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Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

X Factor said:
Yes. Did you read the whole article? In some cases they're being "encouraged" to wear these instead of their helmets, whereas the men get to keep their helmets on.
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i did read the article. i was just clarifying where you were coming from.

so we can agree that

Amazed said:
You know what you "sensitive" Muslims, kiss my lily white a**.
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was a ridiculus comment for two reasons.

1. Muslims aren't requesting the female soldiers to wear Hijab

2. kissing Amazeds lily while ass would not be a pleasant experience for the Officers who may be encouraging these female soldiers to wear Hijab.


sweet.


carry on.
 
Amazed said:
Female U.S. soldiers are being “encouraged” to wear headscarves in Afghanistan in an effort to get closer to the locals, according to The Daily Caller.

Major Kyndra Rotunda, the executive director of the Military Law and Policy Institute, says that being “encouraged” to do something in the military is tantamount to being “ordered” to do it, putting the servicewomen in a touchy situation.


Sensitivity Training? Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab | The Blaze

You know what you "sensitive" Muslims, kiss my lily white a**.
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My first reaction was same as yours. But after watching this thread float by and thinking about it, I've changed my mind. #1--They aren't being ordered to do so; #2--If they were ordered to do so, I'm not at all sure that would be so terrible either; #3--What is wrong with showing respect for the culture of a country you're trying to help? Nothing.

Used to be that ladies covered their heads in a Catholic Church. All the ladies in the congregation weren't always Catholic, but rarely did women ignore this polite and traditional custom. It's just, well, no big deal.
 
X Factor said:
Yes. Did you read the whole article? In some cases they're being "encouraged" to wear these instead of their helmets, whereas the men get to keep their helmets on.
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Lt. Col. Michael Lawhorn, a U.S. Central Command spokesman, stressed to TheDC that while commanders are encouraging American women to wear headscarves while engaging with civilians, they are not having them wear the headscarf in lieu of their kevlar helmets
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They specifically did not have them wear a headscarf instead of a helmet. It all comes down to the comfort level of the individual soldier.
 
Serenity said:
i did read the article. i was just clarifying where you were coming from.

so we can agree that



was a ridiculus comment for two reasons.

1. Muslims aren't requesting the female soldiers to wear Hijab

2. kissing Amazeds lily while ass would not be a pleasant experience for the Officers who may be encouraging these female soldiers to wear Hijab.


sweet.


carry on.
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You're right, I didn't see in that article that the Muslims are requesting anything from our military. I'd also agree that kissing Amazed's lilly white ass would not be pleasant for anybody.

repeter said:
They specifically did not have them wear a headscarf instead of a helmet. It all comes down to the comfort level of the individual soldier.
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The article also said that "suggestions" from the brass are just as good as orders. Still, if it's true that it's the comfort level of the soldier that dictates here, then clearly this is not necessary to reach our objectives, as was suggested before.
 
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X Factor said:
The article also said that "suggestions" from the brass are just as good as orders. Still, if it's true that it's the comfort level of the soldier that dictates here, then clearly this is not necessary to reach our objectives, as was suggested before.
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The rationale for it being a suggestion was the legislation mentioned in the article preventing the Pentagon from ordering female soldiers in Saudi Arabia wearing abaya's. I would agree that this is not absolutely necessary to our objective, but highly beneficial.
 
X Factor said:
It's not that I don't understand that, I just find it interesting which principles people are willing to compromise. I'm going to use an argument I hear all the time in the abortion debate, if it were the guys who wore the hijab, would we expect our military men to do it?
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Men are expected to uphold cultural norms in foreign countries as well.
 
Amazed said:
Nope.

We are fighting, bleeding, and dying there.

They can deal with it.

It IS an issue....we are American's.
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Our men and women have fought and died in part to free this Nation from the Islamic Cult that would kill women for showing a bit of bare ankle and they want this BS?

This is another reason we shouldn't be involved overtly in Libya and if we are going to arm them because we don't like Gaddafi keep your damn mouth shut about it.
 
Redress said:
Men are expected to uphold cultural norms in foreign countries as well.
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Indeed, there's classes our folks take to get it right. You'd be amazed at the outcome of a cultural faux pas in that neck of the woods.
 
Councilman said:
Our men and women have fought and died in part to free this Nation from the Islamic Cult that would kill women for showing a bit of bare ankle and they want this BS?

This is another reason we shouldn't be involved overtly in Libya and if we are going to arm them because we don't like Gaddafi keep your damn mouth shut about it.
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Absolute friggin bull****. Our men and women fight and die for freedom. Freedom to worship any way you damn well please, for instance. You need to sign up or shut up.
 
It makes sense logically. The thing is, if people take issue with being ordered (let alone suggested) to do things they might not like or personally disagree with, then they shouldn't be in the military, as guess what? Sometimes you have to do **** that you don't like. I don't see this as being radically out there, as our objective isn't the same as it is in standard warfare.
 
X Factor said:
It's not that I don't understand that, I just find it interesting which principles people are willing to compromise. I'm going to use an argument I hear all the time in the abortion debate, if it were the guys who wore the hijab, would we expect our military men to do it?
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Compromise?

If someone doesn't have a problem with it - or sees it possitive -then they'll consider doing it.

If they have a problem then they won't.

Hardly a compromise.
 
apdst said:
Or, we can just kill off all the assholes. Problem solved.
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Translation: kill the whole country.

Anyways, I wont rest until we turn their daughters into britney spears sluts and theyre listening to rock n roll.
 
X Factor said:
Well hell, why not do away with all military uniforms and weapons? I'm sure the locals would be a lot more comfortable if none of our soldiers had either of those things.
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Not everyone who's over there and helping is in uniform or toting a weapon.
 
SE102 said:
I didnt realise anything anyone was doing there was helping at all.
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Well then I guess all you're paying attention to is the depressing wartime situations.

We're providing humanitarian aid, trying to solidify things so they can provide a more solid future for their children. Food securities, safer employment, adequate transportation, and improved medical and educational services.

We always provide these things when we are engaged in a country - it is rare for us to engage in a country and not try to help the people out. we're not fighting the Afghanistani people. We are fighting the regime that's roosting in their mountains.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well then I guess all you're paying attention to is the depressing wartime situations.

We're providing humanitarian aid, trying to solidify things so they can provide a more solid future for their children. Food securities, safer employment, adequate transportation, and improved medical and educational services.

We always provide these things when we are engaged in a country - it is rare for us to engage in a country and not try to help the people out. we're not fighting the Afghanistani people. We are fighting the regime that's roosting in their mountains.
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Regimes don't roost in mountains. You keep keeping them solid and secure with solid futures and applying government and economic models that don't fit there in any way.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yep, and remind me when democracy finally sprouted? Waaaaay after people shed their tribal identities.
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I though Democracy started in Europe after there Monarchs were remove form power? Did I miss something?
 
It seems to me that this is much ado about nothing.
 
cpgrad08 said:
I though Democracy started in Europe after there Monarchs were remove form power? Did I miss something?
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Well not necessarily when they removed their monarchs from power (constitutional monarchies are democratic), but if you want to understand what we're talking about go back and see Mac and Gardener's original posts.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I hate agreeing with Gardener and disagreeing with you here mac, but he does have a point.
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I'm curious as to why you would hate to agree with me for pointing out the futility of the neocon agenda to reshape the culture of the middle east?
 
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