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The Insane Situation with Marijuana Legalization

Jetboogieman

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Yah know, I really hope Trudeau doesn't completely **** up legalization like he did with Electoral Reform which is now smouldering in ruins due to the incompetency of Maryam Monsef and ultimately Trudeaus standoffish approach to the subject.

Now we're in a situation where it's alleged anyway, that the government will legalize Marijuana and people are being locked up today, for what could be legal this year.

Dispensaries are opening in anticipation of legalization but are still being raided by the police.

The dispensaries plan to continue selling marijuana and police plan to continue raiding them.

Now the Health Minister is quoted as saying:

She was asked if pot would be fully legal and available in Canada before you head to the polls in 2019. “At this point, I can’t give you a specific timeline.”
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So the question becomes, is this yet another campaign promise, the second biggest one really besides electoral reform because of its fundamental departure from decades of policy, also going to be a smouldering disaster?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Yah know, I really hope Trudeau doesn't completely **** up legalization like he did with Electoral Reform which is now smouldering in ruins due to the incompetency of Maryam Monsef and ultimately Trudeaus standoffish approach to the subject.

Now we're in a situation where it's alleged anyway, that the government will legalize Marijuana and people are being locked up today, for what could be legal this year.

Dispensaries are opening in anticipation of legalization but are still being raided by the police.

The dispensaries plan to continue selling marijuana and police plan to continue raiding them.

Now the Health Minister is quoted as saying:



So the question becomes, is this yet another campaign promise, the second biggest one really besides electoral reform because of its fundamental departure from decades of policy, also going to be a smouldering disaster?
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This level of dishonesty, at this level of society, is the real criminal act.
 
I just want to be issued a license so I can use all this land I'm sitting on to start a different kind of "weed" farm than the one I currently have going.
 
I have a feeling J. Castro is using legalization as a carrot, dangling in front of his mule (the populace). If he legalized it too soon, he'd risk losing any relevance he's hanging on to.

Leitch is against it anyways. I anticipate a silent majority forming for Trump-like rulership in Canada, so her chances are looking good. We do love to imitate them.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Yah know, I really hope Trudeau doesn't completely **** up legalization like he did with Electoral Reform which is now smouldering in ruins due to the incompetency of Maryam Monsef and ultimately Trudeaus standoffish approach to the subject.

Now we're in a situation where it's alleged anyway, that the government will legalize Marijuana and people are being locked up today, for what could be legal this year.

Dispensaries are opening in anticipation of legalization but are still being raided by the police.

The dispensaries plan to continue selling marijuana and police plan to continue raiding them.

Now the Health Minister is quoted as saying:



So the question becomes, is this yet another campaign promise, the second biggest one really besides electoral reform because of its fundamental departure from decades of policy, also going to be a smouldering disaster?
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As someone with an insider perspective relative to Canadian pharma (exposure to commercial real estate, predominantly medical buildings and pharmacies), my money is on the eventual passing of recreational marijuana legalization; there is too much money on the line, too many vested interests and donors to pull a 180 as they did with electoral reform; an act that Trudeau is now catching hell for, and probably also did on behalf of said donors, as well as a cynical (and almost surely misplaced) sense that the antiquated, undemocratic FPTP would be of greatest benefit to Liberal political fortunes.

Furthermore, I don't think he can renounce rec legalization and survive politically; it would drive the left and libertarians irrevocably and terminally to the NDP/Green as his abandonment of Electoral Reform is already threatening to do, besides aggravating rich and powerful donors positioning to exploit the imminent recreational market.
 
Based on who he appointed to his marijuana review committee, I doubt we will get full on legalization... maybe decriminalization, with special licensing for certain dispensaries. They will find a way to limit it in order to not encroach on big pharma's profit margins. One of the local doctors here who signs people up for dispensary cards says that a lot of people are using cannabis to replace 4-5 different medications because they find it more effective. People are ditching their opiates for cannabis for pain control, along with their anti-depressants. They don't even want the synthetic cannabinoids like abalone or marinol because they are physically addictive, versus the real plant which isn't.

I guarantee you that big pharma is doing everything they can to influence a policy that maintains their supremacy. It's the real reason why pot was criminalized in the first place. The whole thing will be delayed indefinitely until they get their way. I just hope it doesn't screw over the dispensary system that's already in place like in Vancouver. They've got a good thing going that's helping a lot of people.
 
Northern Light said:
Based on who he appointed to his marijuana review committee, I doubt we will get full on legalization... maybe decriminalization, with special licensing for certain dispensaries. They will find a way to limit it in order to not encroach on big pharma's profit margins. One of the local doctors here who signs people up for dispensary cards says that a lot of people are using cannabis to replace 4-5 different medications because they find it more effective. People are ditching their opiates for cannabis for pain control, along with their anti-depressants. They don't even want the synthetic cannabinoids like abalone or marinol because they are physically addictive, versus the real plant which isn't.

I guarantee you that big pharma is doing everything they can to influence a policy that maintains their supremacy. It's the real reason why pot was criminalized in the first place. The whole thing will be delayed indefinitely until they get their way. I just hope it doesn't screw over the dispensary system that's already in place like in Vancouver. They've got a good thing going that's helping a lot of people.
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It's actually more of a tug of war in terms of the pharma lobby between advocates and would be financiers/investors/players of the emergent recreational industry, and establishment big pharmacy, and the latter isn't as powerfully entrenched here as it is in the States.

My money is definitely on the former as a pro-legalization decision in some form, as it, unlike the alternative, even with footdragging, wouldn't be suicidal to Trudeau's political fortunes when taken in conjunction with his ER abandonment.

Also the review committee is not nearly as influential as you might believe; just look at electoral reform. What truly informs the Liberal platform ultimately is thus: A: perceived impact on political funding/donors and B: perceived impact on odds of electoral success. Non-legalization is a toss up (at best) with respect to A, and a clear loser in regards to B.
 
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