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Parents defend vigilantism against man under investigation for child luring

ChezC3

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Vancouver Island parents say they believe they were doing the right thing when they tackled and restrained a man they allege was in their Port Alberni home to have sex with their underage daughter.
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When police arrived, they freed the man and took him to hospital. Mounties say he hasn't been charged.
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Police arrived after 15 or 20 minutes, the woman said Friday, and told the three people allegedly involved in restraining the man that they would be detained for assault.
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https://bc.ctvnews.ca/parents-defend-vigilantism-against-man-under-investigation-for-child-luring-1.3885016

So the lesson here I suppose is you can be a perverted child molester in Canada but don't try to protect your daughter. That will get you arrested.
 
ChezC3 said:
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/parents-defend-vigilantism-against-man-under-investigation-for-child-luring-1.3885016

So the lesson here I suppose is you can be a perverted child molester in Canada but don't try to protect your daughter. That will get you arrested.
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Here is the key phrase where they went wrong:

Desperate for a solution, she said she posed as her daughter and messaged the man to invite him to her home.
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That is not the right way to handle it, and you cannot invite some one to your house and then assault them, no matter what you might think they may want to do. What she did was understandable, but a crime nonetheless.
 
Redress said:
Here is the key phrase where they went wrong:



That is not the right way to handle it, and you cannot invite some one to your house and then assault them, no matter what you might think they may want to do. What she did was understandable, but a crime nonetheless.
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Perhaps not, but when the authorities are doing nothing?

I'm likely to agree with the point that you can't invite someone over than beat their ass but there are extenuating circumstances I believe. Like intent. Also, as a parent, are you thinking the perv is gonna wait for an invite and/or stop if consent is not given?
 
ChezC3 said:
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/parents-defend-vigilantism-against-man-under-investigation-for-child-luring-1.3885016

So the lesson here I suppose is you can be a perverted child molester in Canada but don't try to protect your daughter. That will get you arrested.
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The lesson that I see, is that the rights and freedoms that US citizens have protected by our Constitution are once again proven to be rare even in advanced and "enlightened" first world countries, and we should selfishly protect them and our Constitution.

15 to 20 minutes for the Mounties to arrive, and they're going to charge the family that lived in that house with assault for restraining the guy until the Mounties arrived? That's shameful.

EDIT: See my next post below. The original above left for honesty.
 
Redress said:
Here is the key phrase where they went wrong:



That is not the right way to handle it, and you cannot invite some one to your house and then assault them, no matter what you might think they may want to do. What she did was understandable, but a crime nonetheless.
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Yup... Once you invite them in, you're screwed.
 
ChezC3 said:
Perhaps not, but when the authorities are doing nothing?

I'm likely to agree with the point that you can't invite someone over than beat their ass but there are extenuating circumstances I believe. Like intent. Also, as a parent, are you thinking the perv is gonna wait for an invite and/or stop if consent is not given?
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As I understand from the article, the authorities where investigating the accusation. They cannot just arrest some one based on an accusation.
 
Redress said:
As I understand from the article, the authorities where investigating the accusation. They cannot just arrest some one based on an accusation.
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But with his presence at the house that makes it more than an accusation, no?

I mean, I can be accused of a being a pot head, with that being one thing but it's another when I'm caught smoking a J...
 
ChezC3 said:
But with his presence at the house that makes it more than an accusation, no?

I mean, I can be accused of a being a pot head, with that being one thing but it's another when I'm caught smoking a J...
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He was invited to the house though.
 
ChezC3 said:
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/parents-defend-vigilantism-against-man-under-investigation-for-child-luring-1.3885016

So the lesson here I suppose is you can be a perverted child molester in Canada but don't try to protect your daughter. That will get you arrested.
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Canadian self defense law is actually pretty good, these actions were not self defense.

Now would this be charged in the US? I mean this freak is not a sympathetic victim to a jury, but do remember this would violate the law in the US.

Just to give you a point about self defense in Canada, in this same town (Port Alberni) In 2009 a Jeweller shot and paralyzed a robber with a legally owned handgun and was never charged.
 
Redress said:
He was invited to the house though.
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Under the impression it was a child doing the inviting.

I generally agree with what your saying but when the police ain’t doing what they’re suppose and you’ve got this perv lurking — I can’t blame the parent and I sure ain’t going to charge them.
 
ChezC3 said:
Under the impression it was a child doing the inviting.

I generally agree with what your saying but when the police ain’t doing what they’re suppose and you’ve got this perv lurking — I can’t blame the parent and I sure ain’t going to charge them.
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Again, the police where investigating, which is what they are supposed to be doing.
 
Redress said:
Again, the police where investigating, which is what they are supposed to be doing.
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I heard ya, I just know police tend to equate not doing ****, with investigating.

The parents were doing what they felt was protecting their child, which is what they are supposed to do.

Government disagrees.
 
Phys251 said:
I thought the Right believed in innocent-until-proven-guilty? Have you changed your mind?
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They had proof...his comments to their daughter.
 
Redress said:
Here is the key phrase where they went wrong:



That is not the right way to handle it, and you cannot invite some one to your house and then assault them, no matter what you might think they may want to do. What she did was understandable, but a crime nonetheless.
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When we had a convicted child molester move in two houses down from us (not child molester, but high ranking neo-Nazi scumbag), we went house around our neighborhood and let every parent who had kids know that he there. He had set up his house with lots of games and stuff that young boys like and was inviting the boys in. Had a couple of interesting encounters with him, since he didn't like our approach. He even went so far as to bring the local PD into it and they pointedly told him that waht we did was not only legal, but was what they liked to see happen. Then we got into a discussion about the neo-Nazi tats he had and when he claimed to be "just good wood" (soldier), I pointed out a tat he wore that indicated that he was a shot-caller. That was when the discussion ended...
 
Redress said:
Again, the police where investigating, which is what they are supposed to be doing.
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"They wouldn't even look at my phone. They just said to block him and forget it," she said.

Yeah, as a parent, I wouldn't accept that from the police either.
 
Redress said:
That is not the right way to handle it, and you cannot invite some one to your house and then assault them, no matter what you might think they may want to do. What she did was understandable, but a crime nonetheless.
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Yup, if you want to do this, you need to use Chris Hansen.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The lesson that I see, is that the rights and freedoms that US citizens have protected by our Constitution are once again proven to be rare even in advanced and "enlightened" first world countries, and we should selfishly protect them and our Constitution.

15 to 20 minutes for the Mounties to arrive, and they're going to charge the family that lived in that house with assault for restraining the guy until the Mounties arrived? That's shameful.

EDIT: See my next post below. The original above left for honesty.
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If you have invited the person to enter your home, even under false pretenses, you gave away your right to protect your home unless you caught the person in the actual act. Sorry but prior TO actually undressing, that person is nothing more than an INVITED GUEST in your home unless you can show cause that they made threatening statements or made other threatening actions. The INVITE is the key to it all.

I am a huge believer in the castle doctrine, and I own firearms.
People who enter my home without my knowledge or permission are taking a chance with their bodily safety, and I am within my rights but had this been my daughter, the only communication I would have made to this guy would be to warn him to stay away from our home, or he would "be the first to be detained for police and possibly shot as an uninvited trespasser."

Inviting such a person to my home is possibly the stupidest thing imaginable unless you are a sworn officer.
Those "To Catch a Predator" shows are ALL done WITH the cooperation of law enforcement, each and every time.
 
ChezC3 said:
But with his presence at the house that makes it more than an accusation, no?

I mean, I can be accused of a being a pot head, with that being one thing but it's another when I'm caught smoking a J...
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NO!! All he had done, according to what I read, was ENTER the house.
He hadn't taken off his clothing, he hadn't made any statements that he was there to have sex with anyone, he was just IN the house, INVITED.

This is where the actual "STUPID" occurs...THE INVITE.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
NO!! All he had done, according to what I read, was ENTER the house.
He hadn't taken off his clothing, he hadn't made any statements that he was there to have sex with anyone, he was just IN the house, INVITED.

This is where the actual "STUPID" occurs...THE INVITE.
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In an interview with CTV News Friday, the mother, who is not being identified to protect the identity of her daughter, alleged she'd noticed explicit messages being sent to her daughter's Instagram account, which is controlled from her phone, about six weeks before the incident. She said she'd been trying to get the police involved since.
"They wouldn't even look at my phone. They just said to block him and forget it," she said. "I've been waiting for six weeks for the police to give me a name behind the Instagram account."
Desperate for a solution, she said she posed as her daughter and messaged the man to invite him to her home.
"I just didn't know what else to do," she said. "I knew that Friday's coming…and if it is who I thought it was, then he needed to be stopped."
The mother said she asked police to come to her home before the man arrived, hopeful that "they would go meet this guy and catch him so that I didn't have to do anything," but claimed authorities wouldn't help.
She said she confronted the man as he made his way to her daughter's room, punching him before the girl's stepfather and another man restrained him.
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I suppose he was going to the girl's room to measure for drapes...
 
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