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I suggest you read all of that Coroner's service report. Your ignorance of the problem is profound.

The largest insult of your post is being astonished that sometimes they have to be revived several times. It shows a shallow, judgemental attitude toward a disease sweeping through our culture; you seem to want to blame the addict like the 1920's

In closing, this conversation originated about "Insight" the harm reduction program a Canadian hater poster who used Fentanyl deaths to suggest Insight is a failure. Typical conservative ignorance and stupidity, and why I get so ****ing tired of the ignorance.

Fentanyl is a pill, sometimes a capsule. Insight is a harm reduction primarily for injection users. The only think fentanyl and heroin is they both kill.

For the record, Insight has been a huge success, it's model is now being followed in Toronto, Paris, and other European cities.


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Vancouver Fire and Rescue Services reports 168 overdose response calls for the first week of May and the Vancouver Police Department reported seven suspected overdose deaths for the same period.

Several times? 7 times or more the same day is hardly "several". This is a complete waste of tax-payer funded services and people-power. While Freddie The Frequent Flyer and his ilk are consuming these services at a prodigious rate, Aunt Fanny is breathing her last on the kitchen floor because first responders and ambulances are tied up reviving for the umteenth time people who essentially just want to die. I say let 'em go.

In-sight is a success? because it keeps alive the criminals who are robbing homes and cars to support their habits? I don't call that a success, I call that empowering criminal activity.

Either let these people die as they obviously wish to do or ignore the bloody bleeding hearts and force them into treatment.
 
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Vancouver Fire and Rescue Services reports 168 overdose response calls for the first week of May and the Vancouver Police Department reported seven suspected overdose deaths for the same period.

Several times? 7 times or more the same day is hardly "several". This is a complete waste of tax-payer funded services and people-power. While Freddie The Frequent Flyer and his ilk are consuming these services at a prodigious rate, Aunt Fanny is breathing her last on the kitchen floor because first responders and ambulances are tied up reviving for the umteenth time people who essentially just want to die. I say let 'em go.

In-sight is a success? because it keeps alive the criminals who are robbing homes and cars to support their habits? I don't call that a success, I call that empowering criminal activity.

Either let these people die as they obviously wish to do or ignore the bloody bleeding hearts and force them into treatment.

I love how he's talking about Heroin addiction as a "disease" well so is small pox, once upon a time in Serbia (1972) there was a small pox outbreak and Josip Tito had armed soldiers roaming the streets forcibly quarantining everyone and making the entire population get re-vaccinated, the WHO considers this the premeir public health success of the 20th century, following the disease logic using a heavy hand of the military to forcibly treat people is every bit as legitimate a strategy as simply enabling heroin users to keep using.
 
I suggest you read all of that Coroner's service report. Your ignorance of the problem is profound.
actually both of us have shown we've conducted research of the topic
The largest insult of your post is being astonished that sometimes they have to be revived several times. It shows a shallow, judgemental attitude toward a disease sweeping through our culture; you seem to want to blame the addict like the 1920's
There is no one else to blame other than the addict, I didn't put a gun to anyone's head and force them to take opioids, did anybody? Judgemental or not, no one person is worth endless amounts of resources, so asking how many times we should be reviving people before that revival should come with arrest and court mandated treatment is definitely something policy makers should consider.
In closing, this conversation originated about "Insight" the harm reduction program a Canadian hater poster who used Fentanyl deaths to suggest Insight is a failure. Typical conservative ignorance and stupidity, and why I get so ****ing tired of the ignorance.

I don't hate Canada, so that's a non-sequitur.

Fentanyl is a pill, sometimes a capsule. Insight is a harm reduction primarily for injection users. The only think fentanyl and heroin is they both kill.

Fentanyl is an opioid just like heroin, in fact it is often mixed with heroin and then injected. Or it is taken by people who also inject heroin. It's the same demographic using both, also the medical response to both is exactly same. administration of nalaxone. It's a distinction without a difference. Since the same demographic is using both drugs then encouraging any use of opioids is encouraging use of fentanyl, and that's why Vancouver metro has a hair under a thousand overdose deaths while similar metro areas in the US have a third to a quarter that number. San Diego county which you brought up earlier, the most recent numbers I can find show 90 opioid over dose deaths in a county with a million more people then the Vancouver Metro.

When you encourage people to just hang out and use drugs and not seek treatment, you leave them addicted to drugs, and insight is only open during the day, so what if you want to shoot smack at midnight? you're going to do it and not be under medical supervision. to claim it is a success because nobody has died "at" the safe use site is completely dishonest, it is creating an acceptable drug culture which is leading to more deaths. We see this from Insites own numbers, which show less then 250 people out of 6,500 visitors last year completed treatment, someone who's enabled to get high doesn't want treatment, they need to hit bottom before they decide to take it. Not only that the downtown eastside is an open air drug bazaar, complete with rampant property crime, drug dealing, and all the the problems that go with it.

For the record, Insight has been a huge success, it's model is now being followed in Toronto, Paris, and other European cities.
Well with a hair under 1000 opioid deaths a year I dispute the method of determining success.
 
I love how he's talking about Heroin addiction as a "disease" well so is small pox, once upon a time in Serbia (1972) there was a small pox outbreak and Josip Tito had armed soldiers roaming the streets forcibly quarantining everyone and making the entire population get re-vaccinated, the WHO considers this the premeir public health success of the 20th century, following the disease logic using a heavy hand of the military to forcibly treat people is every bit as legitimate a strategy as simply enabling heroin users to keep using.

Calling druggies diseased is just the bleeding heart's way of wasting tax dollars on them. I seriously doubt any one of these folks had a gun held to their head the first time they took a drug. Today in Vancouver especially those on the streets know fentanyl is in all the drugs they get and they still take them. Recent studies debunk the idea drug abuse is anything but voluntary; Addiction is NOT a Brain Disease, It is a Choice - The Clean Slate Addiction Site.
 
Well, the loss of those gains would seem to support my theory. I don't agree Green advances are legit rather than vengeful and Weaver, a pompous ass, clearly has political ambitions contrary to his claims. Horgan's days are numbered. He had to be dragooned into the post of leader in the first place, when no-one else would take the job, and his heart has never been in it. The NDP knives are always sharp and close at hand. If the recount and absentee votes give the Libs the win and simple majority, he'll be taking the short walk with the long fall at the end. The NDP are at best moribund both provincially and federally and with luck will soon fold their tattered tents and slink off into the untrammeled wilderness where they belong, never again to be heard from.

The Courtenay Comox seat is very interesting. The Lib candidate is a former base commander at CFB Comox and many of the absentee votes will be from military folks away for one reason or another. Much is being made of this, but the proof of that pudding will be seen on or about the 22nd of the month. Many political nails will be bitten to the quick by that time. However, absentee and recounts could change several other outcomes as well so...

my understanding is that if absentees flip that seat then Clark has the majority correct?
 
my understanding is that if absentees flip that seat then Clark has the majority correct?

Correct. However, there is a big "BUT". The same absentee votes could cause a change in several other seats so nothing is concrete yet. The NDP have also filed for judicial recounts in 3 or 4 other contests. So we wait until the 22-24th.
 
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Elections BC says the three recount requests by the BC NDP yesterday for the ridings of Coquitlam - Burke Mountain, Richmond - Queensborough, and Vancouver - False Creek were not accepted, as was the BC Liberals' request for Maple Ridge - Mission, due to not meeting requirements of the Election Act. However, BC Citizens First candidate Phillip James Ryan's request for a recount in Vancouver - False Creek was accepted.
 
Well, we are screwed. The N Damnable P won Comox/Courtenay and now those flakes the Greens are the king-makers. If they suck up to the flakey NDP, we'll have to buy Resdan by the truckload.

If he sucks up to the Libs, he loses his base support. If he supports the NDP he runs the risk of having the party assimilated. Since most of their support is from protest votes, there is little likelihood they will keep the two seats they won.

Weaver has given the lie to his claim he has no political, only social goals, by hiring the most cynical political manipulator in Canadian history, Norman Spector as an advisor. He has also said he wants to make a decision by Wednesday next on with whom to form an "accord". Such haste for power.

Fortunately Christy's days are numbered, though so far there seem to be no knives in her back, one can hear the points and edges being honed.

Horgan is pretty much a total zero with so little going for him that his best campaigner was Christy.

Should the NDP and the Greens form government, I predict business, jobs and tax base will begin to flee the province again. But where will they go? Alberta is currently being devastated by another NDP disaster. Going south seems the only alternative, but Seattle is also in the death throes caused by socialist policies there.
 
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