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Ontario's Marijuana Distribution Plan is Horrible

Just sell it out of regular OLCB stores.

Simple efficient and controllable

If they allowed internet purchases as well (with stringent ID and buyer registration requirements), in addition to specialized outlets, and a broad selection of strains, an LCBO specific rollout would work well, but this is sadly not the direction they're going at all.
 
Everybody' saying they're not prepared for it - that they need more time.
But young Trudeau just wouldn't listen.

This will be another boondagle that will cost us big time.
 
Ontario's Marijuana Distribution Plan is Horrible

just sell it in regular stores like other intoxicants.
 
Everybody' saying they're not prepared for it - that they need more time.
But young Trudeau just wouldn't listen.

This will be another boondagle that will cost us big time.

Who's everyone?

Also the fault for this ****ty plan falls squarely on the shoulders of Wynne and her partners in crafting this legislation.
 
Morneau even admitted that they're not really ready!

"We accept that there's much more work to be done, but we've started down that path and we are going to work to get to a conclusion by July, 2018," he said.
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...35383802/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&


Just because you've "started down that so-called path...." why would you insist to go on if you're not really prepared?

It's another HALF-BAKED PLAN that will squander billions! Another GUN-REGISTRY kind of boondagle.



It's the arrogance, that's quite so amazing!
 

Morneau even admitted that they're not really ready!


https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...35383802/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&


Just because you've "started down that so-called path...." why would you insist to go on if you're not really prepared?

It's another HALF-BAKED PLAN that will squander billions! Another GUN-REGISTRY kind of boondagle.



It's the arrogance, that's quite so amazing!

What I've seen in the linked articles that some provinces and police organizations have stated they aren't ready; there isn't unanimity.

And yes, I think it's prudent to have contingencies for those provinces that are not.

Personally I approve of seizing the initiative to initiate and complete the legalization process and having grace periods for the laggards rather than kicking the can down the road indefinitely and letting those laggards (some of which are slow due to lack of will, not capability) dictate the pace of an important and long overdue national change.
 
What I've seen in the linked articles that some provinces and police organizations have stated they aren't ready; there isn't unanimity.

And yes, I think it's prudent to have contingencies for those provinces that are not.

Personally I approve of seizing the initiative to initiate and complete the legalization process and having grace periods for the laggards rather than kicking the can down the road indefinitely and letting those laggards (some of which are slow due to lack of will, not capability) dictate the pace of an important and long overdue national change.

If there are provinces that are not ready - then they're not ready to go nation-wide!
 
If there are provinces that are not ready - then they're not ready to go nation-wide!

So are you telling me we let a minority of hold outs dictate the rollout of important national changes across the entirety of the country?

There are always going to be provinces who claim they're 'not ready' and some of those are going to do so on mostly or purely ideological/political grounds; they should absolutely not halt things for the provinces that are.
 
So are you telling me we let a minority of hold outs dictate the rollout of important national changes across the entirety of the country?

There are always going to be provinces who claim they're 'not ready' and some of those are going to do so on mostly or purely ideological/political grounds; they should absolutely not halt things for the provinces that are.

Read again: If there are provinces that are not ready - then they're not ready to go nation-wide!
 
What needs to get ready for?

Treat it like alcohol regarding the sale of it for the most part. 95% of the regulations/requirements for the sale of it would be covered by just following the regulations for the sale of alcohol. Tax rates can be adjusted every year to adjust for market conditions. Regulating growers can follow the same for distillers (note making your own hard liquor at home requires a license to do it legally)

The police can do sobriety tests for MJ as they would for any other drugs until a reliable test shows intoxication for MJ (not just presence of metabolites).

The only reason provinces will not be ready is because they dont want to be
 
Read again: If there are provinces that are not ready - then they're not ready to go nation-wide!

I interpret that as saying that rollout should be halted due to hold out provinces which I vehemently disagree with.

Bottomline: if a majority of provinces are ready to proceed with changes that are ultimately to be nationwide, do so, and make contingencies/accommodations for the minority, though they will in the end conform to the national standard; there is no 'opt out' or compromise.
 
If there are provinces that are not ready - then they're not ready to go nation-wide!

Well, get ready! How long does it take? We're all lined up and ready here in BC. Why should federal legislation have to wait for incompetent provincial politicians to get off their butts? Not like this was sprung out of nowhere.
If the Ontario government screws this up it's on them, not the feds.
 
So it looks like Ontario has failed the whole point of the exercise. The government wants to limit sales to most likely LCBO-run stores and online distribution, and there is only going to 40 of them to begin with. That is not going to be able to meet demand for the whole of Ontario, defeating the whole point of making it legal to take business away from illegal sources. Since it is the LCBO it also means they will probably charge insane prices further pushing people to continue buying from illegal sources.

Ontario has already failed, hopefully the other provinces don't follow.



Ontario "the good"...

Shame on the NDP, afraid of upsetting the 'law and order' leaning union base.m It won't work. The cost of producing a gram of high grade pot is $1 now, the best fine system they can come up with that would be constitutional [it's not a crime, so it's regulation a whole new ball game] would be less than a license so **** it. We've already heard from growers here that the black or rather 'grey market' demand is off the scale in Ontario.

But we may have the same problem here, while this city has 125 dispensaries operating as "medical" but is 90% recreational. The NDP has just come to power and has asked for on-line input. 2 minutes read of the poll tells you they already know what they're going to do, put it in government run liquor stores as payback to the BCGEU, the biggest union in the province who helped deliver the electoral victory.

So, the word on "the street", or behind closed dispensary doors is a deep concern about demand and having enough growing power. The market is expanding exponentially here and growers are meeting that demand, but Ontario and Alberta are shopping here. So where will Ontario and BC liquor stores get product? Especially since the established grow industry hates government and has a little more than a century worth of experience operating illegally. Anyone who thinks these guys are simply going to roll over and say "sure, here for whatever price and watch it get sold for $20 a gram is dreaming in technicolor.

Nope, easier and cheaper to stay gray market and conssider any fines a license fee and also pay back the government for the last 30 years of harassment?

Pleasant dreams on that one
 
There are many issues at stake with Pot legislation. It's not something you take lightly!
For crying out loud, we can't even deal with our opioid crisis......and here we pile a possible disaster on top of it!


Federal-provincial showdown looms over legal pot deadline
Premiers say time running out to address road safety, taxation and black market issues
Federal-provincial showdown looms over legal pot deadline - Politics - CBC News


What are employers' rights under this marijuana law?
Are surgeons, or anyone who holds critical responsibilities be tested before they do their jobs?
Are they allowed to be high?

What about cops? Can they indulge in marijuana while on duty?
What about tenant's rights? Can you refuse to rent to a pot head?
 
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There are many issues at stake with Pot legislation. It's not something you take lightly!
For crying out loud, we can't even deal with our opioid crisis......and here we pile a possible disaster on top of it!



Federal-provincial showdown looms over legal pot deadline - Politics - CBC News

What are employers' rights under this marijuana law?


Are surgeons, or anyone who holds critical responsibilities be tested before they do their jobs? Are they allowed to be high?
No. How is this different than the answer re booze?
What about cops? Can they indulge in marijuana while on duty?
No. How is this different than the answer re booze?
What about tenant's rights? Can you refuse to rent to a pot head?
You can declare the house non-smoking and not rent to a smoker. How is this different than the answer for cigarettes?
 
There are many issues at stake with Pot legislation. It's not something you take lightly!
For crying out loud, we can't even deal with our opioid crisis......and here we pile a possible disaster on top of it!



Federal-provincial showdown looms over legal pot deadline - Politics - CBC News

What are employers' rights under this marijuana law?
Are surgeons, or anyone who holds critical responsibilities be tested before they do their jobs? Are they allowed to be high?
What about cops? Can they indulge in marijuana while on duty?
What about tenant's rights? Can you refuse to rent to a pot head?
Treat it like alcohol

Being intoxicared at work can and will get people fired. Solves the first three issues you bring up

As for the last add

Treat it like smoking as well. If the landlord can prohibit smoking, they can prohibit smoking pot.
 
Ontario "the good"...

Shame on the NDP, afraid of upsetting the 'law and order' leaning union base.m It won't work. The cost of producing a gram of high grade pot is $1 now, the best fine system they can come up with that would be constitutional [it's not a crime, so it's regulation a whole new ball game] would be less than a license so **** it. We've already heard from growers here that the black or rather 'grey market' demand is off the scale in Ontario.

But we may have the same problem here, while this city has 125 dispensaries operating as "medical" but is 90% recreational. The NDP has just come to power and has asked for on-line input. 2 minutes read of the poll tells you they already know what they're going to do, put it in government run liquor stores as payback to the BCGEU, the biggest union in the province who helped deliver the electoral victory.

So, the word on "the street", or behind closed dispensary doors is a deep concern about demand and having enough growing power. The market is expanding exponentially here and growers are meeting that demand, but Ontario and Alberta are shopping here. So where will Ontario and BC liquor stores get product? Especially since the established grow industry hates government and has a little more than a century worth of experience operating illegally. Anyone who thinks these guys are simply going to roll over and say "sure, here for whatever price and watch it get sold for $20 a gram is dreaming in technicolor.

Nope, easier and cheaper to stay gray market and conssider any fines a license fee and also pay back the government for the last 30 years of harassment?

Pleasant dreams on that one

Sooner or later, I feel the marijuana issue will work itself out in Ontario due to the political pressures involved, both in terms of the general electorate and the powerful, well-heeled special interests who are champing at the bit to sell the stuff. As someone who directly works with pharmacy interests and corporations on a daily basis, I can tell you that any Govt that seeks draconian distribution specific to the LCBO or equivalent will be chafing against both sides which cannot possibly work in the long term. Though not as familiar with the specifics of its situation, I suspect the same will be true of BC, nevermind the Green party's pull with the NDP, which I don't feel is too keen on a govt chokehold (non)solution.
 
Alberta’s refs so far seem rational just need to see how they are going to sell it. Private stores like alcohol or open government run stores. The bet is on private stores which will not be allowed to sell liquor as well
 
Sooner or later, I feel the marijuana issue will work itself out in Ontario due to the political pressures involved, both in terms of the general electorate and the powerful, well-heeled special interests who are champing at the bit to sell the stuff. As someone who directly works with pharmacy interests and corporations on a daily basis, I can tell you that any Govt that seeks draconian distribution specific to the LCBO or equivalent will be chafing against both sides which cannot possibly work in the long term. Though not as familiar with the specifics of its situation, I suspect the same will be true of BC, nevermind the Green party's pull with the NDP, which I don't feel is too keen on a govt chokehold (non)solution.



Well said, and good to know. Why would would it chafe the corporate sector? Some time ago when Vancouver went rogue and started licensing stores, there was some talk of big pharma trying to muscle in, create brand names etc. I wrote it off, and still do, as creative whimsy, or urban legend.
 
Well said, and good to know. Why would would it chafe the corporate sector? Some time ago when Vancouver went rogue and started licensing stores, there was some talk of big pharma trying to muscle in, create brand names etc. I wrote it off, and still do, as creative whimsy, or urban legend.

Talking about would be distributors/end sellers; they want to be able to sell the stuff, and Ontario style solutions where sales are centralized and exclusive to the LCBO preclude this entirely.
 
Well said, and good to know. Why would would it chafe the corporate sector? Some time ago when Vancouver went rogue and started licensing stores, there was some talk of big pharma trying to muscle in, create brand names etc. I wrote it off, and still do, as creative whimsy, or urban legend.

Shoppers Drug Mart was lobby for MJ to be issued from pharmacies. It would have been a revenue generator selling munchies and pot in the same store
 
Talking about would be distributors/end sellers; they want to be able to sell the stuff, and Ontario style solutions where sales are centralized and exclusive to the LCBO preclude this entirely.

If what the provinces set up doesn't work the marketplace will take up the slack. Not like a pot network would need to be created from scratch. It's not rocket science- either make something that works or other people will.
 
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