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Canadian Teen who Wanted to join Islamic State Sentenced to House arrest

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A Canadian teenager who wanted to join the Islamic State group and reportedly promoted attacking government buildings was sentenced to six months of house arrest and two years' probation, prosecutors said.

The adolescent, who converted to Islam, told investigators he would attack targets in Canada if he could not join IS group fighters abroad, the public broadcaster CBC reported.
http://www.firstpost.com/world/cana...-state-sentenced-to-house-arrest-3196270.html
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All right buster. You've been very bad there, trying to blow up Canada and such. You're grounded! No going to mosque, playing with your bomb making toys, or death chants to Canada for six months!

The 17 kid says he's sorry, and proooomised not to blow up Canadians. Good enough.

Thoughts?
 
truthatallcost said:
All right buster. You've been very bad there, trying to blow up Canada and such. You're grounded! No going to mosque, playing with your bomb making toys, or death chants to Canada for six months!

The 17 kid says he's sorry, and proooomised not to blow up Canadians. Good enough.

Thoughts?
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Since I'm not a Canuck I couldn't care less.

The USA should take care of its own problems before it starts worrying about other nation's problems.
 
shrubnose said:
Since I'm not a Canuck I couldn't care less.

The USA should take care of its own problems before it starts worrying about other nation's problems.
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A guy who's location is listed as 'Europe' wrote this? Neither Canada or the US are in Europe shrub.
 
truthatallcost said:
All right buster. You've been very bad there, trying to blow up Canada and such. You're grounded! No going to mosque, playing with your bomb making toys, or death chants to Canada for six months!

The 17 kid says he's sorry, and proooomised not to blow up Canadians. Good enough.

Thoughts?
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"Encouraging" people to use violence to achieve, what the individual holds to be overriding political or civil rights issues is in fact only an expression of political opinion. After all, we almost all think that violence is justified in some situations that we (and our friends) consider existential. We demand and practice things that are considered murder by other cultures as different as the Eu and Iran.
I am not sure that encouragement should be punishable at all.
 
shrubnose said:
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Fill us in.
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Well you see Canadians being basically the children of Britain like their tea a lot. The traditional route for tea was through the middle east, so when a guy in canada wants to go to the middle east and blow things up it can disturb the traditional trade routes. This can result in a surplus of tea in China as they are no longer able to export it. An increse in supply without a corresponding increase in demand will naturally result in downward pressure on the price.
So to sum up this kid will make tea cheaper in China.
 
For someone trying to be a terrorist making threats 6 months of house arrest is hardly reasonable of a sentence... That's just my opinion.
 
joG said:
"Encouraging" people to use violence to achieve, what the individual holds to be overriding political or civil rights issues is in fact only an expression of political opinion. After all, we almost all think that violence is justified in some situations that we (and our friends) consider existential. We demand and practice things that are considered murder by other cultures as different as the Eu and Iran.
I am not sure that encouragement should be punishable at all.
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You lost me joG.
 
digsbe said:
For someone trying to be a terrorist making threats 6 months of house arrest is hardly reasonable of a sentence... That's just my opinion.
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From the actual article. He also served 14 months of pre-trial custody which was taken into account when sentencing.

A juvenile court took into account the 14 months of pre-trial custody he had already served following his arrest in November 2015, the Public Prosecution Service of Canada said.
The 17-year-old male will live with his grandparents, wear an electronic bracelet and be subjected to a curfew.
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truthatallcost said:
All right buster. You've been very bad there, trying to blow up Canada and such. You're grounded! No going to mosque, playing with your bomb making toys, or death chants to Canada for six months!

The 17 kid says he's sorry, and proooomised not to blow up Canadians. Good enough.

Thoughts?
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Ummm. Won't he be living in the same house that allowed him to get radicalized in the first place? I would assume that in 6 months he will be that much closer to 18, which could make it much easier for him to get back to the program.

I really don't know anything about this kid, so perhaps there are some issues I'm not familiar with. But outside of what I read about the absence of life among these pre-historic terrorists in the ME, I'm not aware of many well adjusted 17 years olds going through growing pains who plan to maim and murder innocent people, so this kid has some serious problems that 6 months at home are not likely to address.
 
Serenity said:
From the actual article. He also served 14 months of pre-trial custody which was taken into account when sentencing.
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I still think even that is to lenient. Plotting treason (attempting to join ISIS) and working to aid in planning a terror attack deserves much much more in my opinion.
 
digsbe said:
I still think even that is to lenient. Plotting treason (attempting to join ISIS) and working to aid in planning a terror attack deserves much much more in my opinion.
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How much more would be enough in your opinion? One can only hope that he has received help/counselling in that time.
 
Serenity said:
How much more would be enough in your opinion? One can only hope that he has received help/counselling in that time.
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At least a decade in prison, I think things like this should be treated very harshly with a 20 year long probation afterward to help ensure he isn't trying to re-connect with terror ties.
 
truthatallcost said:
All right buster. You've been very bad there, trying to blow up Canada and such. You're grounded! No going to mosque, playing with your bomb making toys, or death chants to Canada for six months!

The 17 kid says he's sorry, and proooomised not to blow up Canadians. Good enough.

Thoughts?
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No sense destroying the lad for his first offense. He didn't leave the country, didn't have weapons, and was probably just trying to get in some babe's burka!
 
Serenity said:
From the actual article. He also served 14 months of pre-trial custody which was taken into account when sentencing.
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And probably was radicalized again and again. Prisons do that stuff.
 
Serenity said:
From the actual article. He also served 14 months of pre-trial custody which was taken into account when sentencing.
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What happens if he decides to attack people in Canada after his 6 month house arrest is over?
 
chuckiechan said:
No sense destroying the lad for his first offense. He didn't leave the country, didn't have weapons, and was probably just trying to get in some babe's burka!
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Well, you know, kids blow up so fast these days.
 
truthatallcost said:
What happens if he decides to attack people in Canada after his 6 month house arrest is over?
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What happens if he decides to attack people in Canada after his ten year incarceration was served (Digsbes suggestion.)

What's your suggestion? Lock him up and throw away the key forever?
 
Serenity said:
What happens if he decides to attack people in Canada after his ten year incarceration was served (Digsbes suggestion.)

What's your suggestion? Lock him up and throw away the key forever?
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We've seen some spectacularly gruesome examples of Canada's criminal leniency gone wrong in the past several years. I'm not certain that a year in juvenile custody, and 6 months house arrest is sufficient. In fact I'd suspect he has a high chance of falling back into his old habits once the supervision is removed.

Unfortunately, not every one is fit to live in society, and subtracting one person to ensure the safety of thousands is better than seeing more dead bodies in the street because the government just didn't have the heart to do something.

Berlin 19 December 2016 is the perfect example.
 
truthatallcost said:
We've seen some spectacularly gruesome examples of Canada's criminal leniency gone wrong in the past several years. I'm not certain that a year in juvenile custody, and 6 months house arrest is sufficient. In fact I'd suspect he has a high chance of falling back into his old habits once the supervision is removed.

Unfortunately, not every one is fit to live in society, and subtracting one person to ensure the safety of thousands is better than seeing more dead bodies in the street because the government just didn't have the heart to do something.

Berlin 19 December 2016 is the perfect example.
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Regarding the underlined, are you advocating incarceration for life here?
 
Serenity said:
Regarding the underlined, are you advocating incarceration for life here?
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No, but keeping him away from normal people for a while would be a good idea. My own preference would be a 2 year work program where he's required to learn a trade or vocation skill, while living partly under house arrest, with counseling and monitoring.
 
shrubnose said:
The USA should take care of its own problems before it starts worrying about other nation's problems.
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Sure. It's not like Jihadi Jr. there could just cross our border and potentially cause problems here, right?
 
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