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Conrad Black says Trudeau is Fluffy Nonsense

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Conrad Black: Canadians crave an identity, not this fluffy nonsense from Trudeau
Canada requires government than can inspire the people and impress the world with serious concepts of national purpose. Instead, we get slogans and self-regard

Canada requires government that can inspire the people and impress the world with serious concepts of national purpose and physical projects of impressive scale, like Canada itself: Canadian Pacific, the St. Lawrence Seaway, great hydro-electric dams from Niagara to Manicouagan, and even the Montreal World’s Fair. Costumed naval-gazing, endless debate about daycare, and robotic repetition of the pieties of gender equality were not what inspired the builders of this country, and will not get us to the place of excellence where we belong. It won’t even help us export steel and aluminum to the U.S.
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Conrad Black: Canadians crave an identity, not this fluffy nonsense from Trudeau | National Post


Conrad Black: Mr. Trudeau, if he can, should get serious about running this country
Forsake the selfies and 'victims.' It’s not too late to produce some real and not pretended leadership in a desirable rather than merely trendy direction
The resulting farrago of contrived federal government munificence toward complainant groups has essentially been a substitute for real policy these 29 months of this government. It has now caught up with them. The budget last week contained hundreds of invocations of the word “gender” as if it were a sex manual for pubescent youth and not the supposed fiscal blueprint for the federal government. The budget did not address the deficit, the over-taxed condition of almost every income-earner in the country, or the implications of moving determinedly from half the rate of U.S. economic growth this year to a third of it next year, while all income-tax brackets and corporations in Canada pay a higher rate of taxes than their American analogues.

In Cromwellian terms, instead of “addressing the nation’s grievances,” the government is well along toward becoming “its greatest grievance.” The government has loaded all its political freight on the rickety wagon of political correctness: demonstrably absurd propositions about the environment, gender issues, and native people. It won’t fly, but it’s not too late to become serious and produce some real and not pretended leadership in a desirable rather than merely trendy direction.
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Conrad Black: Mr. Trudeau, if he can, should get serious about running this country | National Post

Is this anything close to the majority view, either in Canada or elsewhere?
 
well, nationalism begets nationalism & we are seeing that political climate spread as a result of the past 18 months

division is growing, everywhere, and we know who is responsible ..............
 
Yes, lets all listen to the convicted fraudster.

If anyone would like to see Conrad getting his ass handed to him:



Kind of Trumpish in his perception of reality isn't he?
 
cuban smokes said:
well, nationalism begets nationalism & we are seeing that political climate spread as a result of the past 18 months

division is growing, everywhere, and we know who is responsible ..............
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Somebody was here recently saying that Canada is moving towards Trumpism as they call it....but you know down here we care so little about Canada that it is hard to hear anything.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Yes, lets all listen to the convicted fraudster.

If anyone would like to see Conrad getting his ass handed to him:



Kind of Trumpish in his perception of reality isn't he?
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We Truth Tellers are all about the ideas rather than the speakers.

I fully understand that you might not know anything about that sort of thing,
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Conrad Black: Canadians crave an identity, not this fluffy nonsense from Trudeau
Canada requires government than can inspire the people and impress the world with serious concepts of national purpose. Instead, we get slogans and self-regard


Conrad Black: Canadians crave an identity, not this fluffy nonsense from Trudeau | National Post


Conrad Black: Mr. Trudeau, if he can, should get serious about running this country
Forsake the selfies and 'victims.' It’s not too late to produce some real and not pretended leadership in a desirable rather than merely trendy direction

Conrad Black: Mr. Trudeau, if he can, should get serious about running this country | National Post

Is this anything close to the majority view, either in Canada or elsewhere?
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Not in my neighbourhood.
I nearly sat out the election, wasn't a fan of Trudeau 2.0, but the Conservative attack ads pissed me off so I voted.
He's got my support, and I tried not to get on the bandwagon.
I guarantee, though, that if the relationship with Trump deteriorates his approval here will go through the roof.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We Truth Tellers
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Hawkeye10 said:
Somebody was here recently saying that Canada is moving towards Trumpism as they call it....but you know down here we care so little about Canada that it is hard to hear anything.
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You started this thread. Was that you, not caring about what Canada thinks?
Friggin' stupidity...
 
Grand Mal said:
Not in my neighbourhood.
I nearly sat out the election, wasn't a fan of Trudeau 2.0, but the Conservative attack ads pissed me off so I voted.
He's got my support, and I tried not to get on the bandwagon.
I guarantee, though, that if the relationship with Trump deteriorates his approval here will go through the roof.
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I assume you consume Canadian Media and Canadian ideas....is this tone of Blacks something that you hear around on a regular basis?
 
Grand Mal said:
You started this thread. Was that you, not caring about what Canada thinks?
Friggin' stupidity...
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I am really sad to see this jumping to wrong conclusions and then being rude about as you do it when you yourself figure out that your idea is stupid.

Since I am most definitely not stupid you should know or at least suspect that you are on the wrong track.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am really sad to see this jumping to wrong conclusions and then being rude about as you do it when you yourself figure out that your idea is stupid.

Since I am most definitely not stupid you should know or at least suspect that you are on the wrong track.
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If you care so little about Canada, why are you here asking for Canadian's opinions? That's called trolling,
If you really want to know, Conrad Black isn't thought highly of in Canada. He's considered, by our standards, radical-right and didn't improve his image here (which bothers him not the least) when he renounced his Canadian citizenship so he could accept a British peerage. Which makes the opinions of Baron Whatever pretty irrelevant. I'm a little surprised anyone asked him, tell you the truth. 'Course, the National Post is the first home of Mark Steyn, so there you are.
As for Trudeau, he seems to be moving up in the ratings. That's on Trump more than Trudeau. Canadians, nearly all of them, approve of defying Trump's belligerence.
As for Trumpism, don't get too excited about that jackass Ford in Ontario. He'll lead his party to one, maybe two defeats and be tossed over the side. Celebrity doesn't excite Canadians like it does Americans, and it's just the Conservative Party in one province.
 
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Grand Mal said:
If you care so little about Canada, why are you here asking for Canadian's opinions? That's called trolling,
If you really want to know, Conrad Black isn't thought highly of in Canada. He's considered, by our standards, radical-right and didn't improve his image here (which bothers him not the least) when he renounced his Canadian citizenship so he could accept a British peerage. Which makes the opinions of Baron Whatever pretty irrelevant. I'm a little surprised anyone asked him, tell you the truth. 'Course, the National Post is the first home of Mark Steyn, so there you are.
As for Trudeau, he seems to be moving up in the ratings. That's on Trump more than Trudeau. Canadians, nearly all of them, approve of defying Trump's belligerence.
As for Trumpism, don't get too excited about that jackass Ford in Ontario. He'll lead his party to one, maybe two defeats and be tossed over the side. Celebrity doesn't excite Canadians like it does Americans, and it's just the Conservative Party in one province.
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We with "we" representing Americans care so little about Canada that we hear almost nothing about Canada, because no one cares was what I was saying.

If I go to all the trouble to make such an excellent thread with all kinds of opportunities to learn than I do care.

I am an exception that makes the rule.

OBVIOUSLY
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Conrad Black: Canadians crave an identity, not this fluffy nonsense from Trudeau
Canada requires government than can inspire the people and impress the world with serious concepts of national purpose. Instead, we get slogans and self-regard


Conrad Black: Canadians crave an identity, not this fluffy nonsense from Trudeau | National Post


Conrad Black: Mr. Trudeau, if he can, should get serious about running this country
Forsake the selfies and 'victims.' It’s not too late to produce some real and not pretended leadership in a desirable rather than merely trendy direction

Conrad Black: Mr. Trudeau, if he can, should get serious about running this country | National Post

Is this anything close to the majority view, either in Canada or elsewhere?
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No, well, not where I live.
Aggressive, divisive, politics are not well received here.
Trudeau is.....IMO too young and too caught up in being politically correct, but I do not think he is
Mean spirited and truly has good intentions. I prefer him to Harper, although Harper had the Jack Van Impe hair thing going on. That was weirdly comforting.
Conrad Black's opinion does not count for much anymore.
Greed got the better of him.
 
You are going to listen to a convicted criminal?
 
Grand Mal said:
If you care so little about Canada, why are you here asking for Canadian's opinions? That's called trolling,
If you really want to know, Conrad Black isn't thought highly of in Canada. He's considered, by our standards, radical-right and didn't improve his image here (which bothers him not the least) when he renounced his Canadian citizenship so he could accept a British peerage. Which makes the opinions of Baron Whatever pretty irrelevant. I'm a little surprised anyone asked him, tell you the truth. 'Course, the National Post is the first home of Mark Steyn, so there you are.
As for Trudeau, he seems to be moving up in the ratings. That's on Trump more than Trudeau. Canadians, nearly all of them, approve of defying Trump's belligerence.
As for Trumpism, don't get too excited about that jackass Ford in Ontario. He'll lead his party to one, maybe two defeats and be tossed over the side. Celebrity doesn't excite Canadians like it does Americans, and it's just the Conservative Party in one province.
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Hold on a minute there. First of all, as this is an open forum, Americans can express interest in Canadian politics. I salute Hawkeye for having such an interest. Second, Black is still well respected in parts of Canada where we do not spend our time out in the fields blissfully picking Liberty Bells, and do not try to walk out on business deals. Third, "Pixey-Dust" is done. I don't know where you get your ideas from...perhaps too much Liberty Bell tea?...but in the parts of Canada where we know what day it is today, he and his wishy-washy horse kaka...are done. Forth, Ford leads in the provincial election polls quite comfortably. Fiscal conservatism and common sense is making a grand comeback in our nation. You should acclimatize yourself to that idea.

Maybe you want to head out to the beach, eat some 'shroomies' and watch the whale migration while you ponder reality a bit?
 
Buzz62 said:
Hold on a minute there. First of all, as this is an open forum, Americans can express interest in Canadian politics. I salute Hawkeye for having such an interest. Second, Black is still well respected in parts of Canada where we do not spend our time out in the fields blissfully picking Liberty Bells, and do not try to walk out on business deals. Third, "Pixey-Dust" is done. I don't know where you get your ideas from...perhaps too much Liberty Bell tea?...but in the parts of Canada where we know what day it is today, he and his wishy-washy horse kaka...are done. Forth, Ford leads in the provincial election polls quite comfortably. Fiscal conservatism and common sense is making a grand comeback in our nation. You should acclimatize yourself to that idea.

Maybe you want to head out to the beach, eat some 'shroomies' and watch the whale migration while you ponder reality a bit?
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Ford per his own platform is not at all a fiscal conservative; the only thing he has said which even touches upon balancing the budget and his tax cuts is the ominously vague mention of 'finding efficiencies', whatever that means.
 
Ah Justin Trudeau. "Peoplekind" really?
 
Buzz62 said:
Hold on a minute there. First of all, as this is an open forum, Americans can express interest in Canadian politics. I salute Hawkeye for having such an interest. Second, Black is still well respected in parts of Canada where we do not spend our time out in the fields blissfully picking Liberty Bells, and do not try to walk out on business deals. Third, "Pixey-Dust" is done. I don't know where you get your ideas from...perhaps too much Liberty Bell tea?...but in the parts of Canada where we know what day it is today, he and his wishy-washy horse kaka...are done. Forth, Ford leads in the provincial election polls quite comfortably. Fiscal conservatism and common sense is making a grand comeback in our nation. You should acclimatize yourself to that idea.

Maybe you want to head out to the beach, eat some 'shroomies' and watch the whale migration while you ponder reality a bit?
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Ohferchristsakes.
First, my reply to Hawkeye was about him asking for Canadians opinions and three posts later saying, "...we care so little about Canada...". That was discussed between him and I, and I don't think he'd thank you for sticking up for him.
Second, if Black is well respected where you live my best guess is that your day starts with lining up for the little paper cup with your initials on it. Ever since he renounced his Canadian citizenship, I don't know anyone who'd use the word 'respect' in a sentence with his name in it. I forget, did he keep his peerage after his conviction? Probably, but I bet his seat in the Lords was forfeit. Pretty sure he's been removed from the Order of Canada, too.
Third, I don't know who you think I am or where I live or what I do, but it sure sounds like that sticky stack of R. Crumb comic books has been occupying your attention for too long.
 
Surrealistik said:
Ford per his own platform is not at all a fiscal conservative; the only thing he has said which even touches upon balancing the budget and his tax cuts is the ominously vague mention of 'finding efficiencies', whatever that means.
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It means what it says. Look up the words in a dictionary, and put them together. You'll get it...
 
Buzz62 said:
It means what it says. Look up the words in a dictionary, and put them together. You'll get it...
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Fiscal conservatism is about offsetting lower taxes with lower expenditures and working to reduce/arrest government debts and deficits; something its proponents term, 'fiscal responsibility': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism

What Doug promises to do thus far is not that.
 
Grand Mal said:
Ohferchristsakes.
First, my reply to Hawkeye was about him asking for Canadians opinions and three posts later saying, "...we care so little about Canada...". That was discussed between him and I, and I don't think he'd thank you for sticking up for him.
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You don't think? OK...
Grand Mal said:
Second, if Black is well respected where you live my best guess is that your day starts with lining up for the little paper cup with your initials on it. Ever since he renounced his Canadian citizenship, I don't know anyone who'd use the word 'respect' in a sentence with his name in it. I forget, did he keep his peerage after his conviction? Probably, but I bet his seat in the Lords was forfeit. Pretty sure he's been removed from the Order of Canada, too.
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He is respected enough to write for the National Post. How many nationally distributed new papers do you write for? And yes, he still maintains his peerage.
Grand Mal said:
Third, I don't know who you think I am or where I live or what I do, but it sure sounds like that sticky stack of R. Crumb comic books has been occupying your attention for too long.
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I'm not sure what R. Crumb comic books are. Haven't indulged that childish media for a long time now. You seem to be well acquainted with it though. Do tell?
 
Buzz62 said:
How so?
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Because as I said, the only way he proposed to pay for his tax cut give away is 'finding efficiencies'; which strikes me as either weasel words for not actually doing anything significant in terms of reigning in expenditures (as in the case of his brother who found at best minor savings while he blew countless millions; pennywise, poundfoolish), or making cuts he can't specify as this would end him politically (such as to education or healthcare).
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We with "we" representing Americans care so little about Canada that we hear almost nothing about Canada, because no one cares was what I was saying.

If I go to all the trouble to make such an excellent thread with all kinds of opportunities to learn than I do care.

I am an exception that makes the rule.

OBVIOUSLY
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Careful you do not throw out a should slapping yourself on the back, or you jaw talking about how great you are, or bone splinters from typing words of self praise.
 
JANFU said:
Careful you do not throw out a should slapping yourself on the back, or you jaw talking about how great you are, or bone splinters from typing words of self praise.
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I will be fine, I am always at least fine, but Thank You for your concern!

:2wave:
 
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