Canadian MP Sides with ISIS Over his Own Constituents

When white supremacists schedule a protest at your office you know you're doing something right.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Chris_Bittle/status/948206816550379520

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Mark Louie
@marcdanarc
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Jan 4
Only a "white supremacist" would condemn burning people in cages.
Right @Chris_Bittle ?

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Iman
@1GodlessWoman
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Jan 4
Replying to @Chris_Bittle
Hi! Xmuslim here. I'm brown btw. And agree with the "white supremacists" who actually are not white supremacists at all.

Rather you are an Islamist supporter.
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Russell Jonas
@RussellJonass
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Jan 3
Replying to @Chris_Bittle
You are an absolute idiot chris. Anyone who disagrees with you u call racist. Those protesters were against ISIS coming into Canada. That is not racist or white supremacist. YOU LIE. hard to believe u r a lawyer.

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Carjosse said:

The government will instead put them into rehabilitation, if you actually paid attention to our media instead of just what hysteria Americans come up with you would know that. Most likely they will be studied, see how they are radicalized in the first place and how someone can be deradicalized or prevent radicalization in the first place.

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truthatallcost said:

That sounds more like experimentation than rehabilitation. Are these ISIS members allowed to walk the streets while this is going on, or are they being confined?

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Carjosse said:

Well it is essentially a new field so experimentation will have to take place. I would assume they would be confined at least at first and if they are let out at some point it would probably be under extremely heavy surveillance or confined to a specific building. I assume more details will come out as the program is developed.

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OlNate said:

For a little perspective...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pla...ks-fiery-exchange-between-scheer-pm-1.3698183

'Canada does not engage in death squads,' while allies actively hunt down their own foreign fighters - Politics - CBC News

Killing returning terrorists creates martyrs and drives recruitment. Remember that old expression: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Watch them closely, snatch them up if they act shady, but why not at least try to address the root cause and bring them back in the fold? I think very few people become terrorists "just cuz"... Shock and awe hasn't stopped it, revenge killing hasn't stopped it, how about maybe actually talking to these folks and trying to figure something out, once they leave the mob mentality? It's better than stooping to their level out of, well, terror... I think technically being terrified of terrorists gives them the win...and killing folks willing to die for their cause doesn't detract from that.

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OlNate said:

For a little perspective...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pla...ks-fiery-exchange-between-scheer-pm-1.3698183

'Canada does not engage in death squads,' while allies actively hunt down their own foreign fighters - Politics - CBC News

Killing returning terrorists creates martyrs and drives recruitment. Remember that old expression: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Watch them closely, snatch them up if they act shady, but why not at least try to address the root cause and bring them back in the fold? I think very few people become terrorists "just cuz"... Shock and awe hasn't stopped it, revenge killing hasn't stopped it, how about maybe actually talking to these folks and trying to figure something out, once they leave the mob mentality? It's better than stooping to their level out of, well, terror... I think technically being terrified of terrorists gives them the win...and killing folks willing to die for their cause doesn't detract from that.

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Carjosse said:

Well it is essentially a new field so experimentation will have to take place. I would assume they would be confined at least at first and if they are let out at some point it would probably be under extremely heavy surveillance or confined to a specific building. I assume more details will come out as the program is developed.

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truthatallcost said:

The problem is that this isn't a new thing at all:

"According to the updated data released Tuesday, the intelligence community has confirmed that a total of 121 former detainees have re-engaged in terrorism."

Intel report: 121 former Gitmo detainees returned to terrorism | TheHill

What's new is that you guys up in Canada think you are going to get different results from attempting to 'rehabilitate terrorists'. What's that line about people who are unable to learn from history?

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truthatallcost said:

Do you know what kind of practices ISIS engaged in? They are the worst of the worst. They killed children, raped women, and murdered indiscriminately. I thought it was prudent to fear mass murderers? Doesn't a healthy level of fear serve as a self preservation instinct? I mean all common sense seems to have flown directly out the window in some places, because good people are dying to prove that they're unafraid. And it isn't really that they're unafraid, but rather they don't it's going to happen to them.

I mean, if you're really unafraid, why not join the the police or military, which are two known targets of ISIS? Or better yet, why not volunteer to house the returning terrorists in your home? That would really prove that you're not scared, wouldn't it?

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ReverendHellh0und said:

I hope they move into your apartment building, I really do.

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Carjosse said:

Because they were just thrown in prison and tortured. That is not rehabilitation.

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OlNate said:

I hear you, but if you read the articles I posted, you'd see that no one is being nonchalant about it... They will be watched, and carefully. But you can only watch in so many directions at any given time...whether or not you "allow" them back into the country. I'm not an ISIS apologist, it's just that being hard with them hasn't worked...now that they are leaving that, perhaps it's a good time to show them there's an alternative to being a psycho. I know, that won't appeal to some, but I'm glad it's what we're doing up here.

And I'm too old to join the police or the military...but don't worry, I know you were just trying to drive a point, if a little clumsily.



Hmm...tricky, cuz I live in a house, it might get a little crowded. Plus, we had a fire over the Christmas holiday, and there's all kinds of restoration folks here...they could probably find better digs at the moment. But hey, you're talking to me again, so things are looking up!!

Gonna play nice here with both of you, and assume that if nothing else, we would all like to see less terrorists. But achieving that through killing them creates more, while being the country that gives them the opportunity to normalize, while also trying to understand what radicalized them in the first place, might actually reduce recruiting, since we aren't acting like the bullies they expect us to. Maybe it bites us in the ass, and that would be horrible...but bravery isn't just acting tough, it's doing the right thing even if it puts you at risk, and right now this seems to be the right thing. You guys talk about letting them move in with me...lol...no, but then I'm not in a position to let anyone live with me. But, if I had a chance to talk to them, and prove wrong what the folks who radicalized them to hate people who look like me and live where I live said, you bet I'd take it. Killing what scares you isn't brave, it's cowardice.

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Carjosse said:

The government will instead put them into rehabilitation, if you actually paid attention to our media instead of just what hysteria Americans come up with you would know that. Most likely they will be studied, see how they are radicalized in the first place and how someone can be deradicalized or prevent radicalization in the first place.

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truthatallcost said:

That's actually not true, as not all Gitmo detainees were tortured. I guess time will tell us whether or not it's possible to nurture a terrorist back to being a law abiding member of a 1st world nation. I'm a bit skeptical of that. Got any links showing how it's to be done? That would be interesting to read.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

Sucks for you. move next door, whatever. I hope when you love the terrorists back into your country they move next to wherever you land, you deserve it. :thumbs:

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OlNate said:

lol...well, Rev, gotta hand it to you, your dedication to assholery is second to none. A guy tells you his house catches fire, and you barely skip a beat. I'm actually impressed...hehe... As the proverb goes, pick one thing in life and be really good at it. I think you've found your calling, bro, bravo. :applaud

Anyway...there's no point really discussing this with you directly, because you clearly you lack the balls to explore any outcomes outside of your narrow, "boo hoo, save me from everything I hate" mentality. Fear is a sad thing...but, on the plus side, you make a great example.

For the record, though, I'd love to have one of these guys move next to me, or someone like me. It would be a hell of a lot better outcome than having them move beside someone like you, if the goal is trying to convince these people they need not engage in terrorism. You're basically a walking recruitment poster. Congrats.

At some point we have to move on, and we've done so after every war...we no longer hate the Germans, or the Japanese, pretty much every enemy we've ever fought we've made amends with, because at the end of the day, only assholes want to fight forever. If these guys want to come home, want to give up living like a bunch of savages, then we at least need to look at them individually with an open and fair mind. We have convicted folks up here for having left the country to commit terrorism, and we will again, where appropriate. But chicken ****, politically motivated fear mongering attempts to generalize and demonize will not stop us from attempting to do what we do with all our criminals in this country, which is rehabilitate for the purpose of being a productive member of society wherever possible. I'm not an ISIS apologist, but I'm also not going to apologize for my country not stooping to their level, and simply killing what they don't like. Maybe that's a fine standard for you, but not for me.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

I literally can't read more than a sentence from you, it gets so boring. anyway, I hope no firefighters were hurt due to whatever negligence on your part lit your house on fire.



you go hug you some terrorist, I am sure they would stop terrorizing if you hugged them. I hate terrorist, I am sorry you don't

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OlNate said:

Honestly, dude, I pat myself on the back every time you disagree with me. Thanks for the new sig, though.

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OlNate said:

Gonna play nice here with both of you, and assume that if nothing else, we would all like to see less terrorists. But achieving that through killing them creates more, while being the country that gives them the opportunity to normalize, while also trying to understand what radicalized them in the first place, might actually reduce recruiting, since we aren't acting like the bullies they expect us to. Maybe it bites us in the ass, and that would be horrible...but bravery isn't just acting tough, it's doing the right thing even if it puts you at risk, and right now this seems to be the right thing. You guys talk about letting them move in with me...lol...no, but then I'm not in a position to let anyone live with me. But, if I had a chance to talk to them, and prove wrong what the folks who radicalized them to hate people who look like me and live where I live said, you bet I'd take it.

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Killing what scares you isn't brave, it's cowardice.

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truthatallcost said:

So, since you're in favor of Trudeau's rehab for ISIS, tell me what exactly about the rehabilitation process has convinced you that it's a good idea, if you will.
Because from what I can gather, no one who supports rehabilitation knows what the hell rehabilitation is, in this context.

"Yet there is still ambiguity around what rehabilitation looks like; what would it entail to be successful, who should be prioritized, and who should be in charge of rehabilitating youth."

The Way Out: Radicalization to rehabilitation: How does Canada prepare for ISIS returnees?



Absurd. We're not talking about an irrational fear here, we're talking about proven homicidal maniacs. Let me ask you; how much do you really know about ISIS? Have you watched the videos of them killing carloads of innocent people, while laughing and smiling about it? It's on YouTube, you don't have to visit questionable websites to see it.

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OlNate said:

So, first...why rehabilitation. Why do I think it works? Because I've known a number of rehabilitated people that went on to lead productive lives. We don't have a death penalty in Canada, so if they are going to be in jail for any amount of time, I'd rather they have the chance to be rehabilitated and into a position where they can contribute to society, vs. simply sponging off of it from within a jail cell. It costs $113,000 a year to keep a prisoner (link below) in Canada, I'd rather see folks taught decency and responsibility, so we can spend that money in other directions. It's a high price to pay for revenge.

It costs $113,000 a year to lodge a federal prisoner: Report | Toronto Sun

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I know atrocities were committed by members of ISIS, but as folks have pointed out on this forum when defending American soldier behaviour, that's war. It's not an excuse, but it is a reason to believe that rehabilitation is possible when those people are taken out of that environment, especially when the people they were convinced to hate show them mercy, and are welcomed back to a society they were convinced would do nothing but persecute them. If we act exactly like their recruiters tell them we will, we validate their acts against us in their minds. Since terrorism can't be stamped out by force entirely, as has been proven over the decades, perhaps a new approach is warranted.

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I want to point out, though, that critics of this initiative have put forward the idea that this is all being handled nonchalantly. That's simply not the case. Folks returning will be watched by our Intelligence community very closely, which is a benefit of this tack as well.

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We know where they are, they don't have to hide. If they engage in problematic behaviour, it will be seen, and dealt with. We aren't creating some kind of refuge for uncontrolled terrorist behaviour. We are allowing our citizens to come home, giving them a choice on how they want to be going forward, and monitoring them closely to ensure that they don't become a threat. We've been pretty good at thwarting terrorist attempts in this country, so while understanding that nothing is 100% safe, I feel like this deserves a shot, especially since utilizing the methodology that other countries are employing has been proven *not* to work 100% of the time.

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