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Democrat Wins Upstate New York Congressional Race

Kandahar said:
Here's Nate Silver's take on the special election. He does think that special elections have some predictive power on the subsequent general election, but that it's just one of many data points. An interesting article, from one of the better political minds out there.

Hopeful Signs for Democrats - NYTimes.com
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It's only true when Dems win a seat right?
 
American said:
It's only true when Dems win a seat right?
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Are you asking for my opinion, or for Nate Silver's opinion? :confused:
I already said that I wouldn't suggest reading very much into these special elections, and I just take them at face value. Nate Silver suggests that they do have some predictive power, albeit as one of many data points.
 
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TurtleDude said:
its easy to win elections when you tell people you will keep giving them all they want and they won't have to pay for it

ruining the country to keep the dem parasites in power has been your party's SOP since 1932
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that makes no sense at all.

Just quote from the campaign statements of the winner where they promised to give them all they want and show us this was the key to victory. The election is less than 12 hours old and that should be easy for you to find with all the publicity this garnered.
 
American said:
Which "Let Grandma die" law is that?
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Paul Ryan's Medicare privatization plan. With Medicare today seniors are guarenteed medical coverage, under Paul's plan to issue vouchers to buy private insurance is no guarentee at all. Who is going to sell a senior with cancer medical insurance?
 
haymarket said:
The shape of things to come.

As the great gabriel Heater used to say "there is good news tonight".
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ROTFLOL... yeah right... "The shape of things to come".

Will Americans commit mass political suicide in 2012. That's the basic choice... Entrenching the USSA or not. If it is so, our demise will accelerate in the hands of the Socialist wonder.

BUT...

2010 illustrated the general sentiment of the nation. But hey, perhaps we have become a nation of morons like the Europeans claim. Only time will tell.

My money is on Obama losing and America winning.

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pbrauer said:
Paul Ryan's Medicare privatization plan. With Medicare today seniors are guarenteed medical coverage, under Paul's plan to issue vouchers to buy private insurance is no guarentee at all. Who is going to sell a senior with cancer medical insurance?
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Thats not exactly right Pbrauer. Seniors realize there needs to be changes in Medicare, where Ryan went all wrong was first, he claimed in would not effect anyone 55 or older and was not true. The biggest error the Teaparty made is what is distasteful about their entire platform to alot of traditional republicans..WE WANT WHAT WE WANT AND WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE..most seniors I know response to that is Screw you. They wanted to grab as much of what they wanted into ryans bill and try to ram it through with fear tactics.
Paul Ryans biggest mistake and the one that will haunt his plan is that he screams and bellows how broke we are and how we cant afford ANYTHING for ANYONE...then his plan includes big tax breaks for the richest americans and corporations. Seniors see it for what it is..a change in the tax code that benefits ONLY THE RICHEST and gives them billions in tax cuts.
 
lpast said:
Thats not exactly right Pbrauer. Seniors realize there needs to be changes in Medicare, where Ryan went all wrong was first, he claimed in would not effect anyone 55 or older and was not true. The biggest error the Teaparty made is what is distasteful about their entire platform to alot of traditional republicans..WE WANT WHAT WE WANT AND WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE..most seniors I know response to that is Screw you. They wanted to grab as much of what they wanted into ryans bill and try to ram it through with fear tactics.
Paul Ryans biggest mistake and the one that will haunt his plan is that he screams and bellows how broke we are and how we cant afford ANYTHING for ANYONE...then his plan includes big tax breaks for the richest americans and corporations. Seniors see it for what it is..a change in the tax code that benefits ONLY THE RICHEST and gives them billions in tax cuts.
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Let's not forget it was the GOP's Medicare Part D law that prevents Medicare from negotiating drug discounts with Medicare, like the VA does. I remember Tom Delay keeping the vote open in the middle of the night for 3 hours twisting members of his own party to change their vote.
 
pbrauer said:
Let's not forget it was the GOP's Medicare Part D law that prevents Medicare from negotiating drug discounts with Medicare, like the VA does. I remember Tom Delay keeping the vote open in the middle of the night for 3 hours twisting members of his own party to change their vote.
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A version of 'The medicare prescription drug price negotiation act' to change this and allow the negotiations has been introduced in the House or Senate every year since 2007. It dies in committee each time... a bi-partisan committee.

Both sides need to fix it, and both sides share the blame for not fixing it.
 
Politically, the republican are making some bad decisions right now and they will pay for it in 2012.

Remember what they ran on in 2008. Jobs...Jobs....Jobs....

Every since they took the house back, they just spent time on cutting government programs and giving the rich tax cuts. Can anyone name one bill that they put up to put America back to work?
 
Chappy said:
The Paul Ryan budget plan claims its first victim.
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Analysts will have a field with this election. Is it indicative of the country as a whole. No, but it is incredible that a Dem won this district.
 
Whovian said:
A version of 'The medicare prescription drug price negotiation act' to change this and allow the negotiations has been introduced in the House or Senate every year since 2007. It dies in committee each time... a bi-partisan committee.

Both sides need to fix it, and both sides share the blame for not fixing it.
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Politico's are dependent upon contributions from industry, that's what needs to be changed.

The bill was written by a Democrat and all of it's sponsors (198) appear to be Democrats.
H.R. 4 [110th]: Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)
 
This wasn't a Democrat win, it was a Republican loss because they couldn't figure out how to neutralize Jack Davis.

The man has run multiple times, for both parties now, and for whatever reason someone in the Republican party hasn't gotten smart enough to buy him off.

Now they're paying for it.

That's why Corwin lost.

There is no other reason.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
This wasn't a Democrat win, it was a Republican loss because they couldn't figure out how to neutralize Jack Davis.

The man has run multiple times, for both parties now, and for whatever reason someone in the Republican party hasn't gotten smart enough to buy him off.

Now they're paying for it.

That's why Corwin lost.

There is no other reason.
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I hope the republicans keep believing the reason they lost a seat that they have held since the civil war was because of someone that got about 8% of the vote. Keep up with the denial.:thumbs:
 
donc said:
Wow,that's been in republican hands since around the civil war hasn't it?
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It still would be if a fake tea party candidate hadn't sucked off votes.
 
As someone who lives where this particular news story was made, yeah, I did.

I already added it.

You were too busy feeling right to notice it.

Your loss.
 
donc said:
I hope the republicans keep believing the reason they lost a seat that they have held since the civil war was because of someone that got about 8% of the vote. Keep up with the denial.:thumbs:
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:) hey, if ralph nader hadn't run in 2000, who do you think would have won Florida?
 
This vote surprised me, I didnt think a Dem had a chance in hell to win...so much for my accuracy.

Theres something both sides are forgetting in this equasion, the teaparty keeps harping nothing will change for anyone over 55, even though thats not true...but if your 45 to 54 your taking a huge hit a 45 yr old could have been paying in to social security and medicare for 27 yrs or more, 36yrs for a 54 yr old, not all of them are going to buy the ryans plan either.
The teaparty had to exclude everyone over 55 to even have the remotest chance of having any part of it passed.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
This wasn't a Democrat win, it was a Republican loss because they couldn't figure out how to neutralize Jack Davis.

The man has run multiple times, for both parties now, and for whatever reason someone in the Republican party hasn't gotten smart enough to buy him off.

Now they're paying for it.

That's why Corwin lost.

There is no other reason.
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You are missing the point: The winner/loser was irrelevant. The relevant point was that a dem got 48% of the vote in a district that should have delivered only 33-35%. If a dem can win in a republican stronghold, the 50-70 seats that are competitive would be a cakewalk for dems in the current environment.
 
lpast said:
The teaparty had to exclude everyone over 55 to even have the remotest chance of having any part of it passed.
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interesting claim. what do you think the implications of that are for doing nothing, or following the president's proposals; both of which drastically effect people currently on the program?
 
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cpwill said:
interesting claim. what do you think the implications of that are for doing nothing, or following the president's proposals; both of which drastically effect people currently on the program?
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Ive never once said "DO NOTHING" lol, I dont know how many times I have say what I believe on this.
No more tax cuts included with medicare mangling and deficit deductions. Do a reform of medicare and Straight deficit reduction buy cutting all the crap that costs us billions.
Our budget and treasury is broke...medicare and social security arent part of it, just the opposite is true they ROBBED medicare and social security fund and put it in the treasury.
Thats what annoys me the most about all this...the teaparty wants to blame medicare and social security for our debt woes and neither have anything to do with our budget deficits...and thats why I call it a conjob. They are using the crisis and blaming entitlements and public workers for their agenda
Everyone of the states with teaparty govs are now spanking them. They had a genuine opportunity to do the right thing and they went nuts just like pelosi and company did. Its the same thing with a different face...two extremes and america doesnt like either
 
the mathematics say the precise opposite of what you claim - as we move forward, it is social security and medicare that explode as the baby boomers retire, and it is those programs that push us off the edge into bankruptcy.

you simply don't avoid a fiscal meltdown without dramatic reductions in medicare expenditures. you can grumble about this and blame others, but the reality remains. at this point, voting against the Ryan Budget, with the lack of any alternative on the table, is voting to let Medicare die - it is the equivalent of slitting your throat to spite your face.
 
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