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Democratic Senator Reveals Nearly $300,000 in Unpaid Property Taxes

Objective Voice said:
What I find funny is ANY time the GOP begins to lose ground in the national discourse, they ALWAYS turn to one of their favorite tried and true tactics, "Let's see what juice tidbits of dirt we can find on Democrats."
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1. in case you haven't noticed, the 2010 elections were sort of a massive ground gainer for Republicans. they are advancing at present, not losing

2. both parties trumpet the failures of the other to the sky.


3. if you want to get a look at the relative nastiness of the parties, please feel free to compare the mild ridicule of Biden with the vitriol and violence hurled against Palin. or any other comparative entites from the respective parties. nutjobs in the Democratic Party accused Bush of being complicit in the propagation of the worst terrorist attack on our soil in history, and slandered him with the blood of thousands of innocent Americans. nutjobs in the Republican Party accuse Obama of not having a long form birth certificate. and so on.

Not excusing McCaskill or anyone else for not paying their taxes, it's just interesting that the GOP always uses this tactic in an effort to discredit their opponent while ignoring misdeeds by members of their own party
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it becomes a question of hypocrisy. Just as Republicans are castigated more for failures of moral values (a Republican messing around with a paige is a huge deal, a Democrat doing so is his own personal and nobody else's business), Democrats are castigated more for failures of their social values. the morality of taxing the wealthy being a Democrat value, wealthy Democrats who seek to avoid paying taxes will have to explain to the voters (as philandering Republicans have to do) why the values they preach are good for thee but not for me.
 
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Oh, it comes from all all over the place, mainly from corporations over the place, mainly from corporations

cpwill said:
funny, i went through your link, and it pretty positively demonstrated that the Big Donors are unions...
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cp, I checked out this laugher of a link authority> all over the place, mainly from corporations. A link to opensecrets.org that takes youn to their general blog page. I looked high and low and did a "search" on the page too. Results = NOTHING about corporations giving do-re-mi. It would appear that Mr. Invisible is appropriately named........,after his type of references.
 
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washunut said:
Now it makes sense why these people want to raise the tax rate. They don't pay the taxes anyway so the rate will not impact them!
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Congratulations. Raising the tax rate when the largest percentage of taxes are actually paid by the wealthy transfers that liability to the wealthy. Another way the socialists among us would penalize the risk-takers, investors and those who create jobs. It accomplishes a redistribution of wealth through selective taxation.. The wealthy have less and the rest reap the benefit of that and have more. It defines a parasitic relationship, which these latter-day Marxists who desire to transfer all personal responsiblity to government depend upon.

You may want to amend your political persuasion indicator as follows:.
Lean: Slightly Conservative
 
cpwill said:
funny, i went through your link, and it pretty positively demonstrated that the Big Donors are unions...
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Which is exactly why Dems don't like corporations donating. They're not assured they will get the lion's share of it like they do unions. It levels the playing field and they hate that.
 
cpwill said:
considering that she's been caught pulling this crap before, and considering that during her (failed) run for governor she ran ads suggesting that the Republican was corrupt for doing the exact same thing; i somehow doubt she was unaware of this provision of the tax code.
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I can't find anywhere that she attacked someone for not paying property tax on a plane. I found that she ran an ad attacking someone for how much he used a state owned airplane. Not the same thing at all and not even sure why you brought it up in this discussion.

cpwill said:
15 years ago she might have. :D ain't the internet grand?
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You're acting like she tried to evade these taxes. It's entirely possible and she really should be audited by the IRS but the report here says that they never received a bill for the property tax owed on the plane from the state where it was stored and if that's true it could very easily be an oversight. It seems that as soon as she found out that she owed the money she wrote a check. I understand why people want to make this political but it seems like an oversight that has been corrected with no harm done to anybody.
 
I'm not excussing McCaskill at all. I even said so in my post. If she or ANY member of Congress for that matter didn't pay their taxes they should be held liable just as the IRS and the legal system would hold any ordinary citizen accountable. All I'm saying is it's interesting that whenever the GOP comes into power or want to advance their righteous persona upon the American conscienceness they always "look for dirt on the other guys" instead of seeking to find such injustices committed by all regardless of party affiliation.

Does that clarify things better for those who purposely misinterpreted my words?
 
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doctorhugo said:
Can you give me an example of when YOU complied with your own advice and posted an outrage against a demonRAT who cheated somehow? If you can't then your lecture to us is an exercise in hypocrisy mister.
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Let's see...

I called out Congressman Ragel for his tax evasion last year.

I thought it was stupid of Congresswoman Pelosi to make the statement concerning the health care bill, "You have to read it to know what's in it." If her comment were, in fact, scolding someone for not reading the bill at that point but said person was making wild accusations concerning same, I would have supported her point of view. But her remark was clearly off the mark considering she very likely didn't know what the bill entailed in its entirety either.

Can't think of any other issues off the top of my head I disagreed with over Democrats other than those two which stick out in my mind at present, but if I think of others I'll get back to you.

Fair enough?
 
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roughdraft274 said:
It seems that as soon as she found out that she owed the money she wrote a check. I understand why people want to make this political but it seems like an oversight that has been corrected with no harm done to anybody.
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It "seems to me" that she wrote a check after the shtf in the media and it got out! "no harm done to anybody"? How about she violated the law, made partial restitution and isn't being prosecuted for violating the law. That "seems to me" like special treatment.

That's why I opined that I'd expect to see a petition of recall for her. She both antagonized the right in her home state by her behavior and embarassed the left there. She even tried making the plane the scapegoat.

“This is the third time in less than two weeks that she’s had to change her story about her private plane, and she only admitted any of her wrongdoing once she got caught by the media,” Rob Jesmer, executive director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said in a statement.
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Read more: McCaskill to pay nearly $300K in back taxes on private plane - KansasCity.com
 
Objective Voice said:
Let's see...

I called out Congressman Ragel for his tax evasion last year.

I thought it was stupid of Congresswoman Pelosi to make the statement concerning the health care bill, "You have to read it to know what's in it." If her comment were, in fact, scolding someone for not reading the bill at that point but said person was making wild accusations concerning same, I would have supported her point of view. But her remark was clearly off the mark considering she very likely didn't know what the bill entailed in its entirety either.

Can't think of any other issues off the top of my head I disagreed with over Democrats other than those two which stick out in my mind at present, but if I think of others I'll get back to you.

Fair enough?
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Fair enough I guess, although the Pelosi thing involved deceit and stupidity not similar to Rangel.

Point being, in this case especially, the offender ...party aside was a loudmouth who lectured everyone and now has turned out to be a big hypocrite. Everyone realizes it so noone should be surprised that those who disagree with her politically would jump all over her case, because she damned well deserves it.
 
doctorhugo said:
made partial restitution and isn't being prosecuted for violating the law. That "seems to me" like special treatment.
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Find me a single person that has been prosecuted for finding out about taxes that they owed and as soon as they found out they paid them. You find me one person that that has happenned to and you have a great point. Til then you're bitching for no reason and really no idea of what you're even mad about besides the letter after her name.
 
Been paying taxes for over 30 years and never missed a beat. There's no excuse for this gal to miss it.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I can't find anywhere that she attacked someone for not paying property tax on a plane.
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the story isn't limited to her deliquent tax bill; it seems she's also been charging the taxpayers expenses for her flying around the country going to political events. that's what she accused the governor of doing.

You're acting like she tried to evade these taxes.
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yup. it's John Kerry parking his boat out of state and Rangel forgetting to pay taxes on his overseas bungalows all over again. does anyone think that anyone else would get a pass for this?

It seems that as soon as she found out that she owed the money she wrote a check.
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given her past problems with "the damn plane", you'll have to excuse me if i suspect that as soon as everyone found out she wrote a check.

I understand why people want to make this political but it seems like an oversight that has been corrected with no harm done to anybody.
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it is political. it is also important; we should not accept hypocrisy and what boils down to attempted theft on part of our political leadership. expect it, perhaps, but not accept it.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Find me a single person that has been prosecuted for finding out about taxes that they owed and as soon as they found out they paid them. You find me one person that that has happenned to and you have a great point. Til then you're bitching for no reason and really no idea of what you're even mad about besides the letter after her name.
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Why should I buy into that distraction? I'm..., make that we're...talking about politicians, also known as 'public servants'. Public servants operate within the realm of the 'public trust' and we have a right, even an obligation, to hold them to a higher standard (regardless of political party). If you didn't see political partisanship around every corner you'd come to realize that is PRECISELY why our system fails to operate properly. We the people have not demanded our politicians set up law to specifically define what acting against the public trust means and establish a severe penalty for such transgressions. So we collectively pay the price for such neglect.

Btw, as an aside, you may want to try and verify your suggestion that Claire McCaskill falls into this group of transgressors:
...as soon as they found out they paid them.
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...what you find may surprise you. You naively assumed that she found out about this at the same time the press did? Puuulease!
 
DontDoIt said:
Just another hypocritic leftist politician.
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Maybe it's time to get the weasels out of the hen house, It’s become apparent that the major political parties either have no interest, no desire or lack the ability to effectively address the problems we are dealing with in America today. In order to address the problems that the majority of Americans are facing today we could form a new political party and we need to do it before we in America are in the streets like the people of the middle east are. If we continue on the path we are on the majority of American people will be living at or below the poverty line. If we have to drift away from the old political ideologies’ which are no longer working then we should do what has to done

Since it appears that businesses have no incentive to return to America maybe the government "we the people" should get involved in the creation of wealth , you know instead of creating wars to ensure the flow of oil to American corporations we could form government corporations to handle the oil from the ground to the pump that way we could lessen the impact on the consumer by controlling prices and put the profits back into the government “we the people” for research and development of alternate energy sources and other technical advances.

There are many business opportunities here in America and many unemployed qualified Americans to fill the employment opportunities that would be generated if "we the people" use our combined federal and state taxes to finance corporations that we would own. Revenues generated by corporations owned by "we the people" would not be used to pay CEOs huge salaries and bonuses, to make multi millionaires and billionaires on wall street, nor would they be used to build the economies of foreign countries or squirreled away in foreign bank accounts. The distribution of monies earned by "we the people" corporations would be more fairly distributed from the CEO to the man/woman who have hands on involvement.

America is on an economic down turn that will not stop until we either address it or our pay scales and standard of living reach the levels of the foreign countries we are competing with

To continue what we are doing only ensures us that our country, our economy and our standard of living will continue on a downward slide until we are right back where we started when the first people stepped foot off of the Mayflower.

We need a new political party which addresses the problems of “we the people” , that is dedicated to protecting our way of life, that puts America and Americans first. We have the ability to organize and force peaceful changes that take care of Americans first. If we the people can not take care of our own people then we can not and should not take care of any other country
 
washunut said:
Now it makes sense why these people want to raise the tax rate. They don't pay the taxes anyway so the rate will not impact them!
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Obama administration motto, "You pay and we don't".
 
ARealConservative said:
factcheck. lol.
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Ron Paul has a lot of good ideas, how ever when any person that is part of any political party lies to effect a political out come, he/she nullifies their right to represent the people who depend on them for the truth

Ron Paul Lies Again - Political Junkies - tribe.net

This wildly inaccurate claim started as an inflated, partisan assertion that 16,500 new IRS employees might be required to administer the new law. That devolved quickly into a claim, made by some Republican lawmakers, that 16,500 IRS "agents" would be required. Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas even claimed in a televised interview that all 16,500 would be carrying guns. None of those claims is true.
 
American said:
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Obama administration motto, "You pay and we don't".
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Do you have a source for this motto you attribute to President Obama? This is not the reality show Survivor our nations economy and future is at stake, stealing and lying should not be character traits that we reward.
 
EarlzP said:
Ron Paul has a lot of good ideas, how ever when any person that is part of any political party lies to effect a political out come, he/she nullifies their right to represent the people who depend on them for the truth

Ron Paul Lies Again - Political Junkies - tribe.net

This wildly inaccurate claim started as an inflated, partisan assertion that 16,500 new IRS employees might be required to administer the new law. That devolved quickly into a claim, made by some Republican lawmakers, that 16,500 IRS "agents" would be required. Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas even claimed in a televised interview that all 16,500 would be carrying guns. None of those claims is true.
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you can continue posting about Ron Paul all you want but I don't see what it has to do with the thread subject, which is of a politician not paying taxes

As a joke, I linked to a politician willfully returning tax money, and given it was from a press release from today, I thought it was a timely and humourous diversion from the subject at hand

what your doing though...I'm actually not sure what your doing? seems wildly out of place, and old news.
 
ARealConservative said:
you can continue posting about Ron Paul all you want but I don't see what it has to do with the thread subject, which is of a politician not paying taxes

As a joke, I linked to a politician willfully returning tax money, and given it was from a press release from today, I thought it was a timely and humourous diversion from the subject at hand

what your doing though...I'm actually not sure what your doing? seems wildly out of place, and old news.
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Did you post the link "a breath of fresh air"? So let me see it was okay for you to take the thread off topic because it was humorous, then I just posted the Ron Paul fact check links because I thought it was humorous. I don't find the future of our country to be a humorous subject, whether a politician is stealing from us by not paying their taxes or stealing from us by lying, fabricating information or misrepresenting facts in my opinion should not be a character trait that we reward with our votes. We are responsible for the poor character traits that we tolerate from those we elect to represent us. If you don't feel that those we elect to office, that those that we intrust the future of our country to should be expected to be honest then you are contributing to the apparent mind set of our elected representatives who think they don't owe us the truth.
 
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