already protected by Canada’s extremely generous policies regarding asylum seekers and refugees.

We even provide social services to migrants whose refugee claims have been rejected, and those with pending deportation orders.

Canada’s immigration problems don’t stem from a lack of generosity or good will. Our problems — which are getting worse by the day — come from a political decision not to enforce our current laws.
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MALCOLM: Canada doesn’t need another sanctuary politician | Toronto Sun
 
Get this, too.


Lol. Canadians can't afford housing prices in Toronto - some are moving out of Toronto!


Young families can’t afford to live in Toronto

I live in Toronto with my wife and 18-month-old son. My wife and I are both youth workers and have been at our jobs for some time. I work on the front lines with homeless and under-housed youth in employment and at a transitional shelter.

What I find unfortunate is that my wife and I have found it impossible to find affordable housing. After tax, 30 per cent of our income is roughly $1,350. As CMHC recommends no more than 30 per cent of your income be spent on housing, that is a number we aim to use to house ourselves and our young son.

A two-bedroom unit in Toronto is now going for $1,800 and more, plus utilities. That brings housing costs to more than 50 per cent for of a couple making well above minimum wage.

The lack of interest in providing citizens of this city with affordable housing is criminal. If I can’t find housing for my family, how would a young homeless person will ever get off the streets?

I’m disgusted with this city and its municipal government, along with the provincial and federal governments who leave young families like mine with no options. Families in this city are suffering, we are drowning.
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https://www.thestar.com/opinion/let...-families-cant-afford-to-live-in-toronto.html


.....and yet, we're providing free housing to ILLEGALS! And inviting the UNDESIRABLES to move in!
That's what sanctuary is all about! Go figure!
 
And, get this one too.


What about hospital spaces? We're putting patients in the hallways now. What more when we've got all these sanctuary-seekers coming in.....where else can we accomodate sick people? At the parking lot??

Boy, guess who gets the parking lot: Tax-paying CANADIANS! :lol:




Andrea Horvath isn't just tone-deaf. She is brain-dead!
 
tosca1 said:
And, get this one too.


What about hospital spaces? We're putting patients in the hallways now. What more when we've got all these sanctuary-seekers coming in.....where else can we accomodate sick people? At the parking lot??

Boy, guess who gets the parking lot: Tax-paying CANADIANS! :lol:


Andrea Horvath isn't just tone-deaf. She is brain-dead!
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Still better than Ford. :shrug:
 
Btw, don't ever think that these sanctuary-seekers - likely hoods and bad people - would just be confined to Toronto.
They can go anywhere within Ontario.
 
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Folks, we've got to use our heads here. The result could mean a long-time devastation that might take us decades to recover......if,
if we can recover at all.

You can plainly see the writings on the wall with Horvath.



Horvath's got a very lousy timing, too. She'd pick a fine time to do her shopping spree.




AND.....the possibility of a Horvath-Wynne coalition. They're two peas in a pod when it comes to shopping. They're the same.
Imagine those two going shopping together....with the unlimited Ontario credit card!
 
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tosca1 said:
Folks, we've got to use our heads here. The result could mean a long-time devastation that might take us decades to recover......if,
if we can recover at all.

You can plainly see the writings on the wall with Horvath.



Horvath's got a very lousy timing, too. She'd pick a fine time to do her shopping spree.
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Would rather go broke than see Ontario go down the path of American politics. It will be interesting to see what Wynne's announcement does to the polls.
 
I forgot about the back-to-work legislation that Horvath's had said she'd never use.

Even if it's your intention, you don't announce that......


.....unless you're giving a message to the Union, that if you win.......

..........you'll be giving the green light for them to take Ontarians to the cleaners.
 
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Don't vote with your emotions! Don't base your decision around your hate for the guy next door.

This is about your own house - not your neighbour's!
 
Btw.....colluding with the Union, in exchange for votes....is, corruption.

If anyone can be as blatant as that from the get-go.....boy, just wait when they've got the power.
 
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tosca1 said:
When Horvath says she's talked to people all over Ontario.......what people did she mean? Was she visiting cemeteries, and talking to gravestones?



https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/Global-News-Ontario-Vote-Deficit-Poll-May-16-2018



She admitted that she'd raise taxes! When she was interviewed after the first debate, she said..... "Donate a little bit more taxes."
Incidentally, my NDP neighbour has been saying the same thing: let's pay a little bit more taxes to help others. That must be the new NDP mantra.

At least, Horvath came out saying it. By implying it is a donation, she makes it sound like as if you've got any choice about it!
Or, how much you want to give! How much is "little?"

Of course, you know why this issue of "donating a little bit more taxes," came about, eh? Just look at her shopping list!


Ontarians don't want any more added deficits, or taxes! That's what the survey says! It's true. Everyone I talked with are worried!



https://globalnews.ca/news/4147047/ontario-ndp-horwath-platform/


With all the taxes she's got planned for big corporations and small businesses......who do you think will end up shouldering those added cost? Consumers! You and I!
We get to make our "donation of a little bit more taxes...." and, on top of that, we get hit by prices going up! We get slammed!
If I want to be crude, that's what they mean when they say getting royally, "b***-f***ed!"




Horvath isn't listening at all.
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I'm a Social Democrat, so of course I would support Horvath over Ford, I think Ford's a crook and I don't like Wynne and if I like Social Democratic policies, who else would I vote for?

I think Ford would raise the debt on policies that would serve his graft and corruption. I think if Horvath increased the debt, it would be for polices that would be better for Ontario.
 
Yes_Minister said:
I think Ford would raise the debt on policies
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Here's the big difference between you and I:

You think Ford will.


I KNOW Horvath will. She said so!


As for your accusations of graft and corruption against Ford - that's your talking point.
I didn't hear anyone in the debate asking him about his alleged graft and corruption.


On the other hand, Horvath and the Union - that's a very interesting relationship.
 
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tosca1 said:
Here's the big difference between you and I:

You think Ford will.


I KNOW Horvath will. She said so!


As for your ccusations of graft and corruption - that's your talking point.
Horvath and the Union - that's a very interesting relationship.
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That's only according your ideology, which I do not believe in, if I am Social Democrat, why would I vote for Ford over Horath? That would be the opposite of my values, if you want to vote for Ford fine, that's your choice, but you can't make a right wing ideological argument and expect everyone to agree with your case, I do not agree with the logic behind it.

I think the state can do good things for people and I think Ford would be out for himself when elected, if I think Horath is a better person and more in line with my values, why would I vote for Ford instead?
 
Folks, review the posts on this thread.


Horvath's socialist ideology is at the core of every decision she makes. She can't help that.
We can't blame her for having her own ideology.....even though it's a senseless one.

They hate capitalism - big corporations and businesses. Yet they want free this, and free that! Who'll shoulder all the freebies if there are no businesses? They hate the very thing that makes their demand to be nurtured, possible!
Go figure.



But voters has the choice to make. We have the power to choose.

Do you want a socialist government?
 
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tosca1 said:
Folks, review the posts on this thread.


Horvath's socialist ideology is at the core of every decision she makes. She can't help that.
We can't blame her for having her own ideology.....even though it's a senseless one.

They hate capitalism - big corporations and businesses. Yet they want free this, and free that! Who'll shoulder all the freebies if there are no businesses? They hate the very thing that makes their demand to be nurtured, possible!
Go figure.



But voters has the choice to make. We have the power to choose.

Do you want a socialist government?
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Norway is a social democracy, is that some sort nightmare society? The Scandinavian countries lead the way in terms of having the best health care and education systems in the world. I think you are doing that Republican trick where you conflate social democracies with historical communist dictatorships like Stalin's USSR, its intellectually dishonest. I have no problem supporting social democratic parties.

Your making arguments on an ideological frame work, that I simply do not agree with. I guess you are fine with corporations undercutting the Ontario worker and the middle class eh? Neoliberal ideology has failed the people of Ontario.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
Norway is a social democracy, is that some sort nightmare society? The Scandinavian countries lead the way in terms of having the best health care and education systems in the world. I think you are doing that Republican trick where you conflate social democracies with historical communist dictatorships like Stalin's USSR, its intellectually dishonest. I have no problem supporting social democratic parties.

Your making arguments on an ideological frame work, that I simply do not agree with. I guess you are fine with corporations undercutting the Ontario worker and the middle class eh? Neoliberal ideology has failed the people of Ontario.
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hahahahaha



That the Nordic countries are so successful is due to an exceptional culture that emphasizes social cohesion, hard work, and individual responsibility.

Today, in contrast, Nordic countries stand out as having high-tax models.

Denmark, for example, has the highest tax rate among developed nations. But in 1960, the tax rate in the country was merely 25 percent of GDP, lower than the 27 percent rate in the U.S. at the time. In Sweden, the rate was 29 percent, only slightly higher than in the U.S.

In fact, much of Nordic prosperity evolved between the time that a capitalist model was introduced in this part of the world during the late 19th century and the mid 20th century – during the free-market era.


What might come as a surprise to American admirers of the Nordic countries is that high levels of income equality evolved during the same period.
Swedish economists Jesper Roine and Daniel Waldenström, for example, explain that “most of the decrease [in income inequality in Sweden] takes place before the expansion of the welfare state and by 1950 Swedish top income shares were already lower than in other countries.” A recent paper by economists Anthony Barnes Atkinson and Jakob Egholt Søgaard reaches a similar conclusion for Denmark and Norway.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/07/nordic-democratic-socialist-model-exposing-lefts-myth/
 
tosca1 said:
When Horvath says she's talked to people all over Ontario.......what people did she mean? Was she visiting cemeteries, and talking to gravestones?



https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/Global-News-Ontario-Vote-Deficit-Poll-May-16-2018



She admitted that she'd raise taxes! When she was interviewed after the first debate, she said..... "Donate a little bit more taxes."
Incidentally, my NDP neighbour has been saying the same thing: let's pay a little bit more taxes to help others. That must be the new NDP mantra.

At least, Horvath came out saying it. By implying it is a donation, she makes it sound like as if you've got any choice about it!
Or, how much you want to give! How much is "little?"

Of course, you know why this issue of "donating a little bit more taxes," came about, eh? Just look at her shopping list!


Ontarians don't want any more added deficits, or taxes! That's what the survey says! It's true. Everyone I talked with are worried!



https://globalnews.ca/news/4147047/ontario-ndp-horwath-platform/


With all the taxes she's got planned for big corporations and small businesses......who do you think will end up shouldering those added cost? Consumers! You and I!
We get to make our "donation of a little bit more taxes...." and, on top of that, we get hit by prices going up! We get slammed!
If I want to be crude, that's what they mean when they say getting royally, "b***-f***ed!"




Horvath isn't listening at all.
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This is hilarious.

Okay, so Horvath isn't listening to Ontarians, but if she's hard of hearing, Doug Ford is straight up deaf as his largely uncosted 'plan' promises to feature the highest deficit of any candidate, and ironically, the NDP's features the lowest: https://globalnews.ca/news/4245631/doug-ford-pcs-deficit-economists/

That's right; the NDP's Horvath is the most _fiscally responsible candidate_ and the Con's Doug Ford is the least.

My grandfather, a lifelong PC and libertarian conservative is voting NDP over Tories for what he says is the first time in his long, long life; perhaps the most telling thing I've seen this entire electoral cycle.
 
OlNate said:
Ya, but at least she's not the corrupt, pathetic loser Doug Ford. :shrug:

I'll be honest with ya, Tos, I don't like her either. But I will cross all appendages that the polls showing her winning are right, because of the two she is the least divisive. It will be a train wreck, I'm almost 100% sure of it. But we've seen what happens when populists win in America, anything is better than that.

Funny thing...if you guys would have put Elliot in, instead of this jerk off, I'd be voting for her this time around, no question. I'd have voted for Brown as well. Those were actual "Progressive" Conservatives, unlike this lukewarm Trump pretender. Once again, the assholes ruin everything for everyone else.

Ah well...at least the two of us would be able to share a toast that Wynne has thrown in the hat. In the end, her bowing out was the most respectable thing she's done. "I know I'm gonna lose, so vote to make sure that worthless piece of **** doesn't destroy this province". I was a fan for five minutes over that, and I have hated her for a decade.

Best thing in the world would be a minority government, no matter who wins. Our provincial politics are gross, and have been for a long time. Watching them get worse under Doug Ford is something all Ontarians that claim to care about their province should be fighting with all they have.
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Wynne saying to continue to vote Liberal despite bowing out was essentially a fundamental betrayal of her own policies out of partisan spite; I mean **** dude, she and Horvath agree on most of the major issues, and Horvath's deficit is actually slated to be smaller than Wynne's. Again, the NDPs are the fiscally responsible ones this time, at least by comparison, despite it being an admittedly low bar.

What is it about Horvath that you particularly despise or fear?
 
Surrealistik said:
This is hilarious.

Okay, so Horvath isn't listening to Ontarians, but if she's hard of hearing, Doug Ford is straight up deaf as his largely uncosted 'plan' promises to feature the highest deficit of any candidate, and ironically, the NDP's features the lowest: https://globalnews.ca/news/4245631/doug-ford-pcs-deficit-economists/

That's right; the NDP's Horvath is the most _fiscally responsible candidate_ and the Con's Doug Ford is the least.

My grandfather, a lifelong PC and libertarian conservative is voting NDP over Tories for what he says is the first time in his long, long life; perhaps the most telling thing I've seen this entire electoral cycle.
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Read the OP again.
 
tosca1 said:
Read the OP again.
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I did; I'm confident in the relevance of my response.

Ontarians want a balanced budget, that much is clear; no one is closer to that than Horvath, and no one is further than Ford per the numbers as they stand.
 
Surrealistik said:
Wynne saying to continue to vote Liberal despite bowing out was essentially a fundamental betrayal of her own policies out of partisan spite; I mean **** dude, she and Horvath agree on most of the major issues, and Horvath's deficit is actually slated to be smaller than Wynne's. Again, the NDPs are the fiscally responsible ones this time, at least by comparison, despite it being an admittedly low bar.

What is it about Horvath that you particularly despise or fear?
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I had a different take away from her bowing out...she admitted that she will not win, that seemed a clear signal to prevent a PC government...certainly it will be taken that way.

I don't particularly despise Horvath, I should clarify, when I say I don't like her, I am talking about her in the context of premier, I'm sure she's lovely. But the NDP do not have a good track record in this province, and in general are far better at promoting ideologies than actual policy, with few notable exceptions. I mean, vs. Ford, a no brainer. And I'll be happy to see Wynne go. But it really is a lesser of evils vote this time.

I'm willing to keep an open mind, despite serious concerns. I will be voting Green, because it doesn't matter, and all three of the major parties have engaged in divisiveness, which I see is the greatest threat we face, so I won't reward that with a vote.
 
OlNate said:
I had a different take away from her bowing out...she admitted that she will not win, that seemed a clear signal to prevent a PC government...certainly it will be taken that way.
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She was pretty explicit about denying both sides a majority government. Moreover, since the Liberals and NDP generally split the left vote between them, telling people to continue to vote Liberal over NDP is basically tantamount to having them gift the Cons a majority.

I don't particularly despise Horvath, I should clarify, when I say I don't like her, I am talking about her in the context of premier, I'm sure she's lovely. But the NDP do not have a good track record in this province, and in general are far better at promoting ideologies than actual policy, with few notable exceptions. I mean, vs. Ford, a no brainer. And I'll be happy to see Wynne go. But it really is a lesser of evils vote this time.

I'm willing to keep an open mind, despite serious concerns. I will be voting Green, because it doesn't matter, and all three of the major parties have engaged in divisiveness, which I see is the greatest threat we face, so I won't reward that with a vote.
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Bob Rae was generations ago man (and always was politically/ideologically more of a Liberal than NDP); you've got to let it go. I'm legitimately curious: are there no discrete policies you dislike of hers? Are your misgivings mostly rooted in historical baggage?

Either way, I've no problems with the Green vote though in the event it doesn't matter for your riding.
 
Oh.....let's not forget that other issue that Horvath is tone-deaf with: carbon tax!


7 in 10 Ontarians think carbon taxes are just a tax grab: Ipsos poll

The poll of 1,197 eligible voters found the sentiments to be largely prevalent across party lines — while Conservative voters (85 per cent) were most likely to label carbon taxes a tax grab, a majority of NDP (72 per cent) and Liberal (54 per cent) voters also felt the same.
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Seems like everything about the NDP is........tax, tax, tax! Tax here and there - and everywhere a tax-tax! Is that a surprise?
 
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