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Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

If you are for selling health insurance across states lines, it would seen that it is you who wants the Federal Govenment to control what happens in the states. Does Texas allow all health insurance to be sold in the state???

Why would the Federal Govt. be involved in states soliciting healthcare insurance bids from insurance companies in other states? You continue to miss the point and divert from the FACT, healthcare is a personal responsibility that belongs in the state and local communities, not with a Federal Bureaucrat making the decision. If a state chooses not to offer a state solution then either change the state govt. or move to another state. Liberals like you always want the Federal Govt. to step in and solve your own personal problems.
 
Yes, asinine far-right hyperbole.



Oh, Rasmussen? Why am I not surprised? Here, take a look at a real study on the role of health care reform in the '10 elections. You'll find that health care was not the main issue of the '10 elections; and that support for the law was largely divided along party lines with a slight majority of independents having negative views; but a large majority of Americans supporting the individual components of the law. Hardly a mandate on health care reform, like you keep repeating. More of a mandate on the economy, like I said.

You continue to miss the point, the public supports healthcare reform, not mandated Obamacare. Most people realize that healthcare is a personal responsibility issue. If you cannot sell your state govt. on healthcare program that you want, work to change your govt. instead of looking for the Federal Govt. to solve your own personal responsibility issues.

I am still waiting for you to explain who taught you that it was someone else's responsibility to pay for your healthcare costs? Noticed you are working hard to make that a Federal Responsibility. 26 states suing the govt. say you are wrong
 
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You continue to miss the point, the public supports healthcare reform, not not mandated Obamacare. Most people realize that healthcare is a personal responsibility issue. If you cannot sell your state govt. on healthcare program that you want, work to change your govt. instead of looking for the Federal Govt. to solve your own personal responsibility issues.

I am still waiting for you to explain who taught you that it was someone else's responsibility to pay for your healthcare costs? Noticed you are working hard to make that a Federal Responsibility. 26 states suing the govt. say you are wrong

Again with your asinine question. You ask me some loaded question and expect me to dignify it with an answer. I can play that game too. Who taught you that it's morally acceptable to kill poor people? How about you address the fact that I just owned you in regards to your insistence that HC reform was the main issue during the last elections? I noticed you don't want to talk about that anymore.
 
Why would the Federal Govt. be involved in states soliciting healthcare insurance bids from insurance companies in other states? You continue to miss the point and divert from the FACT, healthcare is a personal responsibility that belongs in the state and local communities, not with a Federal Bureaucrat making the decision. If a state chooses not to offer a state solution then either change the state govt. or move to another state. Liberals like you always want the Federal Govt. to step in and solve your own personal problems.

You are the one who said in another thread, that insurance companies should be sold across state lines, not me. That would require the Federal Government to make it a mandate. And it not just you who advanced this thought, almost every Repubicon at the time was saying this.
 
Where do you get your legal tender.

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Please note what it says just above George Washington's portrait.

Where does the fed? Do you honestly believe there really IS an Uncle Sam...and he is a rich benevolent kindly old soul doling out dollars to his little state chirruns? Good lord dood...seriously? Where does 'the fed' get its money?
 
Where does the fed? Do you honestly believe there really IS an Uncle Sam...and he is a rich benevolent kindly old soul doling out dollars to his little state chirruns? Good lord dood...seriously? Where does 'the fed' get its money?


Fine get some legal tender from what ever state you live in:shrug:
 
Fine get some legal tender from what ever state you live in:shrug:

You either are too stupid to be able to answer the question, or know that if you answer it honestly just how stupid it will make your previous two comments look. So...Im betting on the second option, but I dont know...starting to lean a little more to the first.
 
You either are too stupid to be able to answer the question, or know that if you answer it honestly just how stupid it will make your previous two comments look. So...Im betting on the second option, but I dont know...starting to lean a little more to the first.


Actually I usually never pay attention to your posts since about all you do is insult people. You are not really worth the time of day nor are your sophomoric libertarian rantings / hallucinations.
 
Actually I usually never pay attention to your posts since about all you do is insult people. You are not really worth the time of day nor are your sophomoric libertarian rantings / hallucinations.

Better to have just said..."OK...right...it WAS kinda silly at that" then that clumsy little retreat. But at least it shows you know quite well where 'the fed' gets its money from and how silly your comments are. But hey...on the plus side, Sgt Meow gave you the old thumb up...so...you have that going for you...
 
Better to have just said..."OK...right...it WAS kinda silly at that" then that clumsy little retreat. But at least it shows you know quite well where 'the fed' gets its money from and how silly your comments are. But hey...on the plus side, Sgt Meow gave you the old thumb up...so...you have that going for you...

My thumbs up is better than your thumb up your ass.
 
Again with your asinine question. You ask me some loaded question and expect me to dignify it with an answer. I can play that game too. Who taught you that it's morally acceptable to kill poor people? How about you address the fact that I just owned you in regards to your insistence that HC reform was the main issue during the last elections? I noticed you don't want to talk about that anymore.

You consider those equally assine questions? You think it is the Federal Taxpayer Responsibility to pay for your health insurance in your local community or state? Not sure where you get your information but you are looking foolish.

I never said healthcare was the MAIN issue in the election of '10 but it was A issue in '10 and that was after 26 states sued the Federal Govt. Now tell me who taught you that someone else was responsible for paying your healthcare bill?
 
You are the one who said in another thread, that insurance companies should be sold across state lines, not me. That would require the Federal Government to make it a mandate. And it not just you who advanced this thought, almost every Repubicon at the time was saying this.

Apparently you don't understand the concept. Promoting competition is what the Federal Govt. should be doing, not mandating a Federal Healthcare program or even a State program that is similar. Why do you believe it is my responsibility to pay for your health insurance and vice versa?
 
You consider those equally assine questions? You think it is the Federal Taxpayer Responsibility to pay for your health insurance in your local community or state? Not sure where you get your information but you are looking foolish.

I never said healthcare was the MAIN issue in the election of '10 but it was A issue in '10 and that was after 26 states sued the Federal Govt. Now tell me who taught you that someone else was responsible for paying your healthcare bill?

That's why I won't answer your question. I never said that the fed gov't should pay for my insurance. Never. I said that it's the fed's and state's responsibility to provide for the general welfare of its citizens by providing adequate, affordable health care. Notice the word 'affordable'. That implies that something is paid for. I didn't say free, I said 'affordable'.

And yes, you did say that the '10 elections were a mandate on Democrats for their HC reform law. Then I said you were wrong and you disagreed. Then I proved you wrong in post #70. And now you're walking back your comments.
 
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until 2003, when he left to go run for governor. :)

it is sort of entertaining how democrats are now admitting that the President's healthcare plan is a poison-kiss, and attempting to tie it to the candidates that they see as a threat. Obama has made a point of saying specifically how wonderful he thinks Romneycare is on... how many occasions since Romney took in $10 million?

:D Having spent 3 years blaming them for his inability to spark an economic recovery, it seems that Obama has decided to blame Republicans for Obamacare, too :D

however, before we get into the words (and I have more than a few questions about those), let's look at deeds. what did Mitch Daniels actually do to reform healthcare in his state?

Oh, well would you look at that.

Ahh no. I think the entire point of this thread is the fact that the mandate was ok when repubs promoted it but not ok when a Obama did and how, since the demoguagary of the issue, is now a bowl of toxic stew for any potential Repub that has to survive the primary.

Liberals don't want Daniels to run. He may actually win.
 
That's why I won't answer your question. I never said that the fed gov't should pay for my insurance. Never. I said that it's the fed's and state's responsibility to provide for the general welfare of its citizens by providing adequate, affordable health care. Notice the word 'affordable'. That implies that something is paid for. I didn't say free, I said 'affordable'.

And yes, you did say that the '10 elections were a mandate on Democrats for their HC reform law. Then I said you were wrong and you disagreed. Then I proved you wrong in post #70. And now you're walking back your comments.

There you go again using words that have different meanings to different people and you want to set the definition? First of all providing for the general welfare is open to interpretation for what is general welfare and how do you provide for it. I contend that by making conditions favorable for competition you create a favorable atmosphere for cost effective welfare programs. I don't believe it is the Federal Government's role to provide for your personal responsibility issues including healthcare.

Then there is the word affordable. What is affordable to me is different that what is affordable to you so why don't you define affordable? Probably for the same reason liberals never provide a definition for what is one's fair share or a fair wage. Are you worried about what is affordable to the companies that employ people, pay taxes, contribute to charity, and pay dividends to investors? Do you worry about what is affordable to companies that have to pay for govt. regulations and for frivilous lawsuits? If you cared about affordable you would attack costs as much as you attack revenue because you never understand profit margin and what makes up that margin. So until you define affordable and apply that to each individual's own personal finances which you don't know you have zero credibility.

As for the elections your poll showed a large percentage that counted healthcare as a factor and yet you ignore that the Republicans had record gains in the states and local communities which show that the majority in this country understand better the liberal lies and now who Barack Obama is. I knew it by looking at his resume. Millions today are finally looking at his results. Barack Obama's social engineering, massive debt creation, massive expansion in the govt. and it role is unsustainable and thus unaffordable to the taxpayers.
 
You sure have a funny way of looking at things. The point of the article is not that Democrats are complaining that Obamacare is too far to the right.

no, that's merely the entertaining result of the attempt to give Republicans the poison kiss on this - although there are in fact many democrats who do complain that Obamacare is too far to the right. Part of the Democrat Party's shift left even as the nation has shifted right.

The point is that Republicans like Daniels and Romney don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing Obama over his health care reform law. Romney's law was the blueprint for Obama's law, and Daniels pushed for similar reforms and also accepted Obamacare funds. Nice attempt at deflection, though.

I linked what Daniels pushed for when it came to healthcare reform. I can only assume you didn't read it, however, the punchline is: Romney's reform is indeed very similar to Obamacare. Daniels' reforms were in the opposite direction - towards privatization. The man never "pushed" in Indiana for a mandate, he put in place HSA's; and he gave people the choice whether or not to take them - no mandate. Daniels does not now and never has supported the notion that the government should force people to purchase health insurance.

...Daniels added that he didn’t agree that “as a matter of either good health care policy or, frankly, our constitutional liberties, that government at any level should be ordering Americans to buy a given product.”...

huh. somehow that got left out of your article.
 
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Apparently you don't understand the concept. Promoting competition is what the Federal Govt. should be doing, not mandating a Federal Healthcare program or even a State program that is similar. Why do you believe it is my responsibility to pay for your health insurance and vice versa?

Yesterday, you said this:

First you open up competition in all states and allow insurance to be sold across state lines...

Today, each of the states has the right to allow any healthcare insurance to be sold in their state. To get them all to sell across state lines the Federal Government would need to do this, this is what YOU advocated.
 
Yesterday, you said this:



Today, each of the states has the right to allow any healthcare insurance to be sold in their state. To get them all to sell across state lines the Federal Government would need to do this, this is what YOU advocated.

Not sure how to explain it to you but that is allowing for competition not a govt. mandate for insurance
 
Not sure how to explain it to you but that is allowing for competition not a govt. mandate for insurance
You can't explain it, because you don't know what you're talking about. Each and every state has the right to allow any health insurance company to sell in their state - in other words its the states that are stopping this competition, not the Federal Government.
 
that is correct. state level politicians are currently paid well by the insurance agencies in their borders to keep those borders sealed. however, breaking these kind of trade restrictions between the states is precisely why we gave the Congress the right to regulate interstate congress. They don't have to knock down the restrictions, but they have the legitimate right to, and it would go far towards lowering health insurance prices. That is what Conservative is talking about.
 
that is correct. state level politicians are currently paid well by the insurance agencies in their borders to keep those borders sealed. however, breaking these kind of trade restrictions between the states is precisely why we gave the Congress the right to regulate interstate congress. They don't have to knock down the restrictions, but they have the legitimate right to, and it would go far towards lowering health insurance prices. That is what Conservative is talking about.


interstate congress?:confused: Great now I can't of the word you actually meant:3oops:
 
:D interstate commerce. that's what i get for typing while listening to the news next up, how did the president's speech play in israel.
 
:D interstate commerce. that's what i get for typing while listening to the news next up, how did the president's speech play in israel.


It finally popped in my head. :lol:
 
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