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Supreme Court to hear 'polarizing' border-beer case

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Supreme Court to hear 'polarizing' border-beer case - The Globe and Mail

The Supreme Court of Canada has agreed to hear a Crown appeal of a New Brunswick ruling overturning a ban on bringing alcohol across provincial boundaries, in a case that could change the nature of Canadian federalism.

A provincial court judge last year threw out all charges against a man who was ticketed for importing 14 cases of beer and three bottles of liquor from a Quebec border town.

Comeau’s Ontario lawyer, Arnold Schwisberg, said the ruling could have the power to shift a host of laws across the country governing everything from selling chickens to how engineers and other professionals work across provincial lines.

Howard Anglin, the constitution foundation’s executive director, said in a statement that real free trade among provinces would be a massive economic boon to the country. At the very least, the foundation says, a favourable ruling would throw open Canada’s closed provincial alcohol monopolies and could spell the end of provincial agricultural cartels.
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Hopeful the Supreme Court will rule in his favor. It is easier to export products out of the country than sell in another Prov. If they rule in favor, they will do what the Feds and Provinces have failed to do.
 
I had no idea there was no free trade between the provinces. I'm not Canadian so I am in no position to say if that is good or bad, but it is interesting.
 
WCH said:
If it was Molson or Labatt, he should be hung from the neck until dead. 8)
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Some call that beer, not me, I prefer Euro or craft beers.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I had no idea there was no free trade between the provinces. I'm not Canadian so I am in no position to say if that is good or bad, but it is interesting.
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It is a hodge podge of rules and regulations. Hinders efficiencies. At 1 time, an example was beer brewers. They had to make beer in the Province in order to sell it. Not sure if PEI/NFLD & Labrador had their own breweries due to size of populations.
 
JANFU said:
Some call that beer, not me, I prefer Euro or craft beers.
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I'm sure Canada has some wonderful beer and ale but, those are horrible examples. We use to call them "moose piss" in college.
 
WCH said:
If it was Molson or Labatt, he should be hung from the neck until dead. 8)
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Agreed about Labatt's, but Molson's made some fine brew. Molson's Canadian i actually brewed for the American market. Meanwhile Molson's Golden is actually Golden and Brador is not a brew for those favor a light pale lager.

The Canadian beer industry has changed dramatically in the last 20 years, there are now over 1,200 craft beer breweries in BC alone. However while some of it may be exported to the US, this county's provincial trade laws were written before Canada was a country and booze and cigarettes have always been a huge issue. It's the cottage breweries that at struggling to get market, while the national breweries, Molson, Labatt etc., have plants in every province.
Recent rulings by SCOC suggest the provincial barriers are doomed.

But, ahead, we are now looking at a nightmare of regulations are cannabis becomes legal, each province will want it' own industry to tax and regulate.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I had no idea there was no free trade between the provinces. I'm not Canadian so I am in no position to say if that is good or bad, but it is interesting.
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It is weird patchwork of laws and how they interact with past regulations, provincial and federal law, and professional organizations. For example CPA Ontario has a vested financial interest in forcing CPAs from other provinces to take their exams if they want to work in Ontario. And another fun confusing fact is that Bermuda, the British territory in the middle of the Atlantic, uses our accreditation system for accountants, just to make everything more confusing for example.
 
JANFU said:
It is a hodge podge of rules and regulations. Hinders efficiencies. At 1 time, an example was beer brewers. They had to make beer in the Province in order to sell it. Not sure if PEI/NFLD & Labrador had their own breweries due to size of populations.
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I have done some probing on this and it makes sense 150 years ago when each province was its own little financial arena. In that time, small provinces like Nova Scotia, and sparsely populated like Manitoba could not hope to compete against a single giant brewer [being Canada I am sure some one wanted to nationalize it] and so barriers were put up. With small, cottage breweries now producing 35% of the market the walls will have to come down. Then maybe we can deal with restrictions on wine, BC cannot sell it's wine in Ontario but can export it to the US
 
WCH said:
I'm sure Canada has some wonderful beer and ale but, those are horrible examples. We use to call them "moose piss" in college.
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See we have something in common, I call it the same thing.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have done some probing on this and it makes sense 150 years ago when each province was its own little financial arena. In that time, small provinces like Nova Scotia, and sparsely populated like Manitoba could not hope to compete against a single giant brewer [being Canada I am sure some one wanted to nationalize it] and so barriers were put up. With small, cottage breweries now producing 35% of the market the walls will have to come down. Then maybe we can deal with restrictions on wine, BC cannot sell it's wine in Ontario but can export it to the US
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IIRC back then NS was one of the richest provinces.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I had no idea there was no free trade between the provinces. I'm not Canadian so I am in no position to say if that is good or bad, but it is interesting.
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Same. That seems very outdated.
 
Fearandloathing said:
And they are resented the others. Our founders' job was to prevent 11 different countries
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I certainly hope the SC rules in favor and writes a wide ranging decision.
 
JANFU said:
I certainly hope the SC rules in favor and writes a wide ranging decision.
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Just watch.

Am listening to an in depth item on CBC 2, exploring all the bull**** between provinces. Did you know that BC and Alberta are the only provinces where you can LEGALLY bring batteries into the other province. It is banned and or taxable (but hasn't been enforced since the 60"s)

It's a complete ****ing nightmare.

With recent rulings, and based on the history of the court, the majority disfavor clumsy, invasive law. Observers, me and Cristy Clark's people believe the ruling will come quickly and will have an impact of wine, produce etc.

Why there has not been a move to this before has always puzzled me. It was one of five priority topics during the Fist Ministers conferences in the 70's and 80's. We got a constitrution by inter-provincial trade was ignored
 
Fearandloathing said:
Just watch.

Am listening to an in depth item on CBC 2, exploring all the bull**** between provinces. Did you know that BC and Alberta are the only provinces where you can LEGALLY bring batteries into the other province. It is banned and or taxable (but hasn't been enforced since the 60"s)

It's a complete ****ing nightmare.

With recent rulings, and based on the history of the court, the majority disfavor clumsy, invasive law. Observers, me and Cristy Clark's people believe the ruling will come quickly and will have an impact of wine, produce etc.

Why there has not been a move to this before has always puzzled me. It was one of five priority topics during the Fist Ministers conferences in the 70's and 80's. We got a constitrution by inter-provincial trade was ignored
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Every Prov is guilty of protecting their own industries.
SC ruling in favor and writing a wide ranging decision will cause a significant and positive impact on GDP in the country. Just check out how Ont-Que have an agreement on limiting construction workers/companies from each Prov competing in the other prov. Costs to the consumer & in particular taxpayers is billions added to end product costs. Quebec averages IIRC 30% plus on construction costs compared to Ontario. And yes the industry in Quebec is rife with corruption
 
Fearandloathing said:
Agreed about Labatt's, but Molson's made some fine brew. Molson's Canadian i actually brewed for the American market. Meanwhile Molson's Golden is actually Golden and Brador is not a brew for those favor a light pale lager.

The Canadian beer industry has changed dramatically in the last 20 years, there are now over 1,200 craft beer breweries in BC alone. However while some of it may be exported to the US, this county's provincial trade laws were written before Canada was a country and booze and cigarettes have always been a huge issue. It's the cottage breweries that at struggling to get market, while the national breweries, Molson, Labatt etc., have plants in every province.
Recent rulings by SCOC suggest the provincial barriers are doomed.

But, ahead, we are now looking at a nightmare of regulations are cannabis becomes legal, each province will want it' own industry to tax and regulate.
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That what one gets with big government. [in this case several]

We need to get our passports so we can visit your country.
 
WCH said:
If it was Molson or Labatt, he should be hung from the neck until dead. 8)
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JANFU said:
Some call that beer, not me, I prefer Euro or craft beers.
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Damn traitors, the both of you. :p haha There is nothing more patriotic than a ice cold bottle of Labatt 50 on a Canada Day weekend. If you hate our country so much, you should just leave. :p haha (Joking aside, while I love my microbrews and European beers, especially Belgian Whites, 50 is always my go to...and I'm under 40...go figure...haha - I did work for Labatt for 7 years, so might be slightly biased).
 
OlNate said:
Damn traitors, the both of you. :p haha There is nothing more patriotic than a ice cold bottle of Labatt 50 on a Canada Day weekend. If you hate our country so much, you should just leave. :p haha (Joking aside, while I love my microbrews and European beers, especially Belgian Whites, 50 is always my go to...and I'm under 40...go figure...haha - I did work for Labatt for 7 years, so might be slightly biased).
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I haven't had a Labatt or Molson in decades. Leave a crappy taste in my mouth once and that's it. ;)

Never been to Canada but, would like to someday.
 
WCH said:
If it was Molson or Labatt, he should be hung from the neck until dead. 8)
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WCH said:
I haven't had a Labatt or Molson in decades. Leave a crappy taste in my mouth once and that's it. ;)

Never been to Canada but, would like to someday.
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Sorry, we can't be friends... :p lol....
 
Stopped drinking that chemical **** Molsens and Labatts claimed was beer decades ago. Now live in a quiet valley in BC where we have two very good local breweries run by modern-day hippies. Also two distilleries which make excellent products.
 
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