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Trump says Canada is being unfair on trade

Mycroft said:
The negotiations are in progress. Proposals made are not necessarily indicative of the final agreement.

I'm willing to wait and see what all sides of the NAFTA negotiations finally agree to...or see NAFTA die.

But be aware that Trump and his team are tough negotiators. They will try to get the best deal possible for the US...as they should. Canada will do the same. That's how the game is played.
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Trump is complaining that these talks are not going fast enough, but they will go nowhere if it seems like Trump's team will just demand concessions from Canada and Mexico, but say the US will give them nothing in return.

Canada changing its dairy system is not an easy thing to do, it is fraught with internal concerns (Quebec, the province that tends to be the most contentious in the country, is where the current system is the most popular), changing the system is possible, yet politically difficult and not something Canada would do for free. These changes will not be free, any concessions that the US wants from Canada, Canada will want concessions in return.
 
Yes_Minister said:
China can demand whatever they want, but Canada will not let Chinese state companies run factories in Canada as their personal fiefdoms, any Canadian government that approves that will be committing political suicide.

Canada has not agreed to that and likely will not agree to that, because its not Canada's interest to do so. So stop basing trade ideas on policies that do not exist. There is a reason trade talks between China and Canada have been stalled.
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Keep up, man, keep up.
Trudeau is trying and trying, but China wants either all or nothing.

"Justin Trudeau saw a third way for trade, preaching “progressive” values as a fix to a global order put on the defensive by populists like Donald Trump. But this week in China, he got a crash course on how difficult it is to sell.
... “It’s a little unrealistic for Canada to use a ‘one-size-fits-all’ approach in trade talks with countries whose conditions and aspirations are greatly different,” said He Weiwen, deputy director of the Center for China and Globalization in Beijing and a former commerce ministry official. Both countries “have a positive attitude” toward a potential free trade deal, “however practicality needs to be applied when it comes down to actual negotiation.” ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...china-empty-handed-dimming-global-trade-hopes
 
Barnacle said:
Keep up, man, keep up.
Trudeau is trying and trying, but China wants either all or nothing.

"Justin Trudeau saw a third way for trade, preaching “progressive” values as a fix to a global order put on the defensive by populists like Donald Trump. But this week in China, he got a crash course on how difficult it is to sell.
... “It’s a little unrealistic for Canada to use a ‘one-size-fits-all’ approach in trade talks with countries whose conditions and aspirations are greatly different,” said He Weiwen, deputy director of the Center for China and Globalization in Beijing and a former commerce ministry official. Both countries “have a positive attitude” toward a potential free trade deal, “however practicality needs to be applied when it comes down to actual negotiation.” ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...china-empty-handed-dimming-global-trade-hopes
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Then we simply won't have an agreement with China, we will still trade with them, but Canada will not give its sovereignty away just for a trade deal.

You can argue that Trudeau trying to promote labor and gender rights in a trade with China was naive, but since most Canadians will not agree to deal where China gets full access to our market and we get limited access to theirs, its a moot point. Canadians are going to want Canadian workers to be employed in any factory on Canadian soil, so Chinese state companies trying to simply import Chinese workers, put them in some factory in Canada and run it without any regards to Canadian laws or regulations will not be popular here. Canada will not sign a trade deal that lets Chinese companies run factories here like their own private fiefdoms.

Trudeau will not agree to a one sided deal with China, because it would ensure the Liberals will not win reelection and will be out of power for a long time, just like if he agreed to a one sided deal with the US. Any trade agreement that screws over Canada is not worth signing, be with the US, China or any other party.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
Trump is complaining that these talks are not going fast enough, but they will go nowhere if it seems like Trump's team will just demand concessions from Canada and Mexico, but say the US will give them nothing in return.
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As I said before, rhetorical posturing. Nothing more.

Canada changing its dairy system is not an easy thing to do, it is fraught with internal concerns (Quebec, the province that tends to be the most contentious in the country, is where the current system is the most popular), changing the system is possible, yet politically difficult and not something Canada would do for free. These changes will not be free, any concessions that the US wants from Canada, Canada will want concessions in return.
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And that is as it should be. That is the nature of negotiations.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Then we simply won't have an agreement with China, we will still trade with them, but Canada will not give its sovereignty away just for a trade deal.

You can argue that Trudeau trying to promote labor and gender rights in a trade with China was naive, but since most Canadians will not agree to deal where China gets full access to our market and we get limited access to theirs, its a moot point. Canadians are going to want Canadian workers to be employed in any factory on Canadian soil, so Chinese state companies trying to simply import Chinese workers, put them in some factory in Canada and run it without any regards to Canadian laws or regulations will not be popular here. Canada will not sign a trade deal that lets Chinese companies run factories here like their own private fiefdoms.

Trudeau will not agree to a one sided deal with China, because it would ensure the Liberals will not win reelection and will be out of power for a long time, just like if he agreed to a one sided deal with the US. Any trade agreement that screws over Canada is not worth signing, be with the US, China or any other party.
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I never said he would; all I said and pointed to is the fact that Trudeau ... is fresh out of options when it comes to trade agreements with large economies.

He can make a trade agreement with the USA where Chinese goods are not funneled through Canada to the US of A and thus allowing China to circumvent trade tariffs,
or he can find himself some new trading partners. Wishing him good luck!
 
Barnacle said:
I never said he would; all I said and pointed to is the fact that Trudeau ... is fresh out of options when it comes to trade agreements with large economies.

He can make a trade agreement with the USA where Chinese goods are not funneled through Canada to the US of A and thus allowing China to circumvent trade tariffs,
or he can find himself some new trading partners. Wishing him good luck!
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I would rather have no deal with the US, then one where the US screws over Canada, I do not want Canada to get screwed over by China or the US and if you think Canada is some evil economic parasite, then try to cut off trade and see all the jobs and cheap power the US loses in the process.

What does dairy, lumber or ''border crossings'' have to do with China? Nothing, that's what, Trump just wants a one sided deal where Canada gets less access to the US market, while the US gets more access to the Canadian market.

Canada is forming trading with relations with other blocs, like the EU and the TPP countries and they are not making ridiculous one sided demands.

If you get all your information from BS websites like ''conservative tree'', then you will base your trade ideas on non sense and the US will screw itself trying to screw over other countries, because any tariffs the US puts on other countries will be matched by tariffs on US goods and the US will get less access, not more, to other markets.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
I would rather have no deal with the US, then one where the US screws over Canada, I do not want Canada to get screwed over by China or the US and if you think Canada is some evil economic parasite, then try to cut off trade and see all the jobs and cheap power the US loses in the process.

What does dairy, lumber or ''border crossings'' have to do with China? Nothing, that's what, Trump just wants a one sided deal where Canada gets less access to the US market, while the US gets more access to the Canadian market.

Canada is forming trading with relations with other blocs, like the EU and the TPP countries and they are not making ridiculous one sided demands.

If you get all your information from BS websites like ''conservative tree'', then you will base your trade ideas on non sense and the US will screw itself trying to screw over other countries, because any tariffs the US puts on other countries will be matched by tariffs on US goods and the US will get less access, not more, to other markets.
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You don't even have the foggiest what's going on under NAFTA.
 
Barnacle said:
You don't even have the foggiest what's going on under NAFTA.
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And you do, by going to sites like ''conservative tree house''?

If you think everyone in Canada loves NAFTA or thinks its some great gift the US gave Canada, think again. Many Canadians think the US skirts the rules or thinks NAFTA is not the best deal for Canada, the Canadian government thinks the US breaks the rules sometimes:

Canada launches global complaint against U.S. trade practices | Financial Post

Heck, many left wing Canadians are not fans of NAFTA:

Taking your voices on NAFTA to Ottawa | rabble.ca

In Canada there is a real debate as to whether getting rid of NAFTA will help or harm Canada, so don't think for a second people up here are desperate to keep NAFTA. Canadians will keep it if its good for Canada and if Trump tries to make it bad Canada, we will walk away.

I bet conservative tree doesn't mention unfair trading practices the US gets into, like the complaints Canada is bringing against the US at the WTO or the US dumping corn on the Mexican market. No, because that would ruin this child like fantasy that the US is a fair trading super hero, while every other country is some evil exploitative super villain. The US has no right to claim other countries are unfair when it comes to trade, when it ignores the rules at on a whim.

I bet sites like conservative tree house think Canada has a lot of nerve for standing up for itself:

LEGER: Wait, is Canada standing up to the Americans? The nerve! | The Chronicle Herald

I guess Conservative Tree House thinks its Canada's natural position to be the US' mindless minion, eh?
 
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Barnacle said:
I never said he would; all I said and pointed to is the fact that Trudeau ... is fresh out of options when it comes to trade agreements with large economies.

He can make a trade agreement with the USA where Chinese goods are not funneled through Canada to the US of A and thus allowing China to circumvent trade tariffs,
or he can find himself some new trading partners. Wishing him good luck!
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That doesn't happen. That's bull****.
What does happen is, the US is entitled by the agreement to a certain percentage of Canadian oil production. You want to take your chances on the open market, we'll do the same.
As for new trading partners, we signed a free-trade agreement with Europe late last year, and the TPP. And ending NAFTA doesn't mean trade stops, it means we go back to how it was before Reagan and Mulrooney made the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement. Okay by me.
 
Yes_Minister said:
And you do, by going to sites like ''conservative tree house''?

If you think everyone in Canada loves NAFTA or thinks its some great gift the US gave Canada, think again. Many Canadians think the US skirts the rules or thinks NAFTA is not the best deal for Canada, the Canadian government thinks the US breaks the rules sometimes:

Canada launches global complaint against U.S. trade practices | Financial Post

Heck, many left wing Canadians are not fans of NAFTA:

Taking your voices on NAFTA to Ottawa | rabble.ca

In Canada there is a real debate as to whether getting rid of NAFTA will help or harm Canada, so don't think for a second people up here are desperate to keep NAFTA. Canadians will keep it if its good for Canada and if Trump tries to make it bad Canada, we will walk away.

I bet conservative tree doesn't mention unfair trading practices the US gets into, like the complaints Canada is bringing against the US at the WTO or the US dumping corn on the Mexican market. No, because that would ruin this child like fantasy that the US is a fair trading super hero, while every other country is some evil exploitative super villain. The US has no right to claim other countries are unfair when it comes to trade, when it ignores the rules at on a whim.

I bet sites like conservative tree house think Canada has a lot of nerve for standing up for itself:

LEGER: Wait, is Canada standing up to the Americans? The nerve! | The Chronicle Herald

I guess Conservative Tree House thinks its Canada's natural position to be the US' mindless minion, eh?
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I'm willing to go back to the pre-Reagan and Mulrooney days, before the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement. For one thing, it'll scrap the preferential deal on oil, where the US is entitled to a certain percentage of Canadian production. Let's go open market. See how Trump likes the nosedive the Dow will take.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
Now Trump is saying Canada is dumping welded pipe on the US market:

Latest U.S. trade complaint says Canada dumping welded pipe - Business - CBC News

I guess for Trump, dumping and subsidies are bad if some other country does it, but okay if the US does it.

Or maybe Trump is so uninformed, he does not know about US dumping and subsidies:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4022228/bill-kelly-trumps-uninformed-bluster-clouds-trade-issues/
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What a clown show. Last year the US Dep't of Commerce puts a 300% import duty on Bombardier airplanes, Bombardier appeals to another American body, the US International Trade Commission, and the tax gets lifted.
Reminds me of that Yogi Berra quote (one he really said!), "Does anyone here know how to play this game?"
 
PTF said:
As usual our President Trump is spot on.
Perhaps during President Trump's second term he could find any means to build a wall along the Canadian border.
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Why on Earth would you wanna build a wall between you and your babysitter?
 
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