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Strict gun Control in Canada eh?

So...you can get a "religious exemption" for a firearms permit/ID in Canada, that exempts you from having your uncovered photo on said ID. Then you can buy a Canada legal gun without evening ever showing your face. :shock: You cant even do that here, WTH????



Slingshot Bob:

Yes it is real but has very little to do with Muslims.

Firearms Licences Regulations

The SOR code at the end of section 14.2 means that the law was last amended in 2004 by the Liberal Government under Prime Minister Paul Martin. But the exemption is much older than that and was probably originally adopted as an accommodation for certain Christian and First Nations communities who had firearms before Canada started licensing them but who objected to photos. They were sort of "grandfathered in" and now the exemption can apply to other religious minorities as Canada's demographics change.

It really isn't that big of a deal. When you buy a firearm or ammunition you show your Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) card and the clerk inputs your PAL#, your date of birth and the address on the PAL card. Then the items purchased are shipped to that address. The clerk may request corroborating ID if they think something is not right such as drivers licenses or Medicare cards to match the date of birth and the address to those on the PAL card. If you order firearms or ammunition online, you enter the same information and the vendor ships it to the address listed on the PAL card which is logged electronically and can be accessed by inputting the PAL# given by the purchaser. The photo on the card never comes into the online ordering process. If a vendor suspects something is wrong while you are either buying in person or online then the purchase is digitally flagged and delivery or pick-up is delayed until all concerns are addressed.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Takes my 37 year old self back to high school!.

By the way, at first glance you seem to be a rational conservative.
Enjoyed our back and forth, look forward to more of the same, cheers, mate ;)
 
Slingshot Bob:

Yes it is real but has very little to do with Muslims.

Firearms Licences Regulations

The SOR code at the end of section 14.2 means that the law was last amended in 2004 by the Liberal Government under Prime Minister Paul Martin. But the exemption is much older than that and was probably originally adopted as an accommodation for certain Christian and First Nations communities who had firearms before Canada started licensing them but who objected to photos. They were sort of "grandfathered in" and now the exemption can apply to other religious minorities as Canada's demographics change.

It really isn't that big of a deal. When you buy a firearm or ammunition you show your PAL card and the clerk inputs your PAL#, your date of birth and the address on the PAL card. Then the items purchased are shipped to that address. The clerk may request corroborating ID if they think something is not right such as drivers licenses or Medicare cards to match the date of birth and the address to those on the PAL card. If you order firearms or ammunition online, you enter the same information and the vendor ships it to the address listed on the PAL card which is logged electronically and can be accessed by inputting the PAL# given by the purchaser. The photo on the card never comes into the online ordering process. If a vendor suspects something is wrong while you are either buying in person or online then the purchase is digitally flagged and delivery or pick-up is delayed until all concerns are addressed.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Thanks for that!
 
Slingshot Bob:

Yes it is real but has very little to do with Muslims.

Firearms Licences Regulations

The SOR code at the end of section 14.2 means that the law was last amended in 2004 by the Liberal Government under Prime Minister Paul Martin. But the exemption is much older than that and was probably originally adopted as an accommodation for certain Christian and First Nations communities who had firearms before Canada started licensing them but who objected to photos. They were sort of "grandfathered in" and now the exemption can apply to other religious minorities as Canada's demographics change.

It really isn't that big of a deal. When you buy a firearm or ammunition you show your PAL card and the clerk inputs your PAL#, your date of birth and the address on the PAL card. Then the items purchased are shipped to that address. The clerk may request corroborating ID if they think something is not right such as drivers licenses or Medicare cards to match the date of birth and the address to those on the PAL card. If you order firearms or ammunition online, you enter the same information and the vendor ships it to the address listed on the PAL card which is logged electronically and can be accessed by inputting the PAL# given by the purchaser. The photo on the card never comes into the online ordering process. If a vendor suspects something is wrong while you are either buying in person or online then the purchase is digitally flagged and delivery or pick-up is delayed until all concerns are addressed.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

If I take all you say at face value, and there's no reason why I shouldn't, it still comes down to the notion that requiring at least some photo is probably a damn good idea, but not JUST a photo. I would go further and ask that two types of biometrics be included with at least one being human readable.

On a personal level, and having nothing to do with anything really, I am not a huge fan of online ordering for firearms.
For me, I don't mind wandering into an actual physical gun store.
Perhaps in outlying rural parts of Canada there's maybe good reason for online ordering, but outside of that, I feel better if that is kept down to a dull roar for most typical buyers. They can go to a damn gun store, LOL.

But that's just me, and I could be wrong ;)
 
If I take all you say at face value, and there's no reason why I shouldn't, it still comes down to the notion that requiring at least some photo is probably a damn good idea, but not JUST a photo. I would go further and ask that two types of biometrics be included with at least one being human readable.

On a personal level, and having nothing to do with anything really, I am not a huge fan of online ordering for firearms.
For me, I don't mind wandering into an actual physical gun store.
Perhaps in outlying rural parts of Canada there's maybe good reason for online ordering, but outside of that, I feel better if that is kept down to a dull roar for most typical buyers. They can go to a damn gun store, LOL.

But that's just me, and I could be wrong ;)

My only two guns are cap n ball, blackpowder revolvers, I even cast my lead ball. I have no plans to get rid of them, nor do I ever plan on acquiring more arms. I never even store them loaded. I killed a hog once, see my thread "hog hunt" was a beutifull day! P1010054 (1).JPG


Actually, "pig hunt"
 
My only two guns are cap n ball, blackpowder revolvers, I even cast my lead ball. I have no plans to get rid of them, nor do I ever plan on acquiring more arms. I never even store them loaded. I killed a hog once, see my thread "hog hunt" was a beutifull day! View attachment 67229571

I wonder if I could even shoot something like that, probably not.

I own an old Makarov, an even older Winchester hunting rifle and an even older shotgun, and I don't even remember what it is anymore because it's really in too poor a shape to really be very useful. I suppose I should bring it to the gun shop and see if it's even worth some TLC, because it spent years in mostly outdoor conditions in Minnesota.
It might not even be safe anymore.

The Winchester is in decent shape, so really it's all about the Mak for home defense and if I ever go hunting again, the Winchester. For me they are useful appliances.
 
By the way, at first glance you seem to be a rational conservative.
Enjoyed our back and forth, look forward to more of the same, cheers, mate ;)
I found it!

Pig hunt.
I prepared for this hunt first, with a prayer of success and thanksgiving (critically important, to me).

The peace river is not very far from my house and I often used to walk the bank for miles. Saw big sounders of hogs a few times. Tracks everywhere. Freezer got kinda empty a couple years ago, so I thought popping a piggy was a fine idea. I gathered up supplies, a bowie knife, a small knife, a nylon (body) bag *sleeping bag, bag* and last but not least, my 1858 new model army clone.

Kissed the wife goodbye as she wished me luck. Figured I would have to walk downriver a couple miles, but I only walked about 600 yards and across the river a hundred yards up, low and behold there were 2 big hogs. I walked abreast of them to get a shot from just standing on the far bank, but they went behind a slough channel the airboats made. I walk back down about a hundred yards and crossed the river (only about 2 ft deep in the dry season).

I start creeping down the bank. My wet croc sandals were squeeking, so I kicked them off and went barefoot. I get to where I seen them go over the slough bank, and raise up for a peek, there they were about 80 to 100 ft away! I raise the pistol and commence with the hostilities. I fired at center mass, they did not move, I fired at hog #1 the second shot. Now they move and I have a shot at#2.

I knew the gun was shooting high, so I aim at the ground under the belly of # 2 and fired again. They both ran up a ridge, hog #2 makes it 15 ft and hits the ground, squeals real loud twice and goes still. I wait about 2 minutes before approaching (thick brush up that ridge, wanted to see if it was down and hog #1 was not hanging around for vengeance). I walk up and poke at it with the bowie knife, no reaction. I still put another round, angling down thru the neck, for good measure.

I call my wife, "I got one" *you what?* "You heard me, I GOT ONE!"

I cut the head and feet off with the bowie knife and gutted it laying on the ground, Every time I grabbed the hind legs and raised it up, about a quart of blood gushed out. A .451 133gr round lead ball, went high behind the shoulder, punched thru a rib put a hole thru both lungs and lodged just under the hide on the far side (still have it, for the memories) I put the field dressed carcass in the bag and carried it across the river. I guesstimate it was a 140 pound hog before field dressing.

I carried it back to my bike about 600 yards and had someone help put it in my lap and I pedaled it about 2 miles home, hung in a tree and skinned it, cut it down the middle with a hacksaw then cut it in quarters and took it in the house and finished my hackjob and what would not fit in the freezer, I gave to the neighbors.

I was running on adrenalin and was sore for days, shooting it was the easy part. But I WANTED that pig and damned if I was gonna fail. here is a pic of my recumbent cycle I fabricated. I pedaled home with it in my lap. My wife and friends would ask "what cut of pork are we eating" *me* "damned if I know, all I know is bacon comes from the belly and ham from the ass, you're eating dead pig".

First big game animal I ever killed, and with a pistol, no less. I was awful proud but I know the pre hunt prayer was the ticket

In some circles I am known as Chief two rabbits, awfull handy with a slingshot, I am!

And in case you were wondering, yes it was legal. You can legally shoot on the river as long as your bullet does not go on private property or shoot across the river (you can shoot from a boat or standing in the river) Hogs are feral and no season or bag limit. Here is a pic of the peace (not where I hunted) I had no camera that day.View attachment 67228255View attachment 67228256
 
I wonder if I could even shoot something like that, probably not.

I own an old Makarov, an even older Winchester hunting rifle and an even older shotgun, and I don't even remember what it is anymore because it's really in too poor a shape to really be very useful. I suppose I should bring it to the gun shop and see if it's even worth some TLC, because it spent years in mostly outdoor conditions in Minnesota.
It might not even be safe anymore.

The Winchester is in decent shape, so really it's all about the Mak for home defense and if I ever go hunting again, the Winchester. For me they are useful appliances.

Definitely get a good gunsmith to give the OK first! Mine are modern repros of guns predating the civil war. Bottom is an 1858 new model army, both .44's Bullet mold is a .451 (technically they are 45's but the loading lever jams the ball in the cylinder with a good deal of force, swaging a bit of lead off. (To seal the chamber to prevent chainfire, LOADS of fun!)

You first load loose powder down the cylinder throat, then seat a lead ball using the loading lever (built into the frame) then a #11 percussion cap is loaded onto each nipple at the back of each cylinder. Takes about 8 minutes to load, but you then have 6 rounds of 44 single action. A big PITA to clean, been almost a year since I shot them.

Black powder has a deep bass missing from modern guns, plus each shot creates a giant cloud of dense, white smoke and that smell....uhhhh, that smell!
 
I found it!

BWAAAHAHAHAHAA you would love it in East Texas. The feral hog population is so damn high it's actually a danger.
But they aren't anything like the 140 pounder you nabbed, most of them are in the 450+ range, and some occasional lunkers are almost 800 pounds, and they are MEAN as Hell.

But they ARE good eating!
Farmers are more than happy to let you roam around and shoot the feral hogs on their property if you set it up with them in advance and act reasonable and know what you're doing.

But you would definitely need something much more powerful.
I do not remember what kind of rifle was handed to me on the one feral hog hunt I went on but I do remember my shoulder talking to me the next day because we spent an hour or so getting familiar with our guns and by the time I got in a shot I was already sore. I didn't manage to take out a hog but I slowed one down enough for my more experienced buddy to take him down.
And I got a fair share of the pig belly to take home...YUMMMM.
It was Hell getting that beast into the bed of the truck I assure you he had to be about 400 pounds.
 
Definitely get a good gunsmith to give the OK first! Mine are modern repros of guns predating the civil war. Bottom is an 1858 new model army, both .44's Bullet mold is a .451 (technically they are 45's but the loading lever jams the ball in the cylinder with a good deal of force, swaging a bit of lead off. (To seal the chamber to prevent chainfire, LOADS of fun!)

You first load loose powder down the cylinder throat, then seat a lead ball using the loading lever (built into the frame) then a #11 percussion cap is loaded onto each nipple at the back of each cylinder. Takes about 8 minutes to load, but you then have 6 rounds of 44 single action. A big PITA to clean, been almost a year since I shot them.

Black powder has a deep bass missing from modern guns, plus each shot creates a giant cloud of dense, white smoke and that smell....uhhhh, that smell!

You're a real enthusiast. I am too damn lazy to do more than just load some clips, shove em into my pistol and go BANG, or load my rifle and squeeze the trigger and go BANG BANG. (LOL)
For me, it's about getting dinner efficiently or stopping an intruder with no fuss.
 
BWAAAHAHAHAHAA you would love it in East Texas. The feral hog population is so damn high it's actually a danger.
But they aren't anything like the 140 pounder you nabbed, most of them are in the 450+ range, and some occasional lunkers are almost 800 pounds, and they are MEAN as Hell.

But they ARE good eating!
Farmers are more than happy to let you roam around and shoot the feral hogs on their property if you set it up with them in advance and act reasonable and know what you're doing.

But you would definitely need something much more powerful.
I do not remember what kind of rifle was handed to me on the one feral hog hunt I went on but I do remember my shoulder talking to me the next day because we spent an hour or so getting familiar with our guns and by the time I got in a shot I was already sore. I didn't manage to take out a hog but I slowed one down enough for my more experienced buddy to take him down.
And I got a fair share of the pig belly to take home...YUMMMM.
It was Hell getting that beast into the bed of the truck I assure you he had to be about 400 pounds.

That's a monster! I would want be in a tree stand! Especially if they run in big sounders! I only loaded my gun with about 23 grains of powder, it can hold around 30 (can only stuff so much lead and powder in a cylinder)

I had only loaded 4 chambers as I did not want to fire to much and draw undue attention from the surrounding landowners, (even though I was on the easement and legal) I shot twice and missed, shot #3 found it's mark. Shot # 4 was the redundant "make sure it is down" shot. Now my gun is empty and I wonder if hog #1 is a scant 40 ft away in the palmettos.

I picked the entire hog up and carry it close to the riverbank, so if comrade comes for vengeance, at least I can hit the river!

Did I mention, my bare feet picked up some black locust tree thorns? Wicked long, but I did not feel a thing at the time, I hardly slept that night!
 
You're a real enthusiast. I am too damn lazy to do more than just load some clips, shove em into my pistol and go BANG, or load my rifle and squeeze the trigger and go BANG BANG. (LOL)
For me, it's about getting dinner efficiently or stopping an intruder with no fuss.

My 1858 has a one ft barrel and weighs 4 pounds, I don't leave my guns loaded, but I could beat the hell out of an invader with them! I had a guy stand in my yard and tell me he would kill me and my old lady, he was a close neighbor, I did keep it loaded until we moved a month later on April 1st last year. That was the last time I fired it, I took it to the river after we moved and shot it out. I keep hammers and stuff around the house!
 
Slingshot Bob:

Yes it is real but has very little to do with Muslims.

Firearms Licences Regulations

The SOR code at the end of section 14.2 means that the law was last amended in 2004 by the Liberal Government under Prime Minister Paul Martin. But the exemption is much older than that and was probably originally adopted as an accommodation for certain Christian and First Nations communities who had firearms before Canada started licensing them but who objected to photos. They were sort of "grandfathered in" and now the exemption can apply to other religious minorities as Canada's demographics change.

It really isn't that big of a deal. When you buy a firearm or ammunition you show your Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) card and the clerk inputs your PAL#, your date of birth and the address on the PAL card. Then the items purchased are shipped to that address. The clerk may request corroborating ID if they think something is not right such as drivers licenses or Medicare cards to match the date of birth and the address to those on the PAL card. If you order firearms or ammunition online, you enter the same information and the vendor ships it to the address listed on the PAL card which is logged electronically and can be accessed by inputting the PAL# given by the purchaser. The photo on the card never comes into the online ordering process. If a vendor suspects something is wrong while you are either buying in person or online then the purchase is digitally flagged and delivery or pick-up is delayed until all concerns are addressed.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I expect if taken to the Supreme Court it would be eliminated. The Alberta government had allowed a sect of Hutterites to get Drivers license without a photo. Then in 2007 changed the policy wanting to require a photo. The SC in 2009 ruled for Alberta requiring the hutteritrs to have a photo on there Drivers license.

Note the hutteritrs believe it was against the no graven images part of the 10 commandments
 
That's a monster! I would want be in a tree stand! Especially if they run in big sounders! I only loaded my gun with about 23 grains of powder, it can hold around 30 (can only stuff so much lead and powder in a cylinder)

I had only loaded 4 chambers as I did not want to fire to much and draw undue attention from the surrounding landowners, (even though I was on the easement and legal) I shot twice and missed, shot #3 found it's mark. Shot # 4 was the redundant "make sure it is down" shot. Now my gun is empty and I wonder if hog #1 is a scant 40 ft away in the palmettos.

I picked the entire hog up and carry it close to the riverbank, so if comrade comes for vengeance, at least I can hit the river!

Did I mention, my bare feet picked up some black locust tree thorns? Wicked long, but I did not feel a thing at the time, I hardly slept that night!

I swear, folks in East TX should never have to worry about a meat shortage, as long as they like pork.
No need to go to the supermarket, it's right there on the hoof. Read up on it, the population is so huge that they consider it an epidemic.
 
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