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Ford Wins Progressinve Conservative Leadership in Ontario

OlNate said:
Why are you happy? You numbskulls just assured Wynne the victory... All the Liberals who are sick of her and would have voted for a moderate conservative just went "Whelp, hells no to that, guess I'm sticking with Wynne". I know I did!

Furthermore, you just helped "Pixey-Dust", as the division that will now ensue as a result of the conservatives picking the most divisive leader they possibly could will serve as an example and a reminder as to why we gave the Conservatives the boot at the federal level.

Short sighted dumbassery. If it would have been Elliot, I would have voted PC this time around, and campaigned like a MF for her. Now the opposite is true. This is in line with what my entire FB feed is saying... I love you guys on the Right, I really do, but holy **** the stupid runs a thick streak through you guys.
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I hate Ford, but frankly I do not think I can vote for Wynn,e I do not like the job she is doing. I think I might just vote for the NDP. Yeah, they likely won't win, but frankly I do not like either of the Tory or Liberal choices in this cycle. Sometimes you have to vote for your beliefs.
 
Yes_Minister said:
I hate Ford, but frankly I do not think I can vote for Wynn,e I do not like the job she is doing. I think I might just vote for the NDP. Yeah, they likely won't win, but frankly I do not like either of the Tory or Liberal choices in this cycle. Sometimes you have to vote for your beliefs.
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I hear ya, it's a **** show of a decision. The only reason I'm voting for Wynne is because I don't want Doug Ford to win. I think I've said this before, but the only real hope I have for this to actually turn out ok for Ontario is if the Liberals or NDP win with a minority. These parties need to learn to work together, and you know that if any one party gets the majority it will be four years of them telling everyone else to **** off. Had Elliot won, I'd probably be rooting for a PC minority. But Doug would bring a level of divisiveness that we just do not need. At least if they win a minority there's a chance the Liberals and NDP can pull a non confidence coup.

That all said, and after a bit of thought, it's not out of the question that Wynne has bungled things so badly that a populist movement could succeed in Ontario, and as much as I hate the thought of it, the OLP only have themselves to blame. If nothing else, I like the guy's stance on the pot market, as much as I hate pretty much everything else, so it won't be a complete loss...hehe... Who knew you'd be able to say that about the Conservatives...lol... I'm just not looking forward to the four years of horse**** from alt-right loud mouths if the guy runs away with it. Anybody who didn't support Ford will never hear the end of it, even if they didn't like Wynne. :roll:
 
I will be voting as needed to make sure the Conservatives stay out of governance, with a preference for the NDP; that's not to say that I disagree with all things Tory, and Ford has some good ideas such as liberalizing sales of weed/marijuana, but then he has outright retarded ones, like a wholesale repeal of the foreign buyer tax which has been thus far successful at slowly and steadily deflating the Toronto real estate bubble.
 
Doug Ford rally:






"it's not about being red or being blue....it's not about being PC, Liberal or NDP........it's about turning this province around, and getting it back on track."
 
tosca1 said:
"it's not about being red or being blue....it's not about being PC, Liberal or NDP........it's about turning this province around, and getting it back on track."
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And as much as I'm not a fan of Wynne, I don't think he's the one to do it; that aside, though it's clearly in a desperate, last ditch attempt to court votes and not out of conviction, she's been getting a lot of policy right lately. Too little too late in my view however, particularly in light of the NDP platform.

Speaking of which, I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised by Doug's policies, though apparently they haven't changed at all from his predecessor's save in undesirable ways like the elimination of the foreign buyer tax and the proposed carbon tax to replace cap and trade (so even as he derides Wynne for being fiscally irresponsible on spending, he's about to do essentially the same thing albeit with tax cuts, nevermind the non-monetary effects of those policies).

I assume you will be voting for him despite his more liberal stance on marijuana sale and distribution?
 
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Surrealistik said:
And as much as I'm not a fan of Wynne, I don't think he's the one to do it; that aside, though it's clearly in a desperate, last ditch attempt to court votes and not out of conviction, she's been getting a lot of policy right lately. Too little too late in my view however, particularly in light of the NDP platform.

Speaking of which, I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised by Doug's policies, though apparently they haven't changed at all from his predecessor's save in undesirable ways like the elimination of the foreign buyer tax and the proposed carbon tax to replace cap and trade (so even as he derides Wynne for being fiscally irresponsible on spending, he's about to do essentially the same thing albeit with tax cuts, nevermind the non-monetary effects of those policies).

I assume you will be voting for him despite his more liberal stance on marijuana sale and distribution?
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Marijuana sales (which will be legalize anyway, ready or not), isn't the immediate concern.
Why we're now talking about that - thanks to Liberal Trudeau.
 
OlNate said:
I don't think either of us are in disagreement about Kathleen Wynne. Despite putting forward some initiatives that I personally agree with, that were on the more progressive side, it was too little too late, and didn't do much in terms of erasing the gaffes and missteps of the past. On this we are aligned, and as I said, if Elliot got the party leadership, I'd be voting for her in June.

But for me it comes down to: you don't clean up crap with crap. The damage is already done, the results are mixed, and a lot of improvements have been made in her most recent term. If I compare that trend with Doug Ford's general and consistent track record of being a complete ****ing asshole in every conceivable way, I'll take the bitch for four more years, given no other option...again, hoping mightily for a minority win.

Buzz, I feel like you and I agree on more than we disagree on, and I appreciate the chat. It's been a discouraging week, and while I'm afraid for our province in the following months, and the division that is sure to take place, I have a lot of sympathy for both sides of the debate, given what a gong show "my guy", or gal, I guess, has been. I just hope that those of us who tend to be the loudest in the debates speak up for good policy, and call out divisive tactics, no matter what side they come from. I know you know Ford will be a disastrous prick, regardless of the fact that he's "your guy", in the same way I can be honest about "mine". If Doug Ford wins, which I am by no means ruling out, I'll be sure to give him vocal props for every good bit of policy he puts forward.
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It may be that here on the left coast some news just washes out to see.....but I have to ask, are there are conservatives anywhere?

For the life of me I cannot remember the name of the federal Leader, and don't care much since his biggest plank is "tough on crime".

What I have heard of the FORDS, and particularly this one, I'd say you're dealing with Trump light, same self destructive impulses but a much much shorter fall.
 
tosca1 said:
Doug Ford rally:






"it's not about being red or being blue....it's not about being PC, Liberal or NDP........it's about turning this province around, and getting it back on track."
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Already we have imitation of Trump. Does he talk like this all the time or is this "Trump mode?"

Just another overweight white guy with an attitude
 
Fearandloathing said:
It may be that here on the left coast some news just washes out to see.....but I have to ask, are there are conservatives anywhere?

For the life of me I cannot remember the name of the federal Leader, and don't care much since his biggest plank is "tough on crime".

What I have heard of the FORDS, and particularly this one, I'd say you're dealing with Trump light, same self destructive impulses but a much much shorter fall.
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Trump lite is a pretty good summation.

Unfortunately Wynne has been such a disaster until very recently that he may well win; it's almost a perfect 1 : 1 of the 2016 presidential election with two horrible frontrunners, except there's a viable third party (NDP is behind but only slightly, being basically on par with the Liberals per polling).
 
Surrealistik said:
Trump lite is a pretty good summation.

Unfortunately Wynne has been such a disaster until very recently that he may well win; it's almost a perfect 1 : 1 of the 2016 presidential election with two horrible frontrunners, except there's a viable third party (NDP is behind but only slightly, being basically on par with the Liberals per polling).
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Don't throw the baby out with the bath water

Now is not the time to have a combative premier in any province; we are facing the war of our existence and we will need everyone on the same page if we are to win against the Americans.

And DO NOT for a second allow yourself to think 'verything's going to be OK. Trump is out to destroy whatever he can and we are right beside Mexico on his enemies list.

Ford is stupid, he will try to make buddies with Trump etc. and lose his shirt AND underwear.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water

Now is not the time to have a combative premier in any province; we are facing the war of our existence and we will need everyone on the same page if we are to win against the Americans.

And DO NOT for a second allow yourself to think 'verything's going to be OK. Trump is out to destroy whatever he can and we are right beside Mexico on his enemies list.

Ford is stupid, he will try to make buddies with Trump etc. and lose his shirt AND underwear.
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I don't think you have to worry about me; as stated previously and elsewhere, I will do what it takes to keep him out of office; Wynne is bad, Doug is worse. However, my lean is towards the NDP unquestionably; if they look stronger and have the better chance of winning, I will vote my conscience. Alternately, if the polling says I have to vote strategically and go Liberal, then that's what I'll do.

That said, FPTP is a ****ing blight, and if it weren't for it, PCs would never govern again.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It may be that here on the left coast some news just washes out to see.....but I have to ask, are there are conservatives anywhere?

For the life of me I cannot remember the name of the federal Leader, and don't care much since his biggest plank is "tough on crime".

What I have heard of the FORDS, and particularly this one, I'd say you're dealing with Trump light, same self destructive impulses but a much much shorter fall.
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hehe...I'd say Trump took pages out of the Ford book of politics, these guys were populist long before Trump came on the scene, and to Rob Ford's credit he was able to drive some real efficiencies in Toronto, with one initiative saving $100 million alone.

But, ya, we're in for a tough go. Rob was always the better brother, despite his alcoholism and poor judgement in friends and, well, the whole crack thing. Doug was an enabler and didn't get along with anyone.

It's not going to be pretty, but I think despite that he will win, because Wynne has been such a disaster. But, that said, she was a disaster the last time around too, and Toronto, who, again, decides all these elections for the rest of us, gave her a majority.

Basically there are no good options. My only hope is that whoever wins (I really don't care at this point) does so with a minority, in which case all these melon heads will either learn to work together and accomplish something, or they will create such a level of frustration that the Green Party or even the NDP (provided they actually come up with some realistic policy) will get a kick at the can. It really couldn't get much worse, so ... ya. Hurray Ontario politics.

As for Scheer, the federal conservative leader...he's basically a smiling Harper, no other difference that I can see. You would think that after the thrashing Harper earned them, the CPC would take a different tack, but...well, since they dropped the "Progressive" from their name, they haven't exactly been the most in touch party.
 
Ford is what politicos call a HOAG – a Hell Of A Guy. He’s the guy you can have a beer with, the guy without pretensions, the guy who will take your call when you need help.

HOAGs are an old breed in politics – former Ontario premier Mike Harris was a HOAG, the late Alberta Ralph Klein was a HOAG, even former Prime Minister Jean Chretien — “le p’tit gars de Shawinigan” — was a HOAG.

HOAGs do well when running against “elites,” which is exactly how Ford positioned himself in the leadership – and which he will continue to do running against Wynne.
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That's why he won the PC leadership race.
That's why according to pundits, Wynne campaign team fears him as an opponent.
 
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Carjosse said:
Ford is nothing but a dangerous socially conservative populist and no one in their right mind should support him. He could not even manage municipal politics, how is he going to manage provincial?
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He's our own Donald Trump.
 
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