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Our Very own Space Cadet: Juliette Payette[W:44]

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Tigerace117 said:
Yes, I did. I went to a Catholic high school. And making fun of idiots is not "anti educational". There are some stances so idiotic that there is no reason to pretend that they have any basic in fact, or to treat them with any respect like they are legitimate opinions. Creationism is one of those. It's down right idiotic, and it has literally done its best for years to destroy education.
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I stand by my assertion that any teacher who makes fun of anyone else isn't really a teacher.

No, no one "fears" creationists. Put bluntly, they are morons, as is your basic fundamentalist. They may have a growing sway in parts of the former USSR where people have responded to years of atheism at gunpoint by going whole hog in the other direction, but the time where they ruled America is long over, and good riddance.

Making fun of people for believing in idiotic things hurts no one except the creationist's pride. And frankly, I don't give a damn about that.
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Here's the deal - you had a Catholic school teacher mocking those who believed in religion and nothing is more cult-like than the Roman Catholic Church. As you know, they teach the doctrine of Immaculate Conception and even the doctrine of Transubstantiation.

Any Catholic teacher who buys into that stuff has no high ground when it comes to creationism. Both are loony. But, to actually make fun of others should have gotten that teacher fired. That's just nuts.

That's funny, because atheists mock religion all the time. So clearly many people who think as you do disagree with you there.

When even a religion teacher not only rejects your craziness, but makes fun of you, then you know your ship has sailed long ago.
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I don't mock religion. Granted, I just said Catholic doctrine is loony, but I did so only to demonstrate that the Catholic teacher was out of bounds. Like a block of cheddar cheese mocking a block of bleu cheese.

But, my comment was only response to your story about the ludicrous teacher. Typically, I'm happy to let Christians, Muslims, or whomever, have their beliefs as long as they don't harass me about not being religious.

First, I wouldn't send a child of mine to a parochial school, but if I found out that any teacher was making fun of the beliefs of others -- to the students, no less -- I'd be at the School Board in nothing flat getting that teacher fired. Children deserve better.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Yep, it's pretty clear poster "tosca1" doesn't not have a case and is just upset a much more qualified person mocked the positions they support.

To them, not supporting creationism equates you to an atheist.

The fact that the overwhelming majority of churches, etc, do not support creationism doesn't seem to have crossed their mind.
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Here.....go to this link and read up....find out why you and Payette are both ignorant and, in la-la land.


https://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/287320-bible-130.html#post1067838898

post #1299. and #1300.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Oh, look at that, a link which doesn't actually prove.....anything.
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You responded a minute after I posted that link! :lol:



OH MY GOODNESS. And he quips it doesn't actually prove anything!



Of course it won't prove anything.....

........when obviously you're so scared to have a look and read! :lamo



Anyway, bye-bye. I have no time to waste on you.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
I stand by my assertion that any teacher who makes fun of anyone else isn't really a teacher.



Here's the deal - you had a Catholic school teacher mocking those who believed in religion and nothing is more cult-like than the Roman Catholic Church. As you know, they teach the doctrine of Immaculate Conception and even the doctrine of Transubstantiation.

Any Catholic teacher who buys into that stuff has no high ground when it comes to creationism. Both are loony. But, to actually make fun of others should have gotten that teacher fired. That's just nuts.



I don't mock religion. Granted, I just said Catholic doctrine is loony, but I did so only to demonstrate that the Catholic teacher was out of bounds. Like a block of cheddar cheese mocking a block of bleu cheese.

But, my comment was only response to your story about the ludicrous teacher. Typically, I'm happy to let Christians, Muslims, or whomever, have their beliefs as long as they don't harass me about not being religious.

First, I wouldn't send a child of mine to a parochial school, but if I found out that any teacher was making fun of the beliefs of others -- to the students, no less -- I'd be at the School Board in nothing flat getting that teacher fired. Children deserve better.
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Whelp, that's your opinion and really nothing more.

Believed in "religion"? Oh, so the only "religions" out there are the ones that believe in creationism?

Yes, creationism is just nuts.

Mocking creationism is in no way, shape or form "out of bounds". It is an idiotic series of claims practiced at this point omg by fundamentalists--- who of course are rather notorious for having a very loose grasp on reality.

Children deserve better than to have people present insanity as a possible fact. And no, all religion is not insanity, but creationism, well.....
 
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tosca1 said:
Of course it won't prove anything.....when obviously you're so scared to have a look and read! :lamo

Anyway, bye-bye.
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Oh, I did look. All you have is one solitary guy who doesn't actually support your position in any way. Must be tough knowing people have overwhelming rejected your claims.
 
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The Governor General shouldn't be making such offensive and divisive statements.

Just look how divisive this thread has become.....people like her - who don't know any better - had jumped on her spaceship, and think they've now got licensed to ridicule others for what they believe.
They copycat the space cadet, Juliette Payette. Wow, it rhymes. :lol:


What's she on about belittling people for their beliefs? Doesn't she have any respect for our Constitution?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Oh, I did look. All you have is one solitary guy who doesn't actually support your position in any way. Must be tough knowing people have overwhelming rejected your claims.
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You looked?


OH MY GOODNESS!

But......you forgot to read! :lol:
 
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tosca1 said:
You looked?


OH MY GOODNESS!

But......you forgot to read! :lol:
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You linked to a YouTube video buddy.

A YouTube video which was nothing more than one guy's opinion.

Perhaps you shouldn't "have time for me" like you've claimed repeatedly now, you are very bad at supporting your positions
 
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tosca1 said:
Irrelevant.
You're not the Governor General.
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Why should Governors General be forbidden to be in favour of reason?
 
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tosca1 said:
How can we have a Governor General - who's supposed to be representing the Queen -
be condescending towards the Queen?


I think Juliette Payette should step down as Governor General.
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I think Elizabeth Windsor should step down as Queen of Canada (and of the UK). Or, at the very least, from her absurd position as 'Head of the Church of England'. But that's just my opinion, as inconsequential as yours.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Whelp, that's your opinion and really nothing more.

Believed in "religion"? Oh, so the only "religions" out there are the ones that believe in creationism?

Yes, creationism is just nuts.

Mocking creationism is in no way, shape or form "out of bounds". It is an idiotic series of claims practiced at this point omg by fundamentalists--- who of course are rather notorious for having a very loose grasp on reality.

Children deserve better than to have people present insanity as a possible fact. And no, all religion is not insanity, but creationism, well.....
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Mocking is the sign of insecurity and a weak mind.

Those who are secure in their beliefs need not mock others.
 
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Sweden said:
Why should Governors General be forbidden to be in favour of reason?
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Quite apart from the creationist aspect that appears to drive this thread barely having found address in her speech at the Canadian Science Policy Convention, where she
urged her friends and former colleagues to take responsibility to shut down the misinformation about everything from health and medicine to climate change and even horoscopes that has flourished with the explosion of digital media.
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the issue that appears to be taken umbrage with here, being
“And we are still debating and still questioning whether life was a divine intervention or whether it was coming out of a natural process let alone, oh my goodness, a random process.”
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where the far more pertinent message lay in
“Democracy and society have always gained from learned debate but we have to remain vigilant and we cannot let ourselves fall into complacency and we must be vocal, all the time, everywhere, every single one of us, so we can deconstruct misinformation and don’t end up in an echo chamber just listening to what we want to hear,”
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Payette scoffs at climate change skeptics during science conference - Macleans.ca

I can understand the controversy over the manner in which these points might perhaps have better been made (according to the sensibilities of some that are far from representing a majority), but this thread shows no more than a desire to get back at somebody that doesn't agree with creationism constituting a science.

And to the best of my knowledge, the way a Governor General is supposed to speak (anywhere) is as yet not covered in any way by Canadian law.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Mocking is the sign of insecurity and a weak mind.

Those who are secure in their beliefs need not mock others.
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Those who continue to press for long discredited beliefs and who try to indoctrinate others deserve to be mocked.

You can be secure in your beliefs and still point out the glaring absurdities of idiots.
 
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Sweden said:
I think Elizabeth Windsor should step down as Queen of Canada (and of the UK). Or, at the very least, from her absurd position as 'Head of the Church of England'. But that's just my opinion, as inconsequential as yours.
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Well the claim (that in the post which you respond to) is rather questionable anyway. With none of us having any way of knowing, it nevertheless remains doubtful that Elizabeth R would be particular bothered. Seeing how her first born is prone to saying pretty much the same things as the Governor General, albeit in a more circumspect manner, and the Church of England (wisely) not taking a conclusive stance on creationism anyway.

But then this thread being just an attempt at creating a surrogate war theatre for what actually happens elsewhere, it's all much to do about nothing.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Those who continue to press for long discredited beliefs and who try to indoctrinate others deserve to be mocked.

You can be secure in your beliefs and still point out the glaring absurdities of idiots.
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Not really. A person who is secure in his beliefs does not find the need to mock the beliefs of others. It's only when he feels the beliefs of others can somehow threaten him that he will mock them, as I explained earlier, it's based in fear.

The person who is secure (assuming he's also intelligent) realizes that no two people think exactly alike and that different groups evolve at different societal rates.

That's why you mostly find the uneducated and the uncouth mocking others. There are always exceptions, of course, but by and large most of the very brightest behave in much the same way as Einstein did -- they don't mock or make fun of anyone. They're just a tad higher on the evolutionary scale. They leave the mocking to the one more suited to the "redneck" genre.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Not really. A person who is secure in his beliefs does not find the need to mock the beliefs of others. It's only when he feels the beliefs of others can somehow threaten him that he will mock them, as I explained earlier, it's based in fear.

The person who is secure (assuming he's also intelligent) realizes that no two people think exactly alike and that different groups evolve at different societal rates.

That's why you mostly find the uneducated and the uncouth mocking others. There are always exceptions, of course, but by and large most of the very brightest behave in much the same way as Einstein did -- they don't mock or make fun of anyone. They're just a tad higher on the evolutionary scale. They leave the mocking to the one more suited to the "redneck" genre.
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By all of which you could in fact be addressing the manner in which this thread (better said it's attack) is being presented.;)
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's keep the personal comments and side swipes out of the discussion. Further more this thread is not about the existence of God. It is about a Canadian government official who mocked a segment of the population which she is supposed to govern/represent. Stick to the topic or be booted.
 
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Chagos said:
Well the claim (that in the post which you respond to) is rather questionable anyway. With none of us having any way of knowing, it nevertheless remains doubtful that Elizabeth R would be particular bothered. Seeing how her first born is prone to saying pretty much the same things as the Governor General, albeit in a more circumspect manner, and the Church of England (wisely) not taking a conclusive stance on creationism anyway.

But then this thread being just an attempt at creating a surrogate war theatre for what actually happens elsewhere, it's all much to do about nothing.
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Britain's next King, Charles the Foolish, has gone on record saying that he wants to be Defender of Faiths, rather than Defender of the Faith, the title awarded to Henry VIII by Pope Leo X and used by English monarchs ever since. Oh! the irony!
 
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Sweden said:
Britain's next King, Charles the Foolish, has gone on record saying that he wants to be Defender of Faiths, rather than Defender of the Faith, the title awarded to Henry VIII by Pope Leo X and used by English monarchs ever since. Oh! the irony!
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Also ironic in the giver of the title having long since been chucked, with the title nevertheless being retained.

The question remaining though, to get back on topic, what regulations actually prescribe what a Governor General in Canada may or may not say when speaking at a Science Policy Conference.

I doubt that addressing bogus science would be off limits and frankly, calling it for what it is can probably not be achieved without the one or other getting offended by that.

The way this thing seems to be going, nobody should pose to her the question of whether to base their next career choice on whether or not Gemini is in rise or whether sugar pills help with cancer, seeing how she needs to be muzzled on anything, even when having been invited as a speaker to a Conference.
 
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For those interested, here is her speech, the supposedly "controversial" part beginning at 2:48

 
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Chagos said:
For those interested, here is her speech, the supposedly "controversial" part beginning at 2:48

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What about it? What is "supposed," about it? Why don't you explain.

She made a deliberate mock - complete with the tone, and that eye-roll - from timer: 3:20!

Her position as Governor General, making such kind of speech that belittles and mocks other people's belief, is what made it controversial.



She's APPOINTED to supposedly represent the Queen.
Well, the Queen is the head of the Church of England!

What is the Church of England? Does she have any idea what it is?
Somebody ought to explain to her that it's definitely not the Church of the Non-Believers! :lol:

https://www.churchofengland.org/our-faith.aspx



Well, not only did she not understand the boundaries that her position ought to navigate when making public speeches - but she displayed her own ignorance!

She, being a supposed scientist, should know that she can't give conclusions when it comes to existence of God! That's why she's being mocked in return, she's in lala-land! She brought it on herself!

OH MY GOODNESS.

She's another pompous atheist scientist who makes UNSUBSTANTIATED and FALSE CLAIMS!
Our space cadet .......had turned out to be a clone of Dawkins! :lol:
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Those who continue to press for long discredited beliefs and who try to indoctrinate others deserve to be mocked.

You can be secure in your beliefs and still point out the glaring absurdities of idiots.
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Create your own thread, and mock whomever you wish.
This thread is about the controversy over what our Governor General had publicly ridiculed - and the
backlash from it. She is the subject.
 
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Here is the controversial part:






".....that we are still debating, or still questioning, whether life was a divine intervention...or whether it was.... coming out of a natural process let alone.....Oh my goodness...lo and behold (eye-roll) random.... process."

Then she went on to mock those who believes in other things....
 
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