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CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

Ron Mars said:
You were one of those people meg?

Did/do you believe Bush is not an intelligent man?
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I believe his intelligence was irrelevent because he refused to use it, instead favoring an ideology that did not waver to circumstance. He famously did not care about things like poll numbers and that sort of stuff, prefering to stick to his guns no matter what. The constant failure to consider the situation and data rather than his personal values was a huge problem with his presidency.

He may have been intelligent, but he never acted as if he was. People like Palin demonstrate the same sort of problem. His failure to act intelligently while in the office is the reason I hold the opinion that he isn't intelligent.

(I know, I never give simple answers to anything :mrgreen:)
 
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megaprogman said:
I believe his intelligence was irrelevent because he refused to use it, instead favoring an ideology that did not waver to circumstance. He famously did not care about things like poll numbers and that sort of stuff, prefering to stick to his guns no matter what. The constant failure to consider the situation and data rather than his personal values was a huge problem with his presidency.

He may have been intelligent, but he never acted as if he was. People like Palin demonstrate the same sort of problem. His failure to act intelligently while in the office is the reason I hold the opinion that he isn't intelligent.
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So in other words, Bush is intelligent but he isn't. Got it.
 
MrVicchio said:
The Tea Party has higher favorable ratings then Obama... oh I see you missed that. Carry on then.
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We don't want to hear anything negative about the Tea Party! However, if you have a poll saying Obama's numbers are slipping....
 
megaprogman said:
Intelligence is more than a binary thing.
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The point is that lots of people believe Bush is not an intelligent man despite the proof that he is.

The same type of disinformation is at work with the CNN poll.

I would like to see the same CNN polling groups answer to this question; "In your opinion, is Geroge W. Bush an intelligent man?"
 
Ron Mars said:
The point is that lots of people believe Bush is not an intelligent man despite the proof that he is.
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And I have given you a basis for why I don't believe he was intelligent. I can't speak for other people though.

Ron Mars said:
The same type of disinformation is at work with the CNN poll.

I would like to see the same CNN polling groups answer to this question; "In your opinion, is Geroge W. Bush an intelligent man?"
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Perhaps you are right and perhaps not, but you have to prove your case before you can claim its true. Personally, I just don't know.
 
megaprogman said:
I guess I tend to think people are more intelligent then you do. I have yet to meet a person who I have spent any significant amount of time with that hasn't surprised me somehow with their insight into an issue.

Generally, I think hoaxes probably do affect general opinions at first, but as people learn about an issue, they have less of an effect.
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Tell that to nonperriel or whatever his name is. Apparently the tea party is not for equality and freedom or some such.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Tell that to nonperriel or whatever his name is. Apparently the tea party is not for equality and freedom or some such.
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I believe that they are for their definition of those terms. Perhaps not nonperile's.
 
megaprogman said:
And I have given you a basis for why I don't believe he was intelligent. I can't speak for other people though.

Perhaps you are right and perhaps not, but you have to prove your case before you can claim its true. Personally, I just don't know.
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So we find ourselves back at the original question.

Have the lies about the Tea Party affected people's opinions about them?

Perhaps we'll never know the answer to that question. The safe bet is of course the lies made a difference in people's opinion.

It's happened lots of times before and will definitely happen again.
 
Ron Mars said:
So we find ourselves back at the original question.

Have the lies about the Tea Party affected people's opinions about them?

Perhaps we'll never know the answer to that question. The safe bet is of course the lies made a difference in people's opinion.

It's happened lots of times before and will definitely happen again.
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And why is it a safe bet? I see you making this assumption but not giving a good basis as to why you make this assumption.
 
Ron Mars said:
It's happened lots of times before and will definitely happen again.
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So it happening at least once in the past means that we can cast doubt any all public opinion forever and ever on that basis alone?
 
megaprogman said:
I believe that they are for their definition of those terms. Perhaps not nonperile's.
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No, I think when he complained about "platitudes" he double downed with his own learned misinformation, hence his departure from the thread when challenged.
 
nonpareil said:
You claimed "they don't agree" - why make that claim if you have no evidence?
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I'm glad you asked. I looked at the data and therefore had all of the evidence I needed to make the claim. The data is readily available to anyone that wants to view it. If they want to take issue with my claim, I am happy to address the issue or rescind the claim as need be.

On the other hand, I have little patience for people who put no thought or effort into the discussion beyond linking to someone else's work, and who then assume that it is fact unless I or someone else expends actual thought and energy to prove it wrong. In that case, I could really care less whether such a person believes me or not - if they want to remain ignorant, so be it.

[just to clarify, I don't mean point fingers at specific people as if they approach every thread in this manner. I should have instead referred to "instances in which people..."]
 
mac said:
Admiral Stockdale was a great American thrust into an arena he was not prepared for. Only American weenies belittle such a man for not being a great politician.
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Thanks for that info Mac. You have to be proud reading about his resistance as a POW. My hat is off to his service and his courage.

Having said that, he was totally out of his league running for VP and was ill prepared by the Perot team. He came off looking old and rather uninformed and without the quick and easy answers that we come to expect of politicians in that position. That was not enitrely his fault but it is the image that emerged.
 
rocket88 said:
It's also being reported by the Christian Science Monitor, how's that?

New polls make tea party leaders ask: Are we in trouble? - CSMonitor.com

And the UPI: Poll: Support for Tea Party has slipped - UPI.com
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As someone earlier in this thread said, in more or less words, that you can't believe what any poll says unless you know the specific question asked and to whom the question was asked. Even I could say I was a liberal democrat just to partake in a poll that says I strongly dislike the way Obama is running the country.
 
I keep hearing that theTea Party is EXTREMIST.
Of course that makes me very nervous.
 
DashingAmerican said:
RIIIIGHT. Because CNN is TOTALLY the most trustworthy group of so called journalists.
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Ok thats about the fifth person in this thread saying that CNN is some horrible fox news type of entity (at least in terms of being trusted). Whats going on here?

DashingAmerican said:
As someone earlier in this thread said, in more or less words, that you can't believe what any poll says unless you know the specific question asked and to whom the question was asked. Even I could say I was a liberal democrat just to partake in a poll that says I strongly dislike the way Obama is running the country.
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Theres a link to poll questions on page 2 of thread.
 
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Ron Mars said:
If it had happened only once before I would agree.
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Ok. Well lets just discount all polls, elections, and pretty much all public opinion because someone might be lying to them.
 
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