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Trump says Canada is being unfair on trade

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Trump says Canada is being unfair on trade, making vague complaints about dairy and border crossings:

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4532053

So what evidence is there that Canada is being a bad actor when it comes to trade and the US is being completely fair when it comes to trade, because Canada thinks the US acts unfair on trade sometimes:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/3956153/canada-us-trade-practices-complaint/amp/

Let's just forget it, go back to how it was before the free trade pact. It all just seems not worth the aggravation.
 
Let's just forget it, go back to how it was before the free trade pact. It all just seems not worth the aggravation.

As nice as that sounds, I don't think we can. It would cause the collapse of the automotive industry, and the chain reaction would be staggering, in all three countries.

But again, I don't think we need to, and the short sightedness of the Americans at this point is dangerous. We're they're second highest trading volume partner, with a vastly lower deficit compared to the rest of the top 5, while having a much smaller population than any of them.

What I don't get is why they come after us, but stay ass up with cheeks spread to accept **** from China. You'd think they'd start with their biggest trade deficit (by FAR), instead of with us. I'm no MBA, but I can't see the logic or sense in it.
 
As nice as that sounds, I don't think we can. It would cause the collapse of the automotive industry, and the chain reaction would be staggering, in all three countries.

But again, I don't think we need to, and the short sightedness of the Americans at this point is dangerous. We're they're second highest trading volume partner, with a vastly lower deficit compared to the rest of the top 5, while having a much smaller population than any of them.

What I don't get is why they come after us, but stay ass up with cheeks spread to accept **** from China. You'd think they'd start with their biggest trade deficit (by FAR), instead of with us. I'm no MBA, but I can't see the logic or sense in it.

Maybe we can do it in pieces, start with an auto pact.
Somebody should explain to that guy that torpedoing the NAFTA will cause his personal Nielsen ratings, the Dow-Jones Industrial Average, to plummet.
 
As usual our President Trump is spot on.
Perhaps during President Trump's second term he could find any means to build a wall along the Canadian border.
 
Trump never 'thought' about any of this ****; all Trump did was spew **** about 'trade' during the campaign so, that the masses would 'buy' it (and they bought it) and give Trump votes.

Now when it comes down to actually doing something about trade Trump can't deliver on his campaign rhetoric aka BS, and nothing will change.

It was all just a grand 'dog & pony show' for the trailer trash redneck voters that fell for Trump's BS.
 
Canada... those big meanies, we should take them out back and kick the **** out of them!
 
As usual our President Trump is spot on.
Perhaps during President Trump's second term he could find any means to build a wall along the Canadian border.

Are you just being facetious?
 
Let's just forget it, go back to how it was before the free trade pact. It all just seems not worth the aggravation.

Wow....that's incredible!

Prime Minister Trudeau has just spent two weeks promoting Canada to governors, mayors, and congressmen about NAFTA.


It seems he's been very effective as the last time Trump commented on the most under-covered story of modern America...then he said "it's good, maybe we can reach agreement."

I have spent years trying to unpack 150 years of history, from the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the 1857 Pig War....agreements that cover exactly where the channel between countries lies in the straight of Juan De Fuca, to water use rights of the Columbia, to wild fire fighting, to cross border shopping to air quality and manufacturing cars, airplanes and how much of our oil you can have.

If you remove one section/paragraph/senbtence hundreds, maybe thousands of other issues arise.

It simply isn't possible that Donald Trump can grasp the complexity and necessity of NAFTA. He doesn't understand nuance, he fails at situational decision making.

What he is doing here is taking advantage of the lack of detailed coverage and what is at risk in the US, and making Canada an "enemy", which is what he always does, just notice how quickly he turns on his own staff when the going gets rough. It is a very dangerous game, which kind of proves my point about complexity...as whatever he says will be reported and magnified here which will feed a growing anti-American attitude.

Here's an example....90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. 75% of them shop regularly in the US in what is said to be an $18 billion a year boon for the US. That trade comes into Canada tax free, tariff free through a subsection addendum to NAFTA which also involves all ten provinces and three territories.

The US mirrors Canada's tax policy on retail trade. Now, change one line somewhere else that costs Canada a lot of money, they will naturally look at that load of cash going into America pockets and...

..well its called a trade war for a reason and what would likely happen is the provinces say "screw you" and start applying provincial sales tax and that trade gets cut in half. That's thousands of retail jobs in the US. To go back to pre NAFTA on that point alone would turn Northwest Washington into a huge ghost town. The city of Detroit has already begun lobbying in order to save those jobs.

As we have seen, Canada under Trudeau is more than ready to fight regardless of hardships as we saw with Boeing and their attempt to halt a sale of Bombardier jest to Delta; the day after filing Canada cancelled billions of $ in fighter planes which will not be restored even though they won in the courts.

So in the end, you have one country fully informed and ready, politicians who understand the complexities and results against a president who thinks he's doing a real estate deal. I shouldn't tell anyone this but cancelling NAFTA cold end the supply of fresh drinking water to a few thousand towns in the US..."there is a lot at stake" is an understatement.

I have some fears, as this province has little to fall back on, but I know in the end the US will take the greater share of the ****-kicking.

My greatest fear though, is what could likely be the end of 150 years of the greatest international friendship in history. Your president hasn't done you any favors, he is feeding what was a nascent anti-American attitude.
 
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As nice as that sounds, I don't think we can. It would cause the collapse of the automotive industry, and the chain reaction would be staggering, in all three countries.

But again, I don't think we need to, and the short sightedness of the Americans at this point is dangerous. We're they're second highest trading volume partner, with a vastly lower deficit compared to the rest of the top 5, while having a much smaller population than any of them.

What I don't get is why they come after us, but stay ass up with cheeks spread to accept **** from China. You'd think they'd start with their biggest trade deficit (by FAR), instead of with us. I'm no MBA, but I can't see the logic or sense in it.

Why? Because we have a moron for a president that knows nothing about trade except my way or the highway.
 
Trump never 'thought' about any of this ****; all Trump did was spew **** about 'trade' during the campaign so, that the masses would 'buy' it (and they bought it) and give Trump votes.

Now when it comes down to actually doing something about trade Trump can't deliver on his campaign rhetoric aka BS, and nothing will change.

It was all just a grand 'dog & pony show' for the trailer trash redneck voters that fell for Trump's BS.

Yeah, even right wing Canadian newspapers think he does not know what he is talking about when it comes to trade:

Stephen Gordon: Trump doesn’t understand deficits and trade, and Canada will pay a price | National Post
 
Trump says Canada is being unfair on trade, making vague complaints about dairy and border crossings:

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4532053

So what evidence is there that Canada is being a bad actor when it comes to trade and the US is being completely fair when it comes to trade, because Canada thinks the US acts unfair on trade sometimes:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/3956153/canada-us-trade-practices-complaint/amp/

It's all nothing more than rhetorical posturing...from both Trump and Trudeau.

Bottom line...Canada will negotiate NAFTA to the satisfaction of all three countries or NAFTA goes bye-bye. If NAFTA goes bye-bye, the two countries will then have to negotiate unilaterally...to the satisfaction of both countries.
 
It's all nothing more than rhetorical posturing...from both Trump and Trudeau.

Bottom line...Canada will negotiate NAFTA to the satisfaction of all three countries or NAFTA goes bye-bye. If NAFTA goes bye-bye, the two countries will then have to negotiate unilaterally...to the satisfaction of both countries.

Fair enough, if Trump is willing to bargain in good faith, then things should go fine, but if he tries to make Canada sign an unfair deal, Canada would rather have no deal and let everything be decided on a case by case matter at that point.
 
Fair enough, if Trump is willing to bargain in good faith, then things should go fine, but if he tries to make Canada sign an unfair deal, Canada would rather have no deal and let everything be decided on a case by case matter at that point.

"unfair deal"

That's subject to interpretation by either side.

I don't know...Canada certainly may decide to let NAFTA fall by the wayside. Their choice.
 
Trump says Canada is being unfair on trade, making vague complaints about dairy and border crossings:

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4532053

So what evidence is there that Canada is being a bad actor when it comes to trade and the US is being completely fair when it comes to trade, because Canada thinks the US acts unfair on trade sometimes:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/3956153/canada-us-trade-practices-complaint/amp/

"... In its current form NAFTA became an exploited doorway into the coveted U.S. market. Asian economic interests, large multinational corporations, invested in Mexico and Canada as a way to work around any direct trade deals with the U.S.

By shipping parts to Mexico and/or Canada; and by deploying satellite manufacturing and assembly facilities in Canada and/or Mexico; China, Asia and to a lesser extent EU corporations exploited a loophole. Through a process of building, assembling or manufacturing their products in Mexico/Canada those foreign corporations can skirt U.S. trade tariffs and direct U.S. trade agreements. The finished foreign products entered the U.S. under NAFTA rules.

Why deal with the U.S. when you can just deal with Mexico, and use NAFTA rules to ship your product directly into the U.S. market? ..."


https://theconservativetreehouse.co...nding-why-nafta-exit-is-a-forgone-conclusion/

"... President Trump will end NAFTA.
Withdrawal is not a matter of “if“, it is simply a matter of “when”.
The economic reality drives the “if”, the political reality drives the “when”. ..."
 
Why would we want to buy from Canada when the profits go to China?!?

"China’s government is seeking full access to Canada’s economy in free trade talks, ... Though China has been among the most vocal countries in resisting the protectionism of the Trump administration, critics say the country is itself a bastion of protectionism. They note China allows almost no foreign investment in banking and telecommunications. ... "

China Wants Total Access To Canada, May Seek To Import Its Own Workers
 
"unfair deal"

That's subject to interpretation by either side.

I don't know...Canada certainly may decide to let NAFTA fall by the wayside. Their choice.

So far, Trump is trying to promote a deal that give the US more access to Canada's markets and Canada less access to the US market:

U.S. makes 'aggressive' demands to access Canadian dairy market, wants end to supply management - Politics - CBC News

Canada has change its laws to allow American dairy products in (and despite restrictions, the US sells more diary to Canada then vice versa), while the US can impose tariffs on Canadian goods at their leisure, Canada has give US companies more access to their infrastructure programs, while insuring Canadian companies will get less access to US infrastructure programs. No country will sign such a one sided deal.

If the US wants to do these ''Buy American'' tariffs, fine, but there will be a cost, US goods will get tariffs imposed upon them in response:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4010466/...ainst-any-state-with-buy-american-provisions/



He seems more interested in punishing Mexico and Canada for slights, real or imagined, negotiating a realistic deal:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...-to-canada-in-exchange-for-nafta-demands.html
 
Why would we want to buy from Canada when the profits go to China?!?

"China’s government is seeking full access to Canada’s economy in free trade talks, ... Though China has been among the most vocal countries in resisting the protectionism of the Trump administration, critics say the country is itself a bastion of protectionism. They note China allows almost no foreign investment in banking and telecommunications. ... "

China Wants Total Access To Canada, May Seek To Import Its Own Workers

China can demand whatever they want, but Canada will not let Chinese state companies run factories in Canada as their personal fiefdoms, any Canadian government that approves that will be committing political suicide.

Canada has not agreed to that and likely will not agree to that, because its not Canada's interest to do so. So stop basing trade ideas on policies that do not exist. There is a reason trade talks between China and Canada have been stalled.
 
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So far, Trump is trying to promote a deal that give the US more access to Canada's markets and Canada less access to the US market:

U.S. makes 'aggressive' demands to access Canadian dairy market, wants end to supply management - Politics - CBC News

Canada has change its laws to allow American dairy products in (and despite restrictions, the US sells more diary to Canada then vice versa), while the US can impose tariffs on Canadian goods at their leisure, Canada has give US companies more access to their infrastructure programs, while insuring Canadian companies will get less access to US infrastructure programs. No country will sign such a one sided deal.

If the US wants to do these ''Buy American'' tariffs, fine, but there will be a cost, US goods will get tariffs imposed upon them in response:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4010466/...ainst-any-state-with-buy-american-provisions/



He seems more interested in punishing Mexico and Canada for slights, real or imagined, negotiating a realistic deal:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...-to-canada-in-exchange-for-nafta-demands.html

The negotiations are in progress. Proposals made are not necessarily indicative of the final agreement.

I'm willing to wait and see what all sides of the NAFTA negotiations finally agree to...or see NAFTA die.

But be aware that Trump and his team are tough negotiators. They will try to get the best deal possible for the US...as they should. Canada will do the same. That's how the game is played.
 
Why would we want to buy from Canada when the profits go to China?!?

"China’s government is seeking full access to Canada’s economy in free trade talks, ... Though China has been among the most vocal countries in resisting the protectionism of the Trump administration, critics say the country is itself a bastion of protectionism. They note China allows almost no foreign investment in banking and telecommunications. ... "

China Wants Total Access To Canada, May Seek To Import Its Own Workers

Fine. As it is, you have preferential treatment on Canadian oil. You're guaranteed a certain percentage of Canadian production. You take your chances on the open market and we will, too. You're gonna have to outbid someone- all the oil production in the world is spoken for already.
 
China and Mexico have been trying for 10 years now to come to an agreement on a trade deal. The problem is: Mexico does not have the money/market/economy to buy Chinese goods/products/services and China does not need anything from Mexico - except for Avocados maybe.

Mexico's #1 trading partner is USA. Not a good idea to peeve off the trading partner that allows your economy to even exist.

https://qz.com/1068688/can-china-profit-from-trumps-hostility-to-mexico-its-complicated/
 
"... In its current form NAFTA became an exploited doorway into the coveted U.S. market. Asian economic interests, large multinational corporations, invested in Mexico and Canada as a way to work around any direct trade deals with the U.S.

By shipping parts to Mexico and/or Canada; and by deploying satellite manufacturing and assembly facilities in Canada and/or Mexico; China, Asia and to a lesser extent EU corporations exploited a loophole. Through a process of building, assembling or manufacturing their products in Mexico/Canada those foreign corporations can skirt U.S. trade tariffs and direct U.S. trade agreements. The finished foreign products entered the U.S. under NAFTA rules.

Why deal with the U.S. when you can just deal with Mexico, and use NAFTA rules to ship your product directly into the U.S. market? ..."


https://theconservativetreehouse.co...nding-why-nafta-exit-is-a-forgone-conclusion/

"... President Trump will end NAFTA.
Withdrawal is not a matter of “if“, it is simply a matter of “when”.
The economic reality drives the “if”, the political reality drives the “when”. ..."

''Conservative tree house'' is not a good source of news, they have a habit of pulling things out their butt. So what do want, to micro manage who Canada and Mexico trade with outside of the US? Make Canada and Mexico sign one sided deals, where only the US benefits?

What about all the jobs trade with Canada and Mexico creates in the US?

This is exactly how many American jobs depend on Canada?U.S. trade

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/mexico-nafta-trade/510008/

What about when the US acts in bad faith when it comes to trade?

U.S. Corn Subsidies Said to Damage Mexico - The New York Times

Canada takes U.S. to WTO in wide-ranging trade complaint - Business - CBC News
 
''Conservative tree house'' is not a good source of news, they have a habit of pulling things out their butt. So what do want, to micro manage who Canada and Mexico trade with outside of the US? Make Canada and Mexico sign one sided deals, where only the US benefits?

What about all the jobs trade with Canada and Mexico creates in the US?

This is exactly how many American jobs depend on Canada?U.S. trade

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/mexico-nafta-trade/510008/

What about when the US acts in bad faith when it comes to trade?

U.S. Corn Subsidies Said to Damage Mexico - The New York Times

Canada takes U.S. to WTO in wide-ranging trade complaint - Business - CBC News

Conservative Treehouse is not a news website - they analyse the news.
For the last 2 1/2 years, since I came across that website, their analyses and predictions have been almost 100% accurate.
 
China and Mexico have been trying for 10 years now to come to an agreement on a trade deal. The problem is: Mexico does not have the money/market/economy to buy Chinese goods/products/services and China does not need anything from Mexico - except for Avocados maybe.

Mexico's #1 trading partner is USA. Not a good idea to peeve off the trading partner that allows your economy to even exist.

https://qz.com/1068688/can-china-profit-from-trumps-hostility-to-mexico-its-complicated/

What does this have to do with Canada though? Canada is making trade deals outside of the US, CETA and the new TPP, because Canada thinks the US is becoming unreliable and that its not good to put all our eggs in one basket. Canada does not have a trade deal with china (so this idea that Canada is China's pawn is ridiculous) due to excessive demands from China and Trudeau promoting ideas that would not be popular in China.

And if you think Canada is so unfair when it comes to trade, then here's idea, rip out the Keystone pipeline and stop buying cheap power from Canadian provinces, also expect far bigger charges for access to our fresh water supply. Do it and see how that works.
 
Conservative Treehouse is not a news website - they analyse the news.
For the last 2 1/2 years, since I came across that website, their analyses and predictions have been almost 100% accurate.

I have heard of them and they seem like BS artists to me.

And you still have not said what you would want from a trade deal between Canada and US? Sites like conservative tree house do nothing but instigate, they have no real, practical solutions to things like trade relations, they just promote some story where the US is a victim in the world of international trade and that is just not true.
 
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