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They held vigils to show their solidarity with the so-called "anti-fascists" in Charlottesville, in a violent event that was allowed by brain-dead authorities to happen - letting two clashing groups to be in the same site at the same time. CBC even covered the funeral for the victim. I find it so hypocritical.

I mean, really....


Did we hold any vigils in solidarity with the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist (Khadr)?
Did CBC cover the murdered American's funeral?
 
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tosca1 said:
They held vigils to show their solidarity with the so-called "anti-fascists" in Charlottesville, in a violent event that was allowed by brain-dead authorities to happen - letting two clashing groups to be in the same site at the same time. CBC even covered the funeral for the victim. I find it so hypocritical.

I mean, really....


Did we hold any vigils in solidarity with the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist (Khadr)?
Did CBC cover the murdered American's funeral?
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The headline should be:
"Canada embraces American radical left in attempt to not be so boring."

Canadians are the most vacuous people I have ever met. Do I really give a rats ass about what a Canadian that got riled up by some half wit ex pat reject from America? Not in the slightest. In fact, my wife and I may cancel our vacation in Vancouver since antifa is now free to roam the streets of Canada with impunity committing mayhem on anyone who looks like a Trump supporter.

First they come for me, then the Eskimos.
 
tosca1 said:
They held vigils to show their solidarity with the so-called "anti-fascists" in Charlottesville, in a violent event that was allowed by brain-dead authorities to happen - letting two clashing groups to be in the same site at the same time. CBC even covered the funeral for the victim. I find it so hypocritical.

I mean, really....


Did we hold any vigils in solidarity with the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist (Khadr)?
Did CBC cover the murdered American's funeral?
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Canadians don't particularly like America any more from what I saw in PEW the other day.
 
tosca1 said:
They held vigils to show their solidarity with the so-called "anti-fascists" in Charlottesville, in a violent event that was allowed by brain-dead authorities to happen - letting two clashing groups to be in the same site at the same time. CBC even covered the funeral for the victim. I find it so hypocritical.

I mean, really....


Did we hold any vigils in solidarity with the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist (Khadr)?
Did CBC cover the murdered American's funeral?
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I am sorry but you can not murder a combatant in a war zone.

If you call throwing a grenade during a battle murder than you open up Canadian soldiers to be charged with murder anytime they kill someone in a warzone/battlefield
 
tosca1 said:
They held vigils to show their solidarity with the so-called "anti-fascists" in Charlottesville, in a violent event that was allowed by brain-dead authorities to happen - letting two clashing groups to be in the same site at the same time. CBC even covered the funeral for the victim. I find it so hypocritical.

I mean, really....


Did we hold any vigils in solidarity with the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist (Khadr)?
Did CBC cover the murdered American's funeral?
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I'm proud of my country. We picked the right side of this issue....for the most part, of course excluding the few wannabe alt-right embarrassments that are thankfully nowhere near the percentage of the population they are in the states.

And regarding Khadr, based on what you're saying here you don't know what you're talking about. But by all means, keep going off about it, because there is definitely a gotcha moment for you in there, especially if you're part of the "Nazis have rights too" crowd. No, we didn't televise the funeral...which is on par with how we treat every other funeral for American soldiers killed in the line of duty.

chuckiechan said:
In fact, my wife and I may cancel our vacation in Vancouver since antifa is now free to roam the streets of Canada with impunity committing mayhem on anyone who looks like a Trump supporter.
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Best news of the day so far. And you pointing fingers at others for being vacuous was the best ironic comedy of the day so far. So thank you.

Lord Tammerlain said:
I am sorry but you can not murder a combatant in a war zone.

If you call throwing a grenade during a battle murder than you open up Canadian soldiers to be charged with murder anytime they kill someone in a warzone/battlefield
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The logic of our intellectually challenged alt-right...were it possible for families of soldiers (or non combatants for that matter) killed by the American war machine to sue for wrongful death, America would be bankrupt, having committed "murder" more than just about anyone else since the close of the 2nd world war.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I am sorry but you can not murder a combatant in a war zone.
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That so-called protest was a war zone!



If you call throwing a grenade during a battle murder than you open up Canadian soldiers to be charged with murder anytime they kill someone in a warzone/battlefield
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So.....you're siding with the terrorist, just like those so-called anti-fascists?

That's funny. They're claiming to have solidarity with anti-fascists......... by siding with real FASCISTS! :mrgreen:



Furthermore, I'm talking about the victims! If Canada cares about deaths in the USA which are caused by US citizens....you'd think Canada would care even more about the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist!
 
OlNate said:
I'm proud of my country. We picked the right side of this issue....for the most part, of course excluding the few wannabe alt-right embarrassments that are thankfully nowhere near the percentage of the population they are in the states.

And regarding Khadr, based on what you're saying here you don't know what you're talking about. But by all means, keep going off about it, because there is definitely a gotcha moment for you in there, especially if you're part of the "Nazis have rights too" crowd. No, we didn't televise the funeral...which is on par with how we treat every other funeral for American soldiers killed in the line of duty.



Best news of the day so far. And you pointing fingers at others for being vacuous was the best ironic comedy of the day so far. So thank you.



The logic of our intellectually challenged alt-right...were it possible for families of soldiers (or non combatants for that matter) killed by the American war machine to sue for wrongful death, America would be bankrupt, having committed "murder" more than just about anyone else since the close of the 2nd world war.
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It's the ALT LEFT, that's logically challenged! See my response above. #6.
And the mainstream left wing sheeples who don't see past their noses.
 
tosca1 said:
That so-called protest was a war zone!





So.....you're siding with the terrorist, just like those so-called anti-fascists?

That's funny. They're claiming to have solidarity with anti-fascists......... by siding with real FASCISTS! :mrgreen:



Furthermore, I'm talking about the victims! If Canada cares about deaths in the USA which are caused by US citizens....you'd think Canada would care even more about the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist!
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Don't be an idiot

I was not talking about the protests in the US, but Khadr.

I am not siding with Khadr, but with logic and soldiers everywhere.

The Canadian military is operating in Iraq right now. Do you want the Iraqi government to start to charge Canadian soldiers with murder when they kill people during a fire fight? If Khadr can be charged with murder during a firefight by the US in a country that is definitely not the US, then logically the US soldiers involved in that firefight could be charged with murder by the Afghan government and have the same legal standing.
 
tosca1 said:
It's the ALT LEFT, that's logically challenged! See my response above. #6.
And the mainstream left wing sheeples who don't see past their noses.
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Geez........don't be such a snowflake.
Even Canada isn't cold enough to keep you from melting.
 
tosca1 said:
It's the ALT LEFT, that's logically challenged! See my response above. #6.
And the mainstream left wing sheeples who don't see past their noses.
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Good grief, alt left and sheeples? Could you be any more cliché and ridiculous? What, do you get all your material from the Rebel? lol... Please tell me you're not Canadian.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I am sorry but you can not murder a combatant in a war zone.

If you call throwing a grenade during a battle murder than you open up Canadian soldiers to be charged with murder anytime they kill someone in a warzone/battlefield
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I'm not sure I understand you. A terrorist is not a murderer, when he kills? Does the same apply to the army of a warlord fighting drug enforcement officers in regions with little or no formal government in place?
 
joG said:
I'm not sure I understand you. A terrorist is not a murderer, when he kills? Does the same apply to the army of a warlord fighting drug enforcement officers in regions with little or no formal government in place?
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It depends on where and when just as it would for a soldier

In a battlefield situation, with an actual firefight going on, in a war zone. Not murder, not for the soldiers, not for terrorists. Khadr should have been made a POW, and treated as such. With the war still ongoing it could still be in a POW camp

Setting off a bomb outside the war zone, targeting civilians, murder for both soldiers and for terrorists
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Don't be an idiot

I was not talking about the protests in the US, but Khadr.

I am not siding with Khadr, but with logic and soldiers everywhere.

The Canadian military is operating in Iraq right now. Do you want the Iraqi government to start to charge Canadian soldiers with murder when they kill people during a fire fight? If Khadr can be charged with murder during a firefight by the US in a country that is definitely not the US, then logically the US soldiers involved in that firefight could be charged with murder by the Afghan government and have the same legal standing.
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Well, you better read the OP again, and follow that logic.
 
tosca1 said:
Well, you better read the OP again, and follow that logic.
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Well

Just going by the title

I would rather stand with anti fascists, people opposed to the ideals of the KKK, Aryan Nations, and Neo Nazi's, than stand with the KKK, Aryan Nations, and Neo Nazi's.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Well

Just going by the title

I would rather stand with anti fascists, people opposed to the ideals of the KKK, Aryan Nations, and Neo Nazi's, than stand with the KKK, Aryan Nations, and Neo Nazi's.
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The problem is that fundamentally, the two groups do not differ in significant ways. They both want society to be based on collective identity rather than individuals. For BLM and the white supremicists/nationalists that means race, for Antifa that means political orientation and social class. Both sides support having enormous centralized government that is able to infringe upon the rights of those who are part of the wrong group; Richard Spencer recently wrote an article about how there should be single payer healthcare so that all white people can have healthcare, and all minorities can be kept from it, similarly BLM says on their website that one of their goals is to have white people pay reparations simply for the color of their skin, as the crime of being white apparently contributes to institutional racism, in addition many on the social justice side of things have actually proposed taxes specifically for white people because... slavery, or something. Finally, these extremists condone violence against political opponents for the sake of their ideology. Look at Charlottesville, look at Berkely, there are so many examples. My point is, if you are revolted by the KKK, nazis, white supremicists, great I'm with you 100%. Just don't take that to mean that the "opposite" side is good.
 
EtherSpren said:
The problem is that fundamentally, the two groups do not differ in significant ways. They both want society to be based on collective identity rather than individuals. For BLM and the white supremicists/nationalists that means race, for Antifa that means political orientation and social class. Both sides support having enormous centralized government that is able to infringe upon the rights of those who are part of the wrong group; Richard Spencer recently wrote an article about how there should be single payer healthcare so that all white people can have healthcare, and all minorities can be kept from it, similarly BLM says on their website that one of their goals is to have white people pay reparations simply for the color of their skin, as the crime of being white apparently contributes to institutional racism, in addition many on the social justice side of things have actually proposed taxes specifically for white people because... slavery, or something. Finally, these extremists condone violence against political opponents for the sake of their ideology. Look at Charlottesville, look at Berkely, there are so many examples. My point is, if you are revolted by the KKK, nazis, white supremicists, great I'm with you 100%. Just don't take that to mean that the "opposite" side is good.
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They differ in one significant aspect

Aryan Nations, the KKK, white Nationals, should they ever gain power have the stated goals of removing from Canada people who are part of my family and many of my neighbors.

Antifa, does not have that as part of their stated goals
For those stated goals alone if I had two choose between either of the two groups/sides I would choose Antifa. Because of those stated goals, there is no moral equivalence between the two groups.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They differ in one significant aspect

Aryan Nations, the KKK, white Nationals, should they ever gain power have the stated goals of removing from Canada people who are part of my family and many of my neighbors.

Antifa, does not have that as part of their stated goals
For those stated goals alone if I had two choose between either of the two groups/sides I would choose Antifa. Because of those stated goals, there is no moral equivalence between the two groups.
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Antifa is an anarcho-communist movement. If they had any consistency at all, as soon as they came to power, they would dissolve the entire government and expect that people would form little communities where everyone would be happy and all property would be communal, there would be no war, no poverty, and no starvation. Pretty soon they would have a rude awakening when society falls apart and the entire country is destroyed by masses of starving rioters. Let's just agree that either group coming to power would be a disaster, and let's both be thankful that there are more than two options when it comes to political affiliation.
 
EtherSpren said:
Antifa is an anarcho-communist movement. If they had any consistency at all, as soon as they came to power, they would dissolve the entire government and expect that people would form little communities where everyone would be happy and all property would be communal, there would be no war, no poverty, and no starvation. Pretty soon they would have a rude awakening when society falls apart and the entire country is destroyed by masses of starving rioters. Let's just agree that either group coming to power would be a disaster, and let's both be thankful that there are more than two options when it comes to political affiliation.
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Which is why I have no fear of Antifa

They will be fringe group and stay that way.

But ethno nationalist groups (ie white nationals, Aryan nations etc) under the right conditions can become part of government or gain significant amounts of political power

See Golden Dawn in Greece or the BNP party in the UK

The BNP calls for the non-white population of Britain to either be reduced in size or removed from the country altogether.[13] Under Tyndall's leadership it promoted the compulsory removal of non-whites from the UK, stating that under a BNP government they would be "repatriated" to their countries of origin.[182] In the early 1990s it produced stickers with the slogan "Our Final Solution: Repatriation".[182] Tyndall understood this to be a two-stage process that would take ten to twenty years, with some non-whites initially leaving willingly and the others then being forcibly deported.[183] During the 1990s, party modernisers suggested that the BNP move away from a policy of compulsory repatriation and toward a voluntary system, whereby non-white persons would be offered financial incentives to leave the UK.[184] This idea, adopted from Powellism, was deemed more electorally palatable.[184]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Anti-immigrationism_and_repatriation

So as shown by political success of racist parties in Europe, there is a legitimate reason to be concerned about that potential in Canada. A severe economic downturn which causes mass unemployment with a much reduce social safety net would be the most logical cause of such success in Canada. No such economic downturn and the potential for it to occur is very very small
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Which is why I have no fear of Antifa

They will be fringe group and stay that way.

See Golden Dawn in Greece or the BNP party in the UK



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Anti-immigrationism_and_repatriation

So as shown by political success of racist parties in Europe, there is a legitimate reason to be concerned about that potential in Canada. A severe economic downturn which causes mass unemployment with a much reduce social safety net would be the most logical cause of such success in Canada. No such economic downturn and the potential for it to occur is very very small
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BNP is a fringe movement too. According to their wikipedia page they have only 3,000 members 0 seats in the house of commons, 0 seats in the house of lords, 0 seats in the European parliment, 0 seats in the Scottish parliment, they don't have a single seat in any local government in all of the UK. The Golden Dawn is more powerful, it does have some seats within Greece's government, but the economic and cultural situation in Greece is in absolutely no way comparable to that of Canada, they are in an insane depression, and that kind of thing always leads to populist and nationalist movements, some of which are bound to be extreme. This does not mean that white supremecy or white nationalism aren't bad. They are absolutely evil ideologies. But that does not change the fact that they are fringe movements in the Western world.

The danger here is seeing these groups (both antifa and the alt-right) as bigger and more powerful than they really are. That sort of thing makes people more afraid of them and drives ordinary right-wingers into the arms of the alt-right as they feel it is the only way to combat the communists, and ordinary left wingers into the arms of antifa as they feel it is the only way to combat the nazis. We need to call both of these groups out for what they are: evil, extremist fringe groups who are in direct opposition to our Western values of liberal democracy, individualism, freedom, and equality under the law.
 
I wonder where the vigils were when ANTIFA and BLM groups were murdering the police and acting violently during riots?
 
chuckiechan said:
The headline should be:
"Canada embraces American radical left in attempt to not be so boring."

Canadians are the most vacuous people I have ever met. Do I really give a rats ass about what a Canadian that got riled up by some half wit ex pat reject from America? Not in the slightest. In fact, my wife and I may cancel our vacation in Vancouver since antifa is now free to roam the streets of Canada with impunity committing mayhem on anyone who looks like a Trump supporter.

First they come for me, then the Eskimos.
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Get over yourself. You're not as important as you think you are.
 
joG said:
I'm not sure I understand you. A terrorist is not a murderer, when he kills? Does the same apply to the army of a warlord fighting drug enforcement officers in regions with little or no formal government in place?
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Somehow anyone who resists an American invasion is an insurgent and a terrorist.
Truth is the first casualty of war. (I forget who to attribute that to).
 
tosca1 said:
They held vigils to show their solidarity with the so-called "anti-fascists" in Charlottesville, in a violent event that was allowed by brain-dead authorities to happen - letting two clashing groups to be in the same site at the same time. CBC even covered the funeral for the victim. I find it so hypocritical.

I mean, really....


Did we hold any vigils in solidarity with the American that was killed by a Canadian terrorist (Khadr)?
Did CBC cover the murdered American's funeral?
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Hey, didn't a nazi kill someone in Charlottesville?
 
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