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Duterte tells Trudeau- "Lay off!"

Grand Mal said:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/trudeau-plays-trump-foil-citing-killings-hu

Trudeau brings up human rights in the Philippines and Duterte calls it a 'personal and official insult'. This is a few days after Trudeau torpedoed Canada's participation in TPP over child labour and human rights issues.
I like it. One of the few things I liked about Harper was him saying to Putin, "I'll shake your hand but you need to get out of Ukraine."
It's called integrity.
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Seriously, Justin Trudeau is a light weight, self centered, bag of wind who has zero influence on anything he touches or addresses. The Prime Minister had his flunkies practically beg Duterte to invite him to the South Asian security meeting as an observer along with President Trump. Trudeau has been travelling the world, on the Canadian taxpayers' dollar, taking selfies and self promoting for over two years now because he hasn't a ****ing clue how to do anything related to governing and leading. Trudeau hasn't a clue about integrity, period.
 
reinoe said:
I think America is the greatest country on Earth. Now many liberals seem to hate everything about this country which makes me wonder why they don't take of Macron's offer and move to France. In the meantime the people of The Phillipines love what Dutarte is doing. Why is that? They don't need feel-good hippy dippy platitudes.
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Are you saying you approve of a dictator murdering his own people? Who says that suspected criminals should be shot on sight without a trial?
 
tosca1 said:
There is a proper time for everything.
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lol...ah, Tosca, nothing this man can do to make you happy, regardless of his timing, be honest.

Economics is great way to drive change in the world, and I'd like to see human rights clauses baked into all of our trade agreements. And if that means we don't do trade with the Philippines, fantastic. Duterte is a psychopath, with all the class of a post-2016 US president. If he actually has an 80% approval rating in his country, I'm not interested in doing business with any of them. There's lots of money in the world, no need to try to find it at the bottom of the barrel.

I think Trudeau absolutely did the right thing, and I support it entirely.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Seriously, Justin Trudeau is a light weight, self centered, bag of wind who has zero influence on anything he touches or addresses. The Prime Minister had his flunkies practically beg Duterte to invite him to the South Asian security meeting as an observer along with President Trump. Trudeau has been travelling the world, on the Canadian taxpayers' dollar, taking selfies and self promoting for over two years now because he hasn't a ****ing clue how to do anything related to governing and leading. Trudeau hasn't a clue about integrity, period.
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And yet, miles and miles and miles ahead of anything the Cons have to offer. Might as well face it, man, you're picking between the Liberals and NDP next time around. Lots of issues with the current Liberal party...might be time to give the NDP the reigns for a bit. ;)
 
OlNate said:
lol...ah, Tosca, nothing this man can do to make you happy, regardless of his timing, be honest.

Economics is great way to drive change in the world, and I'd like to see human rights clauses baked into all of our trade agreements. And if that means we don't do trade with the Philippines, fantastic. Duterte is a psychopath, with all the class of a post-2016 US president. If he actually has an 80% approval rating in his country, I'm not interested in doing business with any of them. There's lots of money in the world, no need to try to find it at the bottom of the barrel.

I think Trudeau absolutely did the right thing, and I support it entirely.
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Well....that's what it's all about, isn't it? Whether we want to do trade, or not.

He may've done the right thing to you, but what is right to you isn't the reason he went to Asia.
UNLESS, he went to Asia only to cater to those who want to see him push for human rights.

As I recall, that summit was for the purpose of trade. Leaders came to talk trade.....that's why nobody brought up human rights. Most Asian nations have their own human right issues! We, too btw - have our own human right issue - if we go by what's expected from us about our own indigenous people.

To single out one leader before all other nations that are also violating human rights, is only not fair, but discriminatory!

Furthermore, who'd buy his hypocrisy when he came out praising China's regime!:lol:
Was it a retaliation I wonder, for Duterte's epithet against his big brother Obama?

In other words, his main reason for going, was to grandstand?


Btw......did I say anywhere that I'm happy with Duterte?
 
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tosca1 said:
Well....that's what it's all about, isn't it? Whether we want to do trade, or not.

He may've done the right thing to you, but what is right to you isn't the reason he went to Asia.
UNLESS, he went to Asia only to cater to those who want to see him push for human rights.

As I recall, that summit was for the purpose of trade. Leaders came to talk trade.....that's why nobody brought up human rights. Most Asian nations have their own human right issues!
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Well, yes, that's the reason. And if nobody else brought up human rights, it's because they are not using their economic power to drive it. Again, I think we should have human rights conditions baked into ALL our trade agreements, certainly any new ones (old ones may not be able to be opened up and amended without causing a lot of chaos, I would expect).

And just to be clear, no matter where he goes, what he does, what the purpose is, he is ALWAYS there to do what's right to "me" (where and when "me" aligns with the majority of Canadian citizens, who he works for and is ultimately accountable to).

tosca1 said:
We, too btw - have our own human right issue - if we go by what's expected from us about our own indigenous people.
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Agreed! We have plenty of human rights fails, and I suspect that's why this government (finally) is working on them. Of course, they get their pushback, the Con community sure was a-flutter about the whole Kahdr affair...but yes, as uncomfortable a process as it is to address those issues, they need to be worked on, and while definitely a work in progress, we're certainly further along that line than the last government got us in 10 years... ;)

tosca1 said:
To single out one leader before all other nations that are also violating human rights, is only not fair, but discriminatory!

Furthermore, who'd buy his hypocrisy when he came out praising China's regime!:lol:
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Ya, I don't know why China gets a pass ... I mean, it's a nuclear power, and has an enormous economy, and has invested pretty much all over the world, so owns much of it, but you're right, I would support an even handed approach to addressing all the human rights issues in Asia.

But, just because he didn't go off at China isn't going to make me wish he hasn't gone after the Philippines. What's going on there is outrageous - 7,000 deaths in one year, and that's an "at least" figure:

Philippines President Duterte's Drug War One Year on: At Least 7,000 Are Dead, But It's Been 'Successful'

tosca1 said:
Was it a retaliation I wonder, for Duterte's epithet against his big brother Obama?

In other words, his main reason for going, was to grandstand?
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No, stop it, good grief. Stop thinking the world is like "The Rebel" tells you it is.

And if he were, thank goodness we live in a place where our leaders think that standing up for human rights is grandstanding...in other places, like the Philippines, leaders grandstand by committing atrocities, or in America, where their leader grandstands by downplaying human rights. Would you rather that?

tosca1 said:
Btw......did I say anywhere that I'm happy with Duterte?
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Did I say anywhere that you were?
 
OlNate said:
And yet, miles and miles and miles ahead of anything the Cons have to offer. Might as well face it, man, you're picking between the Liberals and NDP next time around. Lots of issues with the current Liberal party...might be time to give the NDP the reigns for a bit. ;)
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Nonsense - current polling in Canada, in case you missed it, suggests a Conservative minority government in the next election if nothing changes. My guess is the Liberals under Trudeau's "stellar" leadership have even further to drop before it's all said and done. You'll likely be looking for another pretty face, vacuous bag of gas to lead your party after the next election.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Nonsense - current polling in Canada, in case you missed it, suggests a Conservative minority government in the next election if nothing changes. My guess is the Liberals under Trudeau's "stellar" leadership have even further to drop before it's all said and done. You'll likely be looking for another pretty face, vacuous bag of gas to lead your party after the next election.
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This is the most recent poll I could find:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3774532/...eat-conservatives-ndp-in-election-ipsos-poll/

Not sure it's as open and shut as you think, though I'm sure the pendulum swings depending on the bias of the piece you're reading. And don't forget, the 2015 election was more about getting rid of Harper than giving the W to Trudeau. Canadians won't have forgotten yet about the embarrassment that was the Conservative party for 10 years, not so soon. I've heard, as well as offered, plenty of criticism regarding Trudeau...but it always comes back to "Well, at least he ain't Harper". We needed a reset after that hopeless d-bag, we'll see where we land as a nation next election day.

One thing is for certain ... if the Right want to continue to act like the Canadian GOP, they aren't going to get very far. I guess Canadians have something to thank Trump for after all.
 
OlNate said:
Well, yes, that's the reason. And if nobody else brought up human rights, it's because they are not using their economic power to drive it. Again, I think we should have human rights conditions baked into ALL our trade agreements, certainly any new ones (old ones may not be able to be opened up and amended without causing a lot of chaos, I would expect).

And just to be clear, no matter where he goes, what he does, what the purpose is, he is ALWAYS there to do what's right to "me" (where and when "me" aligns with the majority of Canadian citizens, who he works for and is ultimately accountable to).



Agreed! We have plenty of human rights fails, and I suspect that's why this government (finally) is working on them. Of course, they get their pushback, the Con community sure was a-flutter about the whole Kahdr affair...but yes, as uncomfortable a process as it is to address those issues, they need to be worked on, and while definitely a work in progress, we're certainly further along that line than the last government got us in 10 years... ;)



Ya, I don't know why China gets a pass ... I mean, it's a nuclear power, and has an enormous economy, and has invested pretty much all over the world, so owns much of it, but you're right, I would support an even handed approach to addressing all the human rights issues in Asia.

But, just because he didn't go off at China isn't going to make me wish he hasn't gone after the Philippines. What's going on there is outrageous - 7,000 deaths in one year, and that's an "at least" figure:

Philippines President Duterte's Drug War One Year on: At Least 7,000 Are Dead, But It's Been 'Successful'



No, stop it, good grief. Stop thinking the world is like "The Rebel" tells you it is.

And if he were, thank goodness we live in a place where our leaders think that standing up for human rights is grandstanding...in other places, like the Philippines, leaders grandstand by committing atrocities, or in America, where their leader grandstands by downplaying human rights. Would you rather that?
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I beg to disagree with some of your opinion, if not most of it.



Did I say anywhere that you were?
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No you didn't. I confused it with Trudeau....but it was too late to edit it.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Trudeau has been travelling the world, on the Canadian taxpayers' dollar, taking selfies and self promoting for over two years now because he hasn't a ****ing clue how to do anything related to governing and leading. Trudeau hasn't a clue about integrity, period.
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When he was a no-show at the TPP summit, I thought uh-oh......there must be some gay pride parade happening somewhere! :lol: I must say, he's good at that.
 
Fearandloathing said:
What the ****?

Look, it's hockey season and this true red Canadian really doesn't give a **** what Trudeau told anyone as no one will remember next week anyway.

and seriously Harper?

After the hate campaign those ****s ran "conservative" will be as filthy a word as Trump for a long time
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Oh, pour another cup and chill.
Hell got into the Canucks this season? Aren't they supposed to be mathematically eliminated by now?
 
reinoe said:
I think America is the greatest country on Earth. Now many liberals seem to hate everything about this country which makes me wonder why they don't take of Macron's offer and move to France. In the meantime the people of The Phillipines love what Dutarte is doing. Why is that? They don't need feel-good hippy dippy platitudes.
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You think that death squads are a great way to control your populace, which is exceptionally at odds with your claim that you do believe America is the greatest country in the world.

People hating the antics of the POW hating draft dodger named Trump and his cult is not the same thing as hating America.

The people of the Philippines, in a country where disagreeing with the president will get you murdered by his death squads, are not stupid enough to admit their true feelings to naive western "pollsters".
 
tosca1 said:
When he was a no-show at the TPP summit, I thought uh-oh......there must be some gay pride parade happening somewhere! :lol: I must say, he's good at that.
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No, that was about child labour, and how Canada shouldn't support it by making trade agreements with those who employ kids at slave wages.
Like I said, integrity.
 
tosca1 said:
I beg to disagree with some of your opinion, if not most of it.

No you didn't. I confused it with Trudeau....but it was too late to edit it.
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No need to beg, this is a debate forum. ;) Do you actually want to expand on that? I would be interested which of my "opinions" you find yourself begging to disagree with... Because looking back, here's the summary:

- Human rights issues should be considered when forming new trade agreements
- Canada needs to resolve it's own human rights issues, and our current leadership is doing a better job than our previous leadership
- Duterte is a piece of ****, irrespective of China's human rights record, and I'm glad at least one of them got called out
- Leaders who want to show off their leadership by furthering human rights is better than leaders who off their leadership through human rights dismissals or atrocities

I'd be happy to debate any of those items with you...given how much you hate Trudeau, I'm sure you've done a lot of thoughtful analysis to come to that place, let's hear it.
 
Duterte is a monster. He is facing rebellion in three different parts of the Philippines, the most serious in Mindano. His popularity is only high because Phiippine pollsters ignore the significant chunks of the population which are in revolt against Manila. His police, special anti-drug squads and (according to his own public boasting) he himself have extrajudicially killed over 7000 Philippine citizens since his election and more than 1000 before that while he was mayor of Davao. Trudeau was right to call him out and should have made a much larger stink about this evil man and his criminal regime. Well done PM Trudeau. The argument that it is impolite and presumptuous to call out such malign behaviour in a foreign land is a hollow one. Trade requires two sides and if our side wants to make tough legal and societal demands on our trading partners who behave like criminals in their own lands, then I am fine with that. The boy is finally showing some of the toughness and principle of his father. Toughen up Justine and hold more thug's feet to the fire, they deserve to feel the pain of public scrutiny and global contempt.

From now on I hope the Canadian Government insists upon imposing (and I use the term impose intentionally) better legal, labour and environmental standards on our trading partners, if they wish to trade with us. The only thing I would like to see sent Mr. Duterte's way is some lead at high velocity after an Philippine criminal prosecution and guilty verdict for this predatory piece of fecal matter. I would also like Mr. Trudeau to begin to hold Canadian business and finance leaders to a high standard of behaviour when negotiating with foreign states and would support the Canadian Government throwing the full weight of our surveillance, intelligence and legal institutions behind a project to investigate Canadian and foreign business operations and malfeasance in commerce and resource extraction abroad. When 10% of the metaphorical Bay Street crowd is decimated and in jail for commercial malpractice abroad, then I will be a far prouder Canadian than I am now.

Cheers and a pox on the House of Duterte.
Evilroddy.
 
Jesse Booth said:
That's actually going on right now? I'd be very interested in hearing more about China's attempt to influence Canada's culture, as this is the first I've heard of it.
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Basically they disguise them as cultural centres or free Mandarin classes and offer them to schools. These classes basically glorify Mao, the CCP, and anti-democratic ideas. The former head of the TDSB was arrested for taking bribes to allow them into TDSB schools. The cultural centres basically act as a front for espionage and spreading CCP ideas. Both of these are funded by the CCP and run by the Chinese Ministry for Propaganda, you know them as Confucius Institutes.
 
Carjosse said:
Basically they disguise them as cultural centres or free Mandarin classes and offer them to schools. These classes basically glorify Mao, the CCP, and anti-democratic ideas. The former head of the TDSB was arrested for taking bribes to allow them into TDSB schools. The cultural centres basically act as a front for espionage and spreading CCP ideas. Both of these are funded by the CCP and run by the Chinese Ministry for Propaganda, you know them as Confucius Institutes.
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The Chinese have a government agency named the Ministry of Propoganda? Do you think they understand how sinister that sounds? That name is on par with moustache-twirling and foreboding lightning storms on the heirarchy of evil aesthetics.
 
Evilroddy said:
Duterte is a monster. He is facing rebellion in three different parts of the Philippines, the most serious in Mindano. His popularity is only high because Phiippine pollsters ignore the significant chunks of the population which are in revolt against Manila. His police, special anti-drug squads and (according to his own public boasting) he himself have extrajudicially killed over 7000 Philippine citizens since his election and more than 1000 before that while he was mayor of Davao. Trudeau was right to call him out and should have made a much larger stink about this evil man and his criminal regime. Well done PM Trudeau. The argument that it is impolite and presumptuous to call out such malign behaviour in a foreign land is a hollow one. Trade requires two sides and if our side wants to make tough legal and societal demands on our trading partners who behave like criminals in their own lands, then I am fine with that. The boy is finally showing some of the toughness and principle of his father. Toughen up Justine and hold more thug's feet to the fire, they deserve to feel the pain of public scrutiny and global contempt.

From now on I hope the Canadian Government insists upon imposing (and I use the term impose intentionally) better legal, labour and environmental standards on our trading partners, if they wish to trade with us. The only thing I would like to see sent Mr. Duterte's way is some lead at high velocity after an Philippine criminal prosecution and guilty verdict for this predatory piece of fecal matter. I would also like Mr. Trudeau to begin to hold Canadian business and finance leaders to a high standard of behaviour when negotiating with foreign states and would support the Canadian Government throwing the full weight of our surveillance, intelligence and legal institutions behind a project to investigate Canadian and foreign business operations and malfeasance in commerce and resource extraction abroad. When 10% of the metaphorical Bay Street crowd is decimated and in jail for commercial malpractice abroad, then I will be a far prouder Canadian than I am now.

Cheers and a pox on the House of Duterte.
Evilroddy.
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It's not every day that someone raises your ire enough to merit changing your usual signature.

I have to admit, I'm more than a little ashamed that I wasn't aware of the open rebellion in the Phillipines. This only makes it more disgusting that Trump is trying to better our relations with than nation.
 
Jesse Booth said:
The Chinese have a government agency named the Ministry of Propoganda? Do you think they understand how sinister that sounds? That name is on par with moustache-twirling and foreboding lightning storms on the heirarchy of evil aesthetics.
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Nazi Germany had it too. Before 1998 it was the Department of Propaganda but then they changed their name to the Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China, still essentially the propaganda Department.
 
Carjosse said:
Nazi Germany had it too. Before 1998 it was the Department of Propaganda but then they changed their name to the Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China, still essentially the propaganda Department.
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That somehow sounds even more Orwellian. I'm almost impressed.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You think that death squads are a great way to control your populace, which is exceptionally at odds with your claim that you do believe America is the greatest country in the world.

People hating the antics of the POW hating draft dodger named Trump and his cult is not the same thing as hating America.

The people of the Philippines, in a country where disagreeing with the president will get you murdered by his death squads, are not stupid enough to admit their true feelings to naive western "pollsters".
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Dutarte is doing what it takes to fix his constituents and his people love him for it. It appears you are not capable of arguing the points presented because you rely exclusively on strawmen and other dishonest tactics because you don't have a leg to stand on.
 
Grand Mal said:
Oh, pour another cup and chill.
Hell got into the Canucks this season? Aren't they supposed to be mathematically eliminated by now?
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Not all Canucks - I knew full well what POS was saying, even with just a single pass of his simple statement. However, some have a giant chip on their shoulders and it usually blocks their vision and sense of reason.
 
PoS said:
I wasnt referring to Canadians. You need to read what I wrote again. And Ive met plenty of Canadians (one of my former business partners was from Toronto and I also have an aunt and uncle who is Canadian), thank you very much.
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so we're stupid because we voted for Trudeau.

Nice.

I suggest that Canadian voters are a little bit more informed than Americans, look at your president.
 
Jesse Booth:

Just don't get me started on Saudi Arabia or I'll completely lose my cool. Tyrants, strongmen and dictators are odious, evil predators and I tend to have a very bad reaction to their abuses and crimes. It's probably not smart but it is at least honest. I'm only human.

On a separate note, I'm tired of people expecting those with a social conscience to be polite and passive when faced with sharks doing "business". It's time for people of conscience to kick ass and hoof balls in order to break the culture of impunity in which international business seems content to operate. We should all demand of the state that it police and surveil those involved in business with the same enthusiasm and intrusiveness as it does to those involved in the independent media and in social causes. We must also demand that the state put that information gained to good use by busting businesses and their agents who allow what we think are socially unacceptable practices to go on both here and abroad. This will improve working and living conditions abroad and raise the cost of off-shoring so these despotic regimes can't so easily eat our lunch by exploiting their own poor while unemploying our own. Comparative and absolute advantages are mostly economic fictions which we use to excuse the flight of capital to the cheapest jurisdiction and we can no longer allow this fallacy to undermine our own economies. Promoting social conscience and fair trade requires the application of iron will and dreadful purpose just as "business" and war do. So break the bastards and bring them to heel, so that business and capitalism serves a global commonwealth rather than select and greedy corporatist elites who live as parasites off the sweat of those they exploit unfairly.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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