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Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Market

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Why on earth would anyone take this seriously????

It's part of the Beck playbook. Find some wacko, and paint him as being the mainstream of those on the other side. It's really dishonest, but it is what is being done alot.
 
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well, that's some interesting stuff.

guess we'll find out in May how much pull this guy has. SEIU has been at the forefront of threatening bankers children before, so i wouldn't put a little "direct action" past them.

fortunately they intensely misread the center. create ungovernability (or seek it) and you merely create backlash.
 
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Is this supposed to be serious? Can you prove that he's ever stepped on a crack in a sidewalk?

It's likely you could find someone "normal."
It's not possible for me to prove none existed.
But then, you knew that.
 
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Actually Barb, some of us judge people on their actions, not on who Beck claims their friends are. I have friends who are far fringe libertarians who think any regulation to business is communism and bad. Does that make me a fringe libertarian?

Redress, I started researching Obama when he first entered the race. I'm not sure I even watched Beck at the time. I knew a few things about his friends before Hannity even reported on Rev. Wright. It only got curiouser and curiouser when the racist card was played and no one else was covering Wright or Ayers.
We aren't talking about you having a few fringe friends. We are talking about a president who has only fringe friends. Friends who he intentionally "sought out."
When you don't know what to say, you blame Beck for filling heads with nonsense. I don't get the impression on DP that anyone takes Beck at his word. He's usually right, but it might as well be checked out because someone here will challenge it anyway.
Ya know, I watched him last night. I kept wondering how anyone could have such a burr up their butt over him being on the air. He was talking about things like love, hope, honor,charity,faith, family, empowerment,enlightenment,.....just horrible things like that.
There's a new project he wants 9/12ers to do. It involves giving bags of food and a word of encouragement to the unemployed. The man is pure evil, I tell ya..
The only conclusion I came up with, was those who hate him want the economy to crash so a new government can step in. Sounds crazy I know, but not as crazy as those who say nothing is going on and our country is safe.
Our friend, Francis Fox Piven was at the meeting with Stephen Lerner. What he is talking is pretty much from her playbook. If you want to dismiss them, go right ahead. However, I choose to remain vigilant.
 
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And you think there is even a very remote chance of that happening?? If he were even close to being that influential, he would already be a rich man. This thread should probably in the conspiracy part of the forum..

I have no idea what's in his bank account but that has nothing to do with it. Look at Soros. He has more money than God and he is still trying to influence our politics and destroy capitalism.
 
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Redress, I started researching Obama when he first entered the race. I'm not sure I even watched Beck at the time. I knew a few things about his friends before Hannity even reported on Rev. Wright. It only got curiouser and curiouser when the racist card was played and no one else was covering Wright or Ayers.

We aren't talking about you having a few fringe friends. We are talking about a president who has only fringe friends. Friends who he intentionally "sought out."
When you don't know what to say, you blame Beck for filling heads with nonsense. I don't get the impression on DP that anyone takes Beck at his word. He's usually right, but it might as well be checked out because someone here will challenge it anyway.
Ya know, I watched him last night. I kept wondering how anyone could have such a burr up their butt over him being on the air. He was talking about things like love, hope, honor,charity,faith, family, empowerment,enlightenment,.....just horrible things like that.
There's a new project he wants 9/12ers to do. It involves giving bags of food and a word of encouragement to the unemployed. The man is pure evil, I tell ya..
The only conclusion I came up with, was those who hate him want the economy to crash so a new government can step in. Sounds crazy I know, but not as crazy as those who say nothing is going on and our country is safe.
Our friend, Francis Fox Piven was at the meeting with Stephen Lerner. What he is talking is pretty much from her playbook. If you want to dismiss them, go right ahead. However, I choose to remain vigilant.

If you understood anything about the culture of Harvard and University of Chicago, you would understand why Obama is able to interact with people of different political ideologies and perspectives just as many conservatives at those schools are able to do. Nonetheless you clearly haven't done enough research...

This is Obama's best friend, far from a radical. You can add him to your "research":

Martin Nesbitt - WhoRunsGov.com/The Washington Post
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Why isn't this thread in the conspiracy theory section? :confused:
 
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Originally Posted by Mellie
Business Insider: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash The Stock Market | The Blaze

Why on earth would anyone want to crash the stock market???
An easy question to answer, but you may not like the answer. If your immediate reaction to this was a criticism of who owns the site it appeared on rather than checking into the validity of the information well, you may just be a prejudiced leftard who is afraid to confront the truth. And..., if you simply accept this at face value as true and fail to do your due diligence to validate it you may be a prejudice rightard. Either way you'd be incompetent to intelligently discuss this from any basis other than emotionally-driven ranting.

It may interest all here to know that Blaze, the Beck operation, is getting this information from another source, Businee Insider, which is wholly owned by Silicon Alley Insider, Inc. and NOT affiliated in any way with Beck. Matter of fact the contributors are all Wall Street insiders. Therefore, you detractors of the information who dismiss it simply because Blaze published it are so far out in deep left field that you're in Wonderland.

While you go about checking this out there are some things I'd like to ask you to consider as they go towards forming a very distinct "pattern of behavior" that can explain motivation.

If you wonder how Obama mysteriously appeared out of nowhere and assumed an IL senate seat that was conveniently vacated for him,...you may be on the right track, because the New Party is the party affiliation of the Democratic Socialists of America.
" New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago. "

"Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."

"All four candidates attended the NP membership meeting on April 11th to express their gratitude......Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration."
Source: here

If you cannot figure out how the odds-on demonRATic favorite, an almost conceded default presidentrial nominee, was to be Hillary and was swept aside by a virtual unknown first-term senator from IL, then...you may be on the right track.

If it makes you nervous and dubious as to why Obama would be the first ever candidate in the modern era to go to great and expensive pains to hide his early formative personal history and college records, then...you might be on the right track.

If you didn't just accept these things as inconvenient coincidence and did some in-depth research on Obama you would have found much that made you, as a good American citizen, very uncomfortable and just maybe, you might be on the right track.

If you came to realize that his parents, his grandparents, his brother, his early friends and influences, his Chicago friends, influences and associates, his mentors and everyone about him who could be considered an influence fell into that broad category that any freedom-loving American would call "radical" in political perspective and commitment and he actually has NO normal friends...you might be on the right track.

If you then reflected upon your knowledge of history and came to understand that in every lesson history teaches us about Communism, Marxism and socialism one thing is key to a successful strategy to change an existing system by non-violent methods. That commom thread you would have learned is the divide and conquer strategy of very carefully sowing the seeds of of class envy and resentment among the populace.
Upon realizing this reality you would have said...'Now I understand why he's so tight with the union leadership.' and oh boy would you be on the right track now.

You would be simply because there is a reality in America that permeates the "private" unionized working class and individual. It is the very personal belief that a sweeping anti-union sentiment is upon them and it threatens their very existence. If you wrapped your thinking around that reality also you'd be cookin' on the big burner now.

If you were looking for a single "target group" that was just ripe for sowing a resentment of "All I care about now is what's in it for me, because this is all about my survival" kind of mentality, well...you would have found that necessary ingredient to start usurping the existing system.

Now that you realize that in addition to this..., "private sector" unions also see "public sector" (government) unions growing as Obama takes good care of them hiring many new workers and paying them more than their private counterparts. Now that you understand that, doesn't it become more obvious that SEIU could lead their membership around by their collective noses and indoctrinate them to accept that their bad circumstances are due to the "merchants of greed" on Wall Street? The guy who wrote that very piece is a union organizer, so you don't have to believe me.

Sorry to say, but it is mentally indolent and naive to simply ask..."Why on earth would anyone want to crash the stock market???" when you could have done the same research that I invested time and effort into.

Now I'll ask you a question. Do you still not understand why Obama wants to keep spending us into bankruptcy as a nation? The answer, as they say, is as clear as the nose on your face.
 
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Conspiracy theorists - seeing patterns where none exist.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

We aren't talking about you having a few fringe friends. We are talking about a president who has only fringe friends. Friends who he intentionally "sought out."

Really? Only fringe friends? You can document that he has no nonfringe friends? Maybe it's just that the far right only talks bout his fringe friends and acquaintances and makes them into some conspiracy? Could it be that most his friends you have never even heard of or know about?

And I ask again, why the hangup on his friends? Why not actually judge him on what he does? Doesn't that actually make more sense. Instead of blaming him for everything you guys think are his best friends, why not just limit yourself to his words and actions?
 
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Speaking of conspiracy theories, every good conspiracy theory has a link to a youtube video, and Doctorhuga has one, and a link to some random blog no one has heard of, which again he supplies, and of course lots and lots of insanity, which once again, is supplied in no little amount.
 
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How about we base our opinions on fact and not possibilities and circumstantial evidence? One thing I really dislike about conspiracy theorists is that they ask leading questions and listing possibilities instead of stating what they know.
 
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Conspiracy theorists - seeing patterns where none exist.

When we see our government spending us into oblivion, if we don't look for the wizard behind the curtain, we're doomed. There is something going on.

As of March 16, 2011, the official debt of the United States government is $14.2 trillion ($14,232,849,993,955).[1] This amounts to:

• $46,053 for every person living in the U.S.

• $121,091 for every household in the U.S.

• $302,729 for every U.S. household that pays more in federal taxes than they receive in benefits from the federal government

Publicly traded companies are legally required to account for "explicit" and "implicit" future obligations such as employee pensions and retirement benefits. The federal budget, which is the "federal government's primary financial planning and control tool," is not bound by this rule.

* As of September 30, 2010 (the end of the federal government's fiscal year), the federal government has:

• $7.3 trillion ($7,297,000,000,000) in liabilities such as federal employee retirement and veterans' benefits[10]

• $17.2 trillion ($17,195,000,000,000) in unfunded obligations for the Social Security program

• $22.8 trillion ($22,800,000,000,000) in unfunded obligations for the Medicare program

• $122 billion ($122,000,000,000) in unfunded obligations for two other "social insurance" programs called "Black Lung" and "Railroad Retirement"

These unfunded obligations are referred to as "closed group present values" and are calculated in a manner that approximates how publicly traded companies are required to calculate their debts and obligations. The figures represent how much money must be immediately placed in interest-bearing investments to cover the shortfalls between projected revenues and expenditures for all current taxpayers and beneficiaries in these programs.

National Debt Facts

@ Mega -- I noticed that as well.
 
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When we see our government spending us into oblivion, if we don't look for the wizard behind the curtain, we're doomed. There is something going on.



National Debt Facts

Yes, its called people wanting to have everything and nobody wanting to pay for it.
 
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Really? Only fringe friends? You can document that he has no nonfringe friends? Maybe it's just that the far right only talks bout his fringe friends and acquaintances and makes them into some conspiracy? Could it be that most his friends you have never even heard of or know about?

And I ask again, why the hangup on his friends? Why not actually judge him on what he does? Doesn't that actually make more sense. Instead of blaming him for everything you guys think are his best friends, why not just limit yourself to his words and actions?

My distrust of Obama began with Reverend Wright.
 
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Conspiracy theorists - seeing patterns where none exist.
Fool! Listen and learn Or is openmindedness and alertness still conspiracy theory to you. Conspiracy theorist has been the default shout down technique of the left since before you were born. Get a new act, this one's old and boring. FACTS ARE FACTS.
 
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Yes, its called people wanting to have everything and nobody wanting to pay for it.

No. It's called "politicians will promise anything to keep themselves in office." I'm surprised that you can so easily dismiss those appalling numbers.
 
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No. It's called "politicians will promise anything to keep themselves in office."

I see this statement as a different way of stating my point.

I'm surprised that you can so easily dismiss those appalling numbers.

I wasn't trying to dismiss them so much as explain where it came from.
 
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My distrust of Obama began with Reverend Wright.

Rev Wright didn't bother me... If I ran for president, I'd have no chance because of my grandma.
 
Re: Former SEIU Official Reveals Secret Plan To Destroy JP Morgan & Crash Stock Marke

Why on earth would anyone take this seriously????

Two words: Glenn Beck :screwy
 
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He doesn't want a collapse of the entire economy, he wants the banking industry to be reformed and he aims to do it by organizing a middle class revolt of the current system... It's pretty much consumer activism IMO, but a union is behind it..

Crashing the stock market and destroying one of the largest banks in America won't collapse the economy?
 
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No. It's called "politicians will promise anything to keep themselves in office." I'm surprised that you can so easily dismiss those appalling numbers.

That's exactly what it is. Of course, that's not just about Obama, that's any politician.

Digging out of the deficit hole is probably going to require spending cuts and tax raises. Right now we've got one party that wants to raise taxes and one that wants to cut spending. The message of the 2010 midterm elections was this -- work together and figure it out. It was not a great mandate for one party to do it their way and refuse to bend.

That said the Republicans are in a tough spot. If they compromise, the radicals will call them "RINOs." If they don't compromise and the economy stays in the ****ter, jobs are not created, and they're in for it in 2012.
 
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It's likely you could find someone "normal."
It's not possible for me to prove none existed.
But then, you knew that.

And that's my point. You're latching onto whatever evidence serves your preconceived notion, not on the entire body on evidence. That's why I call it confirmation bias -- the data seem to cumulatively support the hypothesis that Obama is a shady radical. But is that because Obama is actually a Kenyan radical, or is it because data that contradict that conclusion are being ignored? To me, it clearly seems the latter. Beck and his team are looking for whatver damaging data they can find, then painting a sinister picture from these unconnected bits of data.

Ask yourself this: What are the direct and indirect connections between Bill Ayers, the SEIU, the Rev. Wright and Frank Marshall? Have they ever spoken to one another? Have they colluded? Have they worked toward a common, stated goal?
 
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It's part of the Beck playbook. Find some wacko, and paint him as being the mainstream of those on the other side. It's really dishonest, but it is what is being done alot.

It's being done a lot, and a lot of people seem unable or unwilling to see through it. I find it troubling.

It's like the NPR or ACORN videos. Any organization could be demonized in a similar way. All it takes is a hidden camera and time. I could find an unstable employee, some petty wrongdoing, some appearance of corruption ... no organization is so efficient and so single-minded of purpose as to be able to control all actions of all employees at all times.

Same is true of these "socialist" conspiracies. I've personally served on boards, worked with and interacted with all kinds of people. I know for a fact that a kid I used to play chess with is now serving time in a southern prison for murder. Does that make me a killer?
 
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who ever thought some cave dwellers could hijack a plane and bring down a skyscraper using box cutters?

to write off a person's ideas of sedition because you don't find them plausible is the most idiotic defense someone could come up with.
 
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