• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Market

Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

According to the link, the guy openly violated existing federal law by trying to establish a competing currency. It's quite unlike the case in the OP and totally unrelated. Although I take issue with the prosecutor's cavalier use of the word "terrorist."

Before I read that link, I'd only "heard" about it. What I heard was a lot less serious than what I read there. I thought he was just making coins on a small scale for businesses in his area. A barter system that government hates but people love.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

None of his actions/policies belie my knowledge of who he is...and make no mistake, he isn't a "Liberal" in the classic sense.

He is a Statist/Progressive....and he is uniquely unqualified for the job he currently holds.

Someone hasn't been paying attention to Obama's policies.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

I watch his every move in terms of what he does, what he believes, and whom he surrounds himself with :)





Someone hasn't been paying attention to Obama's policies.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Yep ... lots of cherry-picked peripheral relationships with giant blanks to fill in. My point is the sinister character of these relationships exists entirely in those blank spaces. There is no conspiracy, just a crafted perception of such.

I guess I just don't see that many blanks. Here, maybe you can fill in a couple from all the ones you see.;)

William Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. headline Mideast peace rally - chicagotribune.com Wright and Ayers
Flashback: Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright Foster Gaddafi Alliance | The Blaze Farrakhan and Wright
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

yes, that is evident. the man rather clearly is a bit of an extremist, and he rather clearly wasn't being contradicted by the room. the question becomes: who was in the room?

Francis Fox Piven for one.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

I guess I just don't see that many blanks. Here, maybe you can fill in a couple from all the ones you see.;)

William Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. headline Mideast peace rally - chicagotribune.com Wright and Ayers
Flashback: Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright Foster Gaddafi Alliance | The Blaze Farrakhan and Wright

Well, from your link, here's Obama's response:
I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet Magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree.
Certainly you don't disagree with that sentiment?

I can't untangle these things for you. Sometimes political goals align. But again, there's nothing sinister about an anti-war rally. The "evil" is being painted in the margins.

Have you seen Fahrenheit 911? It's a hack job on Bush. It's full of factual information loosely tied together to create the impression of corruption. He at once paints a picture of Bush as bumbling and indecisive yet conniving and subversive. But it's a not even close to a fair appraisal. It's a narrative based on Moore's own political beliefs, not Bush's.

I see Beck's take on Obama in the same light. He uses similar tactics. And his conclusions are similarly cartoonish.

I've said before that these guys are astrologers, not astronomers. They point at the stars and say: "Look, a communist!!" In reality, yes, the stars exist, but the connections being drawn between them are arbitrary and fanciful. There isn't really a lion up there.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Have you thoroughly vetted all the professors at the University of Chicago law school as well? What about all of the community organizers he worked with? What about all of the normal people he interacted with that aren't famous enough to talk about? Have you researched all of his fellow law school and undergrad friends and acquaintances? What about the parents of his children's friends? What about all the people he served in the Illinois state senate with? Did you research everybody at the University of Chicago Medical Center where Michelle was Vice President for Community and External Affairs, or every administrator at the college where she was Associate Dean of Student Services and founded UChicago's Community Service Center? Are all of those people terrorists, black liberation theologists, etc. too or are they all just too normal to talk about?

Did he seek them out and become more than just an aquaintance with any of them? Or were they just people he was forced to associate with?
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Did he seek them out and become more than just an aquaintance with any of them? Or were they just people he was forced to associate with?

Did you guys ever find any proof relating to this thread or how this union could possibly even take down the stock market? Or is this another anti-intellectual thread (I'm going to wear that word out on you guys lol).
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Did you guys ever find any proof relating to this thread or how this union could possibly even take down the stock market? Or is this another anti-intellectual thread (I'm going to wear that word out on you guys lol).

He said these things. He advocated these things. Could he do them? Most probably not.

It is noteworthy because he's an arrogant JERK with union connections who is telling people that our country's financial infrastructure should be demolished. And that with the help of unions and community activism groups, it can be done. Telling people they should stop paying their mortgages...stop paying their student loans...bring down the big banks is pretty radical, don't you think? What he's advocating can best be described as economic terrorism. It deserves to be front and center. It's unclear whether or not Lerner is still with the SEIU -- some links say he was fired; some say on administrative leave. But his assocation with SEIU at this particular time isn't doing them any good at all.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

He said these things. He advocated these things. Could he do them? Most probably not.

It is noteworthy because he's an arrogant JERK with union connections who is telling people that our country's financial infrastructure should be demolished. And that with the help of unions and community activism groups, it can be done. Telling people they should stop paying their mortgages...stop paying their student loans...bring down the big banks is pretty radical, don't you think? What he's advocating can best be described as economic terrorism. It deserves to be front and center. It's unclear whether or not Lerner is still with the SEIU -- some links say he was fired; some say on administrative leave. But his assocation with SEIU at this particular time isn't doing them any good at all.

Uh huh... so, nothing to see here then?
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Uh huh... so, nothing to see here then?

Exactly, this is nothing but a conspiracy theory.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Well, from your link, here's Obama's response: Certainly you don't disagree with that sentiment?

I can't untangle these things for you. Sometimes political goals align. But again, there's nothing sinister about an anti-war rally. The "evil" is being painted in the margins.

Have you seen Fahrenheit 911? It's a hack job on Bush. It's full of factual information loosely tied together to create the impression of corruption. He at once paints a picture of Bush as bumbling and indecisive yet conniving and subversive. But it's a not even close to a fair appraisal. It's a narrative based on Moore's own political beliefs, not Bush's.

I see Beck's take on Obama in the same light. He uses similar tactics. And his conclusions are similarly cartoonish.

I've said before that these guys are astrologers, not astronomers. They point at the stars and say: "Look, a communist!!" In reality, yes, the stars exist, but the connections being drawn between them are arbitrary and fanciful. There isn't really a lion up there.

Sorry, those links were in answer to a previous post, where you suggested Obama's friends probably didn't even know each other.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Exactly, this is nothing but a conspiracy theory.

What is the conspiracy theory? Maybe I don't understand the definition. What's untrue here? What's being speculated?
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

What's the conspiracy?

This guy said what he said. What's the theory part?

- there are routine posters on these forums that also agree that redistribution of wealth is critical for us to do (more of)
- there are routine posters on these forums that also agree that wall street doesn't deserve to make what it makes on the backs of "working class" people

It's not like we're talking about some hidden agenda. The only thing new in what he specifically suggested was a catalyst to enact that kind of reform he wants. Namely, a pre-meditated violation of legal contracts in an effort to disrupt Wall Street (banks, JP morgan, etc) to open the door for Change.

And, he pointed out appropriately that people already engage in the same behavior he's advocating on an individual basis (defaulting or whatever). He's saying if they can do it in a coordinated, large scale effort, it may hurt banks. What's so theoretical here?
 
Last edited:
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

What is the conspiracy theory? Maybe I don't understand the definition. What's untrue here? What's being speculated?

Watch Glenn Beck and listen to Rush Limbaugh. You'll figure out what a conspiracy theory is quick. I would say citing that there is some grand scheme by a huge organization to cripple a country by destabalizing it's financial system based off of nothing to be a conspiracy theory.

But that's me.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

I can't help but thinking...didn't this already happen? Didn't the stock market already crash, didn't big banks already die and have to be bailed out, didn't people already stop paying their mortgages (hence all the foreclosures), didn't students already stop paying their loans, didn't our economy already tank? Aren't we already in recovery from the aims of this supposed "leftist conspiracy theory"?

Maybe it already happened. Maybe we're just late to the party.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

p o w e r

.


LOLZ. In crashing the stock market they'd damn themselves. Also, as I said before (I am reiterating this for the third time) it would have to be a massive conspiracy with an inside job at all levels. The economic elite would never let this happen as it would destroy their wealth. Also the government, who is controlled by the economic elite, would do any and everything in its power to make sure that the stock market did not collapse.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

LOLZ. In crashing the stock market they'd damn themselves. Also, as I said before (I am reiterating this for the third time) it would have to be a massive conspiracy with an inside job at all levels. The economic elite would never let this happen as it would destroy their wealth. Also the government, who is controlled by the economic elite, would do any and everything in its power to make sure that the stock market did not collapse.

Not the Marxist/Socialists. Remember these words?

NEVER WASTE A CRISIS.

.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Not the Marxist/Socialists. Remember these words?

NEVER WASTE A CRISIS.

.

Clearly, that one sound byte encapsulates THE LEFT and its generation-spanning, secret plan to DESTROY freedom and enslave the minds of masses in a tyrannical MATRIX of deception to spread sloth and dull-witted passivity to satisfy its bottomless appetite for POWER.

How can anyone get anything else out of that sentence?
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

LOLZ. In crashing the stock market they'd damn themselves. Also, as I said before (I am reiterating this for the third time) it would have to be a massive conspiracy with an inside job at all levels. The economic elite would never let this happen as it would destroy their wealth. Also the government, who is controlled by the economic elite, would do any and everything in its power to make sure that the stock market did not collapse.

I am answering the question of the OP. WHY would anyone do this?

Answer: POWER.

And in the vacuum would come the Marxists full force, not wanting to waste that crisis.

That the chances of it happening is near zero doesn't matter. The question was WHY. The answer obvious. Just look at what has happened with the implosion of GM and the housing market. Answer... Government.

.
 
Last edited:
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

I am answering the question of the OP. WHY would anyone do this?

Answer: POWER.

And in the vacuum would come the Marxists full force, not wanting to waste that crisis.

That the chances of it happening is near zero doesn't matter. The question was WHY. The answer obvious. Just look at what has happened with the implosion of GM and the housing market. Answer... Government.

.


Wow, I see you like to ignore facts that don't fit your view of reality. How sad
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

I am answering the question of the OP. WHY would anyone do this?

Answer: POWER.

And in the vacuum would come the Marxists full force, not wanting to waste that crisis.

That the chances of it happening is near zero doesn't matter. The question was WHY. The answer obvious. Just look at what has happened with the implosion of GM and the housing market. Answer... Government.

.

Do you even know what a derivative is?
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Did you guys ever find any proof relating to this thread or how this union could possibly even take down the stock market? Or is this another anti-intellectual thread (I'm going to wear that word out on you guys lol).

1. The proof is in the video of Stephen Lerner speaking. What more "proof" do you need?

2. No one knows if it could happen or not. We don't know how many people agree with him or what organizations are behind him (if any).

I find it amusing and totally unsurprising that so many leftists refuse to call this Lerner guy nuts for what he would like to do. Instead, they deflect to "So what? It will never happen!" So many psychic leftists here! Still, they refuse to admit that the guy is a total nutjob. Verrrrrrrry interesting.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Wow, I see you like to ignore facts that don't fit your view of reality. How sad
FT.com / US & Canada - Republicans demand public inquiry into housing bail-out
US Government bails out General Motors and Chrysler with $17bn loan - Telegraph

Do you even know what a derivative is?
It's not value investing, and I was surprised when Buffett said his company was dabbling in them. But what does this have to do with some Leftist who was in an extremely powerful position dreaming about tanking the market, and the reasoning why?

.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom