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Does it make sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter?

Oh, too rich not to tear

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Uhhhhh.... isn't that the argument against DACA in the US to start with? What's wrong with Canadian DACA, it's so great for us....
 
Yes_Minister said:
Does it make sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter? This CBC opinion piece argues it doesn't make sense:

It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
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It doesn't have to make sense to you or anyone else. Such choices only need to make sense to the person involved.

I have never understood this constant drive to control the thoughts and opinions of others.

IMO, unless someone acts to harm others or the property of others, they can think, feel, or believe whatever they wish. :coffeepap:
 
Captain Adverse said:
It doesn't have to make sense to you or anyone else. Such choices only need to make sense to the person involved.

I have never understood this constant drive to control the thoughts and opinions of others.

IMO, unless someone acts to harm others or the property of others, they can think, feel, or believe whatever they wish. :coffeepap:
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Sure and no one is saying it should be illegal to support Trump in Canada, Canada has freedom of speech too.

I think the thing is, Americans put a lot of value on patriotism and Canadians does too, just in a different way. I think there is a feeling among some that its hard to be considered a patriotic Canadian and a Trump supporter, because those things can be seen in conflict with each other, what if Canada's interests and Trump's interests are not the same, then what?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Sure and no one is saying it should be illegal to support Trump in Canada, Canada has freedom of speech too.

I think the thing is, Americans put a lot of value on patriotism and Canadians does too, just in a different way. I think there is a feeling among some that its hard to be considered a patriotic Canadian and a Trump supporter, because those things can be seen in conflict with each other, what if Canada's interests and Trump's interests are not the same, then what?
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Then, like any other human being, they will act in the exercise of their own free will and deal with the consequences, if any.

So what?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Then, like any other human being, they will act in the exercise of their own free will and deal with the consequences, if any.

So what?
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I think you are missing my point, no one is saying Canadians can't support Trump, but if a Canadian is seen as someone who wants to make Canada Trump's lap dog, many other Canadians would lose respect for such a person, that person still has the freedom to express his or her beliefs, but there can be a unwritten social cost to them.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Only if you believe a Canadian must believe in X, Y, Z things to be a real Canadian. think the very premise of that idea is extremely condescending and that's before I even read the rationale.
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Don't Republicans promote a "Real American" ideal in their rhetoric?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Don't Republicans promote a "Real American" ideal in their rhetoric?
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some republicans absolutely promote that.

and I absolutely do not agree with that.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The people of the Earth are interconnected now, this is one of the fruits of technology, of course it makes sense.

We are still discovering whether the fruit is rotten.
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Fair enough, but Canada is still Canada and Canadians who pick a US President over Canada's interests can be treated with mistrust by other Canadians, especially if the President is considered hostile to Canada's interests.

Really I think think how trade talks will go, will determine how popular Canadians who support Trump will be. Most Canadians don't like a lot of his policies, but know internal US policies are not something they can change or affects them that much and some can see ways to profit off Trump's policies:

American tech workers are flocking to Canadian startups post-election - Business Insider

I actually don't think Trump has done much out of the ordinary towards Canada so far, sure a few curt words from Trump so far, but I think most Canadians just expect that from him so far, its not like PM is going to get into a war of words with Trump over that or his internal policies. LBJ once assaulted Lester Pearson, a few harsh words are nothing. Really if Clinton was President, we would have seen those lumber tariffs, lumber tariffs seem to appear every decade or so, regardless of the President.

Now if Trump starts a huge war and tries to get Canada involved or tries to damage the Canadian economy with massive tariffs, then the majority of Canadians will be unhappy and being a Trump supporter in Canada will be unpopular.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
As a citizen of the States with family in Canada......

Who gives a crap.
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Eh, we got people commenting on protests by NFL players on this site, I think this is slightly more relevant.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Fair enough, but Canada is still Canada and Canadians who pick a US President over Canada's interests can be treated with mistrust by other Canadians, especially if the President is considered hostile to Canada's interests.

Really I think think how trade talks will go, will determine how popular Canadians who support Trump will be. Most Canadians don't like a lot of his policies, but know internal US policies are not something they can change or affects them that much and some can see ways to profit off Trump's policies:

American tech workers are flocking to Canadian startups post-election - Business Insider

I actually don't think Trump has done much out of the ordinary towards Canada so far, sure a few curt words from Trump so far, but I think most Canadians just expect that from him so far, its not like PM is going to get into a war of words with Trump over that or his internal policies. LBJ once assaulted Lester Pearson, a few harsh words are nothing. Really if Clinton was President, we would have seen those lumber tariffs, lumber tariffs seem to appear every decade or so, regardless of the President.

Now if Trump starts a huge war and tries to get Canada involved or tries to damage the Canadian economy with massive tariffs, then the majority of Canadians will be unhappy and being a Trump supporter in Canada will be unpopular.
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Let me ask you this...How many people in Canada do you figure would like to see more Trumps, either in America or anywhere else in the world?

Second Question: How much does what other people and countries decide and also do and also think impact Canada in ways such as economy and tourism and terrorism and war and refugies?

Which ideas are winning the day all around the globe greatly impacts Canada and Canadians given the way we have choosen to organize the human race, as you and everyone else knows.




I find this thread to be silly.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Let me ask you this...How many people in Canada do you figure would like to see more Trumps, either in America or anywhere else in the world?

Second Question: How much does what other people and countries decide and also do and also think impact Canada in ways such as economy and tourism and terrorism and war and refugies?

Which ideas are winning the day all around the globe greatly impacts Canada and Canadians given the way we have choosen to organize the human race, as you and everyone else knows.




I find this thread to be silly.
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I don't think Trump is that popular in Canada:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/3558637/canadian-opinions-united-states-poll/amp/

And frankly I don't think Trump's ideology works for Canada, Canada has supported international institutions because being a weaker player then the US limits what it can do outside of international organization, invovlement in such organizations lets Canada punch above its weight on the world stage.

Also Canada is impacted by a lot by one country, the US. Canadian towns put up American flags to attract tourists and frankly I do think Canada and the US have a symbiotic relationship, its not perfect, it has its rough spots, but Canada is about the best neighbor the US can have. I don't think Canada or the US needs to rework a relationship that has been fine for decades or have a competition on who will win more in regards to trade. I think its better to be friendly then hostile to each other.

Canada can't have a Canada First policy, because that would conflict with America First and we know who will win there. Trump and Trudeau don't have to be best buddies to have a functional relationship, as long as everyone acts reasonably, things could work out well for everyone.

And I still think this thread is more relevant then the NFL protest threads.
 
You can support whoever you want to, nationality not limiting. An opinion piece from the typically biased CBC doesn't change that.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Does it make sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter? This CBC opinion piece argues it doesn't make sense:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/canadian-trump-supporter-1.4279639
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Yes_Minister:

Since Canada is renegotiating NAFTA and is encountering other trade issues with a growingly protectionist Trump administration, it seems less and less sensible to be a Canadian Trump supporter these days. Just ask a Bombardier employee if Trump is good for Canadian-US relations. The Trump administration cites 1.3 billion dollars in subsidies, grants and low interest loan guarantees to Bombardier as an unfair burden on Boeing to justify slapping on tariffs but fails to recognize the 13.4 billion dollars the US Federal and state governments gave to Boeing over the same time period.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Does it make sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter? This CBC opinion piece argues it doesn't make sense:

It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
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It doesn't make sense if the Trump supporter is a Liberal.

But it does makes sense for Conservatives who agree with some of the policies of Trump - and can only hope that they have a conservative Canadian leader like him.

A lot of conservative Canadians don't agree with subsidizing and throwing billions at Bombardier, or the fact that the Liberal government regulates businesses so much that our own companies can't compete with other countries.

It's not Trump who's killing our businesses. It's the socialist-leaning liberals.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
Fair enough, but Canada is still Canada and Canadians who pick a US President over Canada's interests can be treated with mistrust by other Canadians, especially if the President is considered hostile to Canada's interests.

Really I think think how trade talks will go, will determine how popular Canadians who support Trump will be.
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That's the problem with liberals. It's a witch-hunt on who are Trump supporters. No doubt, Trump supporters will be dealt with.

Even Crosby is getting the flak for agreeing to go to the White House - and for not speaking out against Trump.
 
tosca1 said:
It doesn't make sense if the Trump supporter is a Liberal.

But it does makes sense for Conservatives who agree with some of the policies of Trump - and can only hope that they have a conservative Canadian leader like him.

A lot of conservative Canadians don't agree with subsidizing and throwing billions at Bombardier, or the fact that the Liberal government regulates businesses so much that our own companies can't compete with other countries.

It's not Trump who's killing our businesses. It's the socialist-leaning liberals.
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Okay, but as a Canadian Trump supporter are you okay with Boeing getting subsidized?

Here is the problem, Trump seems think trade rules apply to every country but the US and wants to put one sided deals in place, where Canada and Mexico have to completely open their markets, but Trump can impose tariffs on a whim, where Canadian and Mexican subsidies are bad, but American ones are fine.

If Trump tries to impose a one sided trade deal on Canada, would you still support him?
 
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Yes_Minister said:
Okay, but as a Canadian Trump supporter are okay with Boeing getting subsidized?
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I don't know much about that, to be honest.
But I do know - and resent the fact that we wasted billions on Bombardier! It was like extortion too - that ominous threat that thousands will lose their jobs if we don't bail it out! I don't like to have a gun on my head to bail out a company that's undoubtedly being run by incompetent people. This isn't the first time we bailed them out!

Bombardier ties with Ottawa run deep

The key, many suggest, is the company's tight and myriad connections to the federal government.

Chairman Laurent Beaudoin is a personal friend of Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's, and an outspoken federalist who rallied to Mr. Chrétien's side in the 1995 Quebec sovereignty referendum. Robert Brown, the current president and chief executive officer of the company, is a former senior assistant deputy minister in the federal Industry department. Pierre Pichette, the company's director of public affairs, previously held a parallel post at the Department of Foreign Affairs. The company is also a major donor to the federal Liberal Party.
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https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/re...25429432/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&




Here is the problem, Trump seems think trade rules apply to every country but the US and wants to put one sided deals in place, where Canada and Mexico have to completely open their markets, but Trump can impose tariffs on a whim, where Canadian and Mexican subsidies are bad, but American ones are fine.

If Trump tries to impose a one sided trade deal on Canada, would you still support him?
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Our negotiators better be on their toes! Union says NAFTA is bad for Canada - so why are we in it? Who made that deal for us? Surely not Trump?

Union blames NAFTA for GM slashing 625 Ont. jobs

General Motors is cutting 625 jobs at its assembly plant near London, Ont., a move that union officials say demonstrates why NAFTA has been a bad deal for the Canadian automotive industry as jobs have migrated to lower-cost jurisdictions such as Mexico.
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Union blames NAFTA for GM slashing 625 Ont. jobs | Ontario | News | Toronto Sun


Besides, I support Trump for other reasons.
 
tosca1 said:
I don't know much about that, to be honest.
But I do know - and resent the fact that we wasted billions on Bombardier! It was like extortion too - that ominous threat that thousands will lose their jobs if we don't bail it out! I don't like to have a gun on my head to bail out a company that's undoubtedly being run by incompetent people. This isn't the first time we bailed them out!
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Then maybe you should research Boeing subsidies then, because the US government subsidies them a lot:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3773916/bombardier-boeing-subsidies/

It seems like the US thinks these rules apply to others, but not them and frankly Trump is the ultimate standard bearer of this double standard.


tosca1 said:


https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/re...25429432/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
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I am not going to defend Bombardier that much, but how are Canadian companies supposed to compete fairly if the US says it okay to subsidize companies like Boeing, but its wrong to subsidize companies like Bombardier?





tosca1 said:
Our negotiators better be on their toes! Union says NAFTA is bad for Canada - so why are we in it? Who made that deal for us? Surely not Trump?


Union blames NAFTA for GM slashing 625 Ont. jobs | Ontario | News | Toronto Sun
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And if our negotiators are not "on their toes" and Trump tries to impose a new even more unfair deal, should Canadians just grin and bear it, because the US is stronger and is trying to bully Canada in these talks? This has nothing to do with "being on our toes" and everything to do with Trump being unreasonable, being on our toes would be good advice if I thought these current NAFTA talks were fair, but I don't think they are.

I am not going to defend the current NAFTA that much, you can say its failed in some areas, but I don't think Trump has any intention of replacing it with something more fair and good for all parties involved.

tosca1 said:
Besides, I support Trump for other reasons.
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Okay, you mind sharing what those are? And what do you think are more important Trump's interests or Canada's interests? Because those will not always be the same.
 
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