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Dear Conservative Party of Canada

Although our healthcare system is a good thing for those who don't have insurance, and can't afford healthcare.....our waiting lines are so long. There's a lot of bureaucracy. Doing redundant things that it makes you wonder if all involved with patients care are disconnected.

My husband had a marble-sized growth on his neck (which turned out to be cancer).......by the time he had his surgery, it was a huge mass.
 
SDET said:
I really like the food options as a tourist in Canada. What I'm talking about is your earning power in Information Technology or Data Science. Nursing pay in Canada is also crap compared to the USA.
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Nurses in Alberta, about 7 years ago as an RN working in a hospital on a 0.8 (meaning 32 hours a week) could easily earn over $80 000, especially with the shift premiums and coming in for sick calls during X days. That was for someone with only 3 years experience
 
tosca1 said:
Although our healthcare system is a good thing for those who don't have insurance, and can't afford healthcare.....our waiting lines are so long. There's a lot of bureaucracy. Doing redundant things that it makes you wonder if all involved with patients care are disconnected.

My husband had a marble-sized growth on his neck (which turned out to be cancer).......by the time he had his surgery, it was a huge mass.
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There is less bureaucracy in the Canadian system as the required admin to figure out who to bill and how much does not really exist on anywhere the level it does in the US
 
tosca1 said:
Like as if you don't see those same-size people in our WalMart. We can blame Tim Horton for that! :lol:
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Double double is not nearly as bad as a 3/4 lb burger hence our Walmarts are populated by a XXLs instead of XXXLs ;)
 
tosca1 said:
Although our healthcare system is a good thing for those who don't have insurance, and can't afford healthcare.....our waiting lines are so long. There's a lot of bureaucracy. Doing redundant things that it makes you wonder if all involved with patients care are disconnected.

My husband had a marble-sized growth on his neck (which turned out to be cancer).......by the time he had his surgery, it was a huge mass.
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I went to my family doc for what I thought was a minor problem, 3 doctors later and 2 different tests (sonogram and CTscan) at the hospital I was told it was cancer and they were operating the next day. Whole thing took 3 hours. I know that's kinda abnormal, but I doubt the president of the USA could have been diagnosed/treated faster.
 
radioman said:
You actually feel that the Canadian healthcare system is a good example for everyone else?
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I didn't until we got Obamacare and now I don't know. Until then, my Canadian friends were mostly trying to get to the USA for procedures more complicated than ordinary tests and doctor's visits.

But I wasn't thinking of healthcare necessarily with that post. I have always considered the average Canadians--except for the numbnuts that pretty much every country has--to be more rational and objective than the average American. It was sort of reassuring. Think Canada John for instance.

I just didn't want them to get as screwed up as we have been.
 
Quag said:
I went to my family doc for what I thought was a minor problem, 3 doctors later and 2 different tests (sonogram and CTscan) at the hospital I was told it was cancer and they were operating the next day. Whole thing took 3 hours. I know that's kinda abnormal, but I doubt the president of the USA could have been diagnosed/treated faster.
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You were lucky.

The surgeon who did his surgery - great guy - ended up going to the USA. Another doctor did his follow-up.


I'm still glad that we have our healthcare system. It sure lessens so much worries, especially for folks who can't afford to have insurance.
 
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tosca1 said:
You were lucky.

The surgeon who did his surgery - great guy - ended up going to the USA. Another doctor did his follow-up.


I'm still glad that we have our healthcare system. It sure lessens so much worries, especially for folks who can't afford to have insurance.
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Well I was lucky to be diagnosed/treated so quickly, unlucky to have gotten cancer and needed surgery/chemo (chemo sucks more than anyone who hasn't gone through it can imagine!). But most importantly I am cancer free now!
Even with some of the bad stories (you get them everywhere in every system despite what some people like to claim) I would not trade the Canadian system for the American. Doesn't mean it cannot be improved a lot but I just cant help but think the Americans looked at what the other developed countries were doing and said how can we do something worse then everyone else?
 
tosca1 said:
You were lucky.

The surgeon who did his surgery - great guy - ended up going to the USA. Another doctor did his follow-up.


I'm still glad that we have our healthcare system. It sure lessens so much worries, especially for folks who can't afford to have insurance.
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I had a similar experience for a much less severe issue, after an original 11 hours in the emergency room having tests, x-rays, and scans done and seeing a doctor for all of 10 minutes, I was in surgery within a few days for a shattered elbow. Can't really tell you about that day because all I remember is feeling really high and passing out. I also got to see the invoice they sent to Ontario, so I got to see the cost breakdown. Surgery cost $600.
 
tosca1 said:
That's why the Liberals want to pack em in!
It's all about their votes, which no doubt mostly will go to the Liberals!

It's never about what's best for our country.
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Gawd. Why would immigrants mostly be Liberal voters? Sounds like you're channeling Republicans. Immigrants are just as likely to be conservative as liberal. If they're Muslims they're probably conservative, Don't bring that partisan crap north of the border.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I didn't until we got Obamacare and now I don't know. Until then, my Canadian friends were mostly trying to get to the USA for procedures more complicated than ordinary tests and doctor's visits.

But I wasn't thinking of healthcare necessarily with that post. I have always considered the average Canadians--except for the numbnuts that pretty much every country has--to be more rational and objective than the average American. It was sort of reassuring. Think Canada John for instance.

I just didn't want them to get as screwed up as we have been.
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Your Canadian friends were mostly trying to get to the US for treatment?
I call bullsh*t.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Call it for whatever floats your boat. But when they could be scheduled for an operation or whatever here far more quickly than they could be scheduled in Canada, they came here.

In fact I just looked it up out of curiosity, and I guess they still do:
“42,000 Canadians come to the United States for care” – Really? - PNHP's Official Blog
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I heard long-time wait experiences from others.


Surgery wait times longest in 18 years

The median wait time is 19 weeks between the referral from a general practitioner and the start of elective treatment, finds the report, released by the Fraser Institute Monday.
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Surgery wait times longest in 18 years - Health - CBC News


If you've got cancer - 19 weeks can be deadly (especially if the cancer turns out to be aggressive).
 
Quag said:
Well I was lucky to be diagnosed/treated so quickly, unlucky to have gotten cancer and needed surgery/chemo (chemo sucks more than anyone who hasn't gone through it can imagine!). But most importantly I am cancer free now!
Even with some of the bad stories (you get them everywhere in every system despite what some people like to claim) I would not trade the Canadian system for the American. Doesn't mean it cannot be improved a lot but I just cant help but think the Americans looked at what the other developed countries were doing and said how can we do something worse then everyone else?
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He had an aggressive cancer.

My hubby is cancer-free now, and he didn't have chemo. He had radiation.
 
Grand Mal said:
Gawd. Why would immigrants mostly be Liberal voters? Sounds like you're channeling Republicans. Immigrants are just as likely to be conservative as liberal. If they're Muslims they're probably conservative, Don't bring that partisan crap north of the border.
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When the PM, seen as very friendly, bends backwards accommodating their cultural/religious beliefs - they would be Liberal supporters. The latest would be the Islamophobia motion.
 
tosca1 said:
He had an aggressive cancer.

My hubby is cancer-free now, and he didn't have chemo. He had radiation.
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Glad hes cancer free as well.
Cancer sucks!
 
Quag said:
Glad hes cancer free as well.
Cancer sucks!
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Believe it or not, I knew he's going to be fine. I told him a few weeks before surgery as we were driving.....that I had that calm, "reassured" feeling.
 
tosca1 said:
Believe it or not, I knew he's going to be fine. I told him a few weeks before surgery as we were driving.....that I had that calm, "reassured" feeling.
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I was freaked out at first but reassured by the docs and was under the impression the chemo was only precautionary after the surgery.
Turns out I was still in a state of shock and misunderstood everything, the cancer had spread and chemo was most definetly not precautionary. Towards the end I kinda figured I had misunderstood as I was getting chemo all day long mon-friday with 2 weeks between rounds and most of the other patients were there only for a few hours 1X a week. Wife told me to ask when I mentioned my concerns to her, thats when I found out what was going on. Of course this was only after my lest round of Chemo.

The miscommunication was definetly part of my spirits being kept up. If I had understood what was going on I am sure i would have been even more freaked out.
 
Quag said:
I was freaked out at first but reassured by the docs and was under the impression the chemo was only precautionary after the surgery.
Turns out I was still in a state of shock and misunderstood everything, the cancer had spread and chemo was most definetly not precautionary. Towards the end I kinda figured I had misunderstood as I was getting chemo all day long mon-friday with 2 weeks between rounds and most of the other patients were there only for a few hours 1X a week. Wife told me to ask when I mentioned my concerns to her, thats when I found out what was going on. Of course this was only after my lest round of Chemo.

The miscommunication was definetly part of my spirits being kept up. If I had understood what was going on I am sure i would have been even more freaked out.
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It's good it turned out well, Quag. From what I hear, chemo is really brutal to the body.
 
tosca1 said:
It's good it turned out well, Quag. From what I hear, chemo is really brutal to the body.
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Yeah I had pills to deal with the side effects of the chemo and pills to deal with the side offects of the pills that dealt with the side effects of the chemo and pills to deal with the side effects of the pills to deal with the side effects of the pills that dealt with the side effects of the chemo. Took more than a year after the chemo to recover to near normal and my left foot is still asleep, dont think its ever going to wake up.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Call it for whatever floats your boat. But when they could be scheduled for an operation or whatever here far more quickly than they could be scheduled in Canada, they came here.

In fact I just looked it up out of curiosity, and I guess they still do:
“42,000 Canadians come to the United States for care” – Really? - PNHP's Official Blog
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Myths about Canada, U.S. health care debunked - MarketWatch
Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign | The Huffington Post
Americans Filching Free Health Care in Canada - NYTimes.com
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...-swarming-the-border-to-get-better-healthcare
"Meanwhile, the Centers for Disease Control estimates 750,000 Americans travel outside the country for medical treatments each year."
 
tosca1 said:
When the PM, seen as very friendly, bends backwards accommodating their cultural/religious beliefs - they would be Liberal supporters. The latest would be the Islamophobia motion.
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I've known a couple Muslims- rented from a family when my first marriage fell apart- and many Sikhs and they've all been conservative. There's quite a few Sikhs in the Liberal Party but I'm talking about ordinary, working- and business-class people.
That crapola Republican meme, that Liberals heap free benefits on immigrants to recruit voters, that bull doesn't fly in the US and sure as hell doesn't in Canada. The Conservative Party was very immigrant-friendly when they were in power, for one thing.
Muslims especially are more likely to be conservative.
 
Grand Mal said:
I've known a couple Muslims- rented from a family when my first marriage fell apart- and many Sikhs and they've all been conservative. There's quite a few Sikhs in the Liberal Party but I'm talking about ordinary, working- and business-class people.
That crapola Republican meme, that Liberals heap free benefits on immigrants to recruit voters, that bull doesn't fly in the US and sure as hell doesn't in Canada. The Conservative Party was very immigrant-friendly when they were in power, for one thing.
Muslims especially are more likely to be conservative.
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Most immigrants to Canada are socially conservative. That does not mean they tend to vote Conservative, the so called 401 voting area which is heavily populated with immigrants has tended to vote Liberal, but the previous elections (when Harper was winning) they voted Conservative. The Jason Kenny's of the conservative party I expect drove them back to the liberal party. As many Indian's, Pakistani's and Chinese, have other family members they would like to see brought into Canada the xenophobic tone the Conservative had in the last election drove what could have been a long term voting block away.

Kellie Leitch with the "Canadian Values" is likely to do the same. Unless she changes the term to something that has the tone of respecting the Charter of Rights, I expect many will see Canadian values as meaning white christian Canadian values. A throwback to what Canada was doing to minorities before the 70's (including native Canadians). When I hear the term Canadian Values from Kellie Leitch it is what comes to my mind
 
Grand Mal said:
I've known a couple Muslims- rented from a family when my first marriage fell apart- and many Sikhs and they've all been conservative. There's quite a few Sikhs in the Liberal Party but I'm talking about ordinary, working- and business-class people.
That crapola Republican meme, that Liberals heap free benefits on immigrants to recruit voters, that bull doesn't fly in the US and sure as hell doesn't in Canada. The Conservative Party was very immigrant-friendly when they were in power, for one thing.
Muslims especially are more likely to be conservative.
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Of course, like most Christians, - they are conservative in their views.

But let's face it. If they're being courted, and pandered to by Liberals, why wouldn't they vote for Liberals? If Liberals are Muslim-friendly, and would let in thousands of them a year....hey, what ethnicity wouldn't vote for Liberals if they're shown that kind of pandering to?

When Muslims become a force to be reckoned with, politically-wise, let's see if Liberals don't start curving their liberalism when it comes to social values.
 
tosca1 said:
Can our candidates running for leadership please stop sounding like liberals?

Really.....I think most of you are liberals in conservative clothings - or you're now confused about your own stripes. When I listen to you talk, all I have to do is close my eyes, and I feel like attending a blasted liberal

I know, if you want to have the chance of getting elected in this land, you've got to talk the talk - you've got to sound liberal. However, how can we ever change things around here if nobody will muster up the courage to say things that only makes sense?

Win or lose, you have to stand up and be conservatives in your visions!



There is a major shifting happening next door, and I don't think I'm imagining things when I say that it's catching on. You've got to know when to seize the moment. That's part of being a great leader.


It makes me question the thinking process of CP candidates who dare criticize Kellie Leitch for promoting screening and vetting of would-be applicants that they be compatible with our Canadian values.



Some moron stupidly asked, What is Canadian values? DOH? Need you ask?

Would you consider calling for jihad on gays, promiscious and "slutty" women, Canadian values? Do you consider genital mutilation of women, arranged marriages, honor killings, Canadian values?

Is forced submission of women, inequality, a Canadian value?



Any CP candidate who find anything wrong with what Kellie Leitch had proposed regarding screening for shared values, is not a conservative. She/He has the same dysfunctional liberal mind!



The new leader of CPC must put Canada and its citizen's interest first, and foremost!


What citizen doesn't glow hearing that he comes first? That the best interest of his country comes first?



You bet, a lot of everday folks - folks who have no secret agenda - are secretly wishing our politicians are like Trump.

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It might help if you knew the def of liberal. Take Latin in college? Liber = free. For the individual and small gov. Thought you would be one. Don't see many Canadians flocking here to the land of the uneducated white rube. 95 % love their country, health care. And here?? A violent country founded by religious nuts and convicts. A constitution written by slave owners and rapists. Maybe they don't like our 20000 murders and 100000 rapes per year. Still our VA SS Medicare socialist benefits are good
 
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