Mitch Daniels Not Only Took ObamaCare Funds, He Pushed Similar Reforms

Catawba said:

Anything having to do with possible issues for a Daniels presidential campaign appear to moot at this point ~

Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels decides not to run for president

"Gov. Mitch Daniels says he won't seek the Republican nomination, prompting more concern among GOP leaders about the strength of the party's candidates."

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WELL NOW!!! You sure know how to screw up a perfectly good derail.Hhmmff…facts.:2mad:




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OpportunityCost said:

You argue that people are for the bill and point to a poll, a poll which you cherry picked quotes and numbers from. A poll which also has contrary results to your posts.

People dont believe the fed can make health care better.
People are not for the health care reform in the bill in its entirely, they are good and bad in the bill, but for the most part people do not like the bill as it stands now.
People are not educated on the issues because a good percentage believe the bill will have no economic impact---good or bad a bill that affects the health care industry with as much depth as this one will have an impact, guaranteed.

The useless points thing...that would be you, not me. Your own link undermines your position because you cherry picked it, getting snarky with me doesnt change that.

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I didn't cherry pick ****. I chose to highlight the sections pertinent to the discussion I was having with Conservative; ie, that health care was not the main issue of the 2010 elections. Perhaps you missed that. Perhaps you should read before throwing in your two cents. Deny this:

"4 in 10 Americans (41 to 49%) said that health care or health care reform would be extremely important. The economy or jobs was the issue designated as extremely important by the largest proportion (55 to 62%)

67% of Democrats say they are more likely to vote for a congressional candidate who supported the new health care law, and 72% of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for such a candidate. Among independents, a larger proportion say they would be less likely (37%) than say they’d be more likely (29%) to vote for a candidate who supported the new health care law (Pew–NJ, September–October).

Third, more than 7 months after the health care reform law was enacted, a majority of Americans neither favor nor oppose it. Various independent polling organizations have taken varied approaches to this question and have reported a range of results

Americans clearly have conflicting views about various aspects of the health care legislation and their impact. On the one hand, many elements of the law are highly popular, including the provision of tax breaks for small businesses to make coverage for their workers more affordable (favored by 90% of the public), expansion of the Medicare prescription-drug benefit to fill the “doughnut hole” (favored by 79%), and the requirement that insurers cover all applicants, even if they have preexisting conditions (favored by 58 to 80%)."

You realize I can keep rebutting your commentary with your own link right?
Because you keep trying to portray that people liked the HealthCare law or have no negatives involved with it and that the economy was more important. If you look at why people dont like the health care bill is because it makes the creation of new jobs carry a large cost in terms of health care, essentially doubling the current employer tax structure per employee.

Rebuttal point from your own article:

First, regarding the question of the country’s mood, it seems clear that Americans today have very negative views about the general direction of the country, and they express an anti-incumbent attitude toward Congress. As the 2010 congressional election approaches, more than 6 in 10 likely voters (64%) believe that the country has gotten off on the wrong track, while about one third (31%) think the country is headed in the right direction (Bloomberg). In addition, the results of current polling portray the electoral environment as similar to that of 1994 and 2006, when the incumbent party lost control of both houses of Congress. Registered voters’ anti-incumbent mood can be seen in their inclination not to vote to reelect their current congressional representative, but rather to look around for someone else: 55% of registered voters say they are inclined to look around (WP–ABC, September–October), and only 31% say they are inclined to vote to reelect their current representative, a lower proportion than just before the 1994 and 2006 congressional elections (37% each).3 An important sign for the future of the new health care law is that 53% of likely voters believe that if the Republicans become the majority party in both houses of Congress, they could successfully repeal laws that have been passed during the past 2 years (Battleground–GWU–Politico).

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Sooo, if they put Republicans into office to repeal legislative measures and the signature measure of the last congress was the health care bill, what do you think they want repealed?

Bottom line: the health care bill was not popular, but people are not just griping about it, they are voting on it.

OpportunityCost said:

You realize I can keep rebutting your commentary with your own link right?
Because you keep trying to portray that people liked the HealthCare law or have no negatives involved with it and that the economy was more important. If you look at why people dont like the health care bill is because it makes the creation of new jobs carry a large cost in terms of health care, essentially doubling the current employer tax structure per employee.

Rebuttal point from your own article:


Sooo, if they put Republicans into office to repeal legislative measures and the signature measure of the last congress was the health care bill, what do you think they want repealed?

Bottom line: the health care bill was not popular, but people are not just griping about it, they are voting on it.

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You do realize that you don't know what the **** you're talking about, right? Let me speak slowly for you. I never said that people like the health care law. Never. I said that health care was not the main issue of the 2010 elections. That was the argument that I was having with Conservative. And I proved my point with the study that I cited. Bottom line: shut up unless you you actually know what I'm talking about. Next.

And your own article you cited disagrees with that premise. The article also stated that they thought the US was on the wrong track, it also says they voted for candidates to repeal said legislation. I know what Im talking about, you dont want to ackowledge these points because they dont agree with you.

Something to consider :

4. Don't Be A Jerk (DBAJ) - This simply means what it sounds like.

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Try it out. You might want to look over rule 3 as well. Debate some ideas and stuff :roll:

Sgt Meowenstein said:

What a surprise, Conservative is trying to take the easy way out by splitting hairs. Daniels and Romney are both on record supporting a form of health care reform that resembles Obama's. The "I support it in my state, but not nationally" argument isn't working for Romney, won't work for Daniels, and isn't working for you.

Romney and Daniels are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, if they fully stand behind their reforms, while simultaneously bashing Obama's, they'll look like hypocrites. On the other hand, if they denounce their own reforms as mistakes, they'll look bad because they won't stand behind their own laws. Either way, they look bad. Good luck.

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Why don't you read the Constitution someday, it'll do you good. Learn the relationship between the States and the Fed.