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Palin Doctrine Emerges as Arab League Echoes Her Demarche on Libya

no, but Britons definitely benefited from the Thatcher administration, which is likely whey they kept her as long as they did.

Duration is no indicator of success. Do a survey and you'll find that the peacetime government most Brits deem to have been most successful was that of Clement Atlee that lasted just 5 years but which introduced the NHS, welfare state, comprehensive education to 16, dismantled the empire and reconstructed the nation after the war. Compare all that with what Thatcher achieved in 11 years and with the backing of the billions brought into the national purse by North Sea oil. She squandered that money, destroyed British manufacturing industry - something that even Conservatives today bemoan - and sold off the nation's infrastructure and utilities to her carpet-bagging friends in big business.

Now, what do you, from all the way over the other side of the world, think the British people benefitted from Thatcher? Were you even born when she came to power?
 
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:roll: Except, you know, Palin was only parroting it.
Link for the proof of this please? You can assume, but you do not know, nor do I. What we do know is she was ahead of the curve with a couple other folks.
What we also know is Obama is following Palin's lead of several weeks ago. First he keeps all Bush43's infrastructure in place to keep America safe, then he follows Palin. Libs must be in a full fledged tizzy.

The 'Palin Doctrine':
Obama follows Mama Grizzly to war in Libya

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...o-war-in-libya

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The 'Palin Doctrine':
Obama follows Mama Grizzly to war in Libya

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...o-war-in-libya

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You're link doesn't work. But you shouldn't need a source to tell you that the idea of a No fly zone is something which goes all the way back to the end of the Gulf War at the very earliest.

Also you should look up the word doctrine a doctrine is a plan its a set way of doing things which will produce a certain result, hopefully. Its more than a simple statement like "we should do a no fly zone" its what comes before that, how each step is achieved in detail and where to go from there.

Here's an example of doctrine FM 7-8 Table of Contents and thats just a small piece of what there is to offer and its hundreds of pages long.
 
The 'Palin Doctrine':
Obama follows Mama Grizzly to war in Libya

The 'Palin Doctrine': Obama follows Mama Grizzly to war in Libya - The Hill's Pundits Blog

Now the link should work.


You're link doesn't work. But you shouldn't need a source to tell you that the idea of a No fly zone is something which goes all the way back to the end of the Gulf War at the very earliest.
I recall it very well. Our planes were getting shot at regularly. That should have ended Saddam's reign there and then. But not with Clinton at the helm. he was too worried about his legacy.

Also you should look up the word doctrine a doctrine is a plan its a set way of doing things which will produce a certain result, hopefully. Its more than a simple statement like "we should do a no fly zone" its what comes before that, how each step is achieved in detail and where to go from there.
ROTFLOL... tell it to The Hill...
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The 'Palin Doctrine':
Obama follows Mama Grizzly to war in Libya

The 'Palin Doctrine': Obama follows Mama Grizzly to war in Libya - The Hill's Pundits Blog

Now the link should work.


I recall it very well. Our planes were getting shot at regularly. That should have ended Saddam's reign there and then. But not with Clinton at the helm. he was too worried about his legacy.

ROTFLOL... tell it to The Hill...
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Ok you didn't respond to anything I said with any of substance. Answer this,
How is this a "new doctrine" if the idea of a no fly zone has been around for so much longer?
Why does it matter who's first at something anyway?
How is this a doctrine?
 
Ok you didn't respond to anything I said with any of substance.
Once again, I dismiss your premise. You may not like the answer.. but respond I did. Clinton let Saddam continually shoot at our planes in the NFZ.

Answer this,
How is this a "new doctrine" if the idea of a no fly zone has been around for so much longer?
It does not have to be new to be a doctrine. It can be a doctrine for a specific event. I guess that would make it new because the event did not happen before, but just because NFZ's have been around before doesn't discount the creation of a doctrine to a specific situation. The military is full of them.

I didn't say Palin was first, I said she was ahead of the curve. Here is my OP:
She's ahead of the curve again, and people have the gall to claim she's stupid. If that's the case, what is Obama? Is he really, really stupid, or does he simply lack a pair of testicles. In the words of The Rag'in Cajun... perhaps Hillary can loan Obama one of hers.

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Once again, I dismiss your premise. You may not like the answer.. but respond I did. Clinton let Saddam continually shoot at our planes in the NFZ.
We aren't talking about that why even bring it up? But if you insist, can you source it?
It does not have to be new to be a doctrine. It can be a doctrine for a specific event. I guess that would make it new because the event did not happen before, but just because NFZ's have been around before doesn't discount the creation of a doctrine to a specific situation. The military is full of them.
You said its not new but you called it the creation of a doctrine, which is it? How can the NFZ idea be around for a long time, but also just have been created? I think what you are trying to say is that she's ahead of the curve on choosing to use this already existing doctrine. Which would mean she didn't develop the doctrine herself but was smart enough to understand that it should be used before others came to a similar conculsion, is that correct?

I didn't say Palin was first, I said she was ahead of the curve. Here is my OP:

Hey when you're right you're right, she seems to have been one of the first to call for a NFZ. But I still don't see why I should care, being first doesn't mean anything in itself.
And like what was pointed out on the first page, she wasn't the absolute first
On Libya we can't let ourselves be scarred by Iraq | Ian Birrell | Comment is free | The Guardian
Libya no-fly zone call by France fails to get David Cameron's backing | World news | The Guardian
 
Just dies laughing …... he sat next to Laura Bush at a SotU. And yes, after Chalabi's treachery became undeniable, GWB said he "may have met" Chalabi.

And you point this out for what reason? Gee.... and Obama didn't hear any of the anti American preaching while attending the reverend Whites church for 20 years either.
The reason I brought up Chalabi is because he was mentioned by name in the article linked to in the OP. The OP went so far as to choose that section of the article to quote.
I brought up Chalabi's treachery and shortcomings to show that having Chalabi endorse an idea isn't always such a good thing.

I am sure that your point about Rev Wright is just as relevant to this thread in his own way even though I cannot see the connection at the moment.
 
We aren't talking about that why even bring it up? But if you insist, can you source it?
That was common knowledge I believed, and thought you would have zero problems googl'in it... but if you insist:
American and British aircraft continuously maintained the integrity of the NFZ, receiving anti-aircraft fire from Iraqi forces almost daily...

In the aftermath of Operation Desert Fox during December 1998, Iraq announced it would no longer respect the no-fly zones and resumed its efforts in shooting down Allied aircraft. Saddam Hussein offered a $14,000 reward to anyone who could accomplish this task, but no manned aircraft were ever shot down by Iraq.

Iraqi no-fly zones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That should have spelled the end of Saddam. Clinton had no testicles.

You said its not new but you called it the creation of a doctrine, which is it?
You can apply a tactic or series of tactics, and call it a doctrine for that situation.

How can the NFZ idea be around for a long time, but also just have been created? I think what you are trying to say is that she's ahead of the curve on choosing to use this already existing doctrine. Which would mean she didn't develop the doctrine herself but was smart enough to understand that it should be used before others came to a similar conculsion, is that correct?
She was ahead of the curve for calling for stated action.

Putting it in red doesn't make it truer.

And, like I said, something her handlers told her to say can't really be considered a 'doctrine'.

She still can't find Libya on a map.

Wiseone: See what I mean about engaging in fact laden debate? It's like pissing in the wind most of the time with the left.

What is interesting is to watch the Left suffer from The Bends, from Political Pretzilitis, and Hypocritus Maximus. JetBoogieMan took the hammer and rand the 3km high carnival bell on that one... Ding... and he scored the Grand Prize.

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from Zimmer on Palin

She was ahead of the curve for calling for stated action.


So what? Why is this important?
 
from Zimmer on Palin




So what? Why is this important?

ROTFLOL... you really have to ask? Because Obama is such a braniac, and Palin is such a dimwit in the eyes of people like you. Go back and read what Obama said about war, foreign policy, Gitmo. It seems like Mickey Mouse, Cinderella, and Wiley Coyote from WB had been his advisors. It fails the sober and mature test. Beyond that he's been awful during crisis, and we now have two that you can compare apples and apples where Obama shot his mouth off; The Gulf Spill and Libya/ME.

And you do recall how Obama touted his "superior judgment" and shat upon Bush for having none? Man he looks the idiot now, doesn't he?

Palin? I think it's obvious where she stands, and if it isn't she'll tell you soon enough.

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ROTFLOL... you really have to ask? Because Obama is such a braniac, and Palin is such a dimwit in the eyes of people like you. Go back and read what Obama said about war, foreign policy, Gitmo. It seems like Mickey Mouse, Cinderella, and Wiley Coyote from WB had been his advisors. It fails the sober and mature test. Beyond that he's been awful during crisis, and we now have two that you can compare apples and apples where Obama shot his mouth off; The Gulf Spill and Libya/ME.

And you do recall how Obama touted his "superior judgment" and shat upon Bush for having none? Man he looks the idiot now, doesn't he?

Palin? I think it's obvious where she stands, and if it isn't she'll tell you soon enough.

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How does Sarah Palin - or anyone for that matter - saying something weeks ago prove or disprove anything about her overall intelligence and knowledge of the times she lives in?
 
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In my mind, the President of the US is... the President of the United States...

The United States is not the equivalent of the free world. It was not the first democracy in the world. It is not the biggest democracy in the world.

Talk about superiority complex.

I'm guessing in your mind, Britain is an 'imprisoned world'...?

Where is there more freedom than in the USA? I'll wait for an answer before I start packing.
 
Where is there more freedom than in the USA? I'll wait for an answer before I start packing.

Funny, the ancient Empire of Rome had more freedoms than we did at this point in time and they were in fact a Democracy please go learn something about history.

As a matter of fact in my own opinion we have lost a lot of our freedoms thanks to the Patriot Act. Also the fact that Bush Jr. had so much detain for our constitution that he investigated people that were against him Ala the Quakers and other groups that were against war. Funny, and NO I will not forgive the Republican party for people that were down right stomping on the constitution and my rights to freedom of expression, and the freedoms we all hold dear.
 
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Once again, to put this so-called "Palin Doctrine" in perspective, as a CIVILIAN, Sarah Palin has the freedom to say anything she wants. Doesn't mean she had this brilliant idea before anyone else; it just means that as a CIVILIAN, she can afford to say such things publically WITHOUT any political backlash.

I think Zimmer and folks who truly believe that Palin was so far 'ahead of the curve" should really take that into consideration before labeling her "the smartest woman outside the room".
 
Funny, the ancient Empire of Rome had more freedoms than we did
ROTFLOL... I didn't know you were that old, nor did I realize slavery was a cornerstone of freedom!

As a matter of fact in my own opinion we have lost a lot of our freedoms thanks to the Patriot Act.
I do declare... they sure did get some very good look-a-likes of Sens. Leahy, Reid and Dodd. And Jeeezuz... I've never seen Reid smile before or after this photo. You do realize Dems voted for the PA, don't you?
bush_signs_usa_patriot_act.jpg


Also the fact that Bush Jr. had so much detain for our constitution that he investigated people that were against him Ala the Quakers and other groups that were against war.
Bush "targeted" Quakers? No... and LINK.

Funny, and NO I will not forgive the Republican party for people that were down right stomping on the constitution and my rights to freedom of expression, and the freedoms we all hold dear.
ROTFLOL... Really? Which Hitler sign weren't you permitted to wave? Instead of hot air, how about an example or two of your restricted rights?

Wiseone: Another "Unreachable".

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Once again, to put this so-called "Palin Doctrine" in perspective, as a CIVILIAN, Sarah Palin has the freedom to say anything she wants. Doesn't mean she had this brilliant idea before anyone else; it just means that as a CIVILIAN, she can afford to say such things publically WITHOUT any political backlash.

I think Zimmer and folks who truly believe that Palin was so far 'ahead of the curve" should really take that into consideration before labeling her "the smartest woman outside the room".
Too bad you folks didn't take this precise advice before going gaga over an inexperienced in life, commerce, and executive skills but fine telepromteur reading Marxist Community Agitator.

Difference is she was ahead of the curve... and are you implying Obama is a pure political animal that looks at his own skin first before doing what is right for the nation? It sounds like it, and he behaves like it too. Thanks for revealing the truth about your agitator.

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I'm sure Palin came up with the idea all by herself... :roll:. Like a pop star, her songs are probably written for her.

It’s an inaction that suggests the Arab League won’t be the only institution that might find itself surprised by the logic of the alert Alaskan.

I'm sure they're watching her closely. Wow. lol.
 
Zimmer - you keep avoiding the major question here: how does one position of Palin mean anything special or important?

Why is this such a big thing to you?

Palin has taken many many positions on many many issues both large and small, both important and insignificant over the last few years and people make up their mind about her based on all that they see. Why do you think this one single position is so darn important?
 
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Where is there more freedom than in the USA? I'll wait for an answer before I start packing.

The Netherlands used to be. I think they've closed down their boarders somewhat.
 
Where is there more freedom than in the USA? I'll wait for an answer before I start packing.

That is such a silly question and I hope doesn't mean you don't understand the basic differences that exist between countries and how impossible it would be to decide which countries are "more free" in general, especially in western democracies. For example in the Netherlands you have more freedom in terms of personal consumption of drugs and products which in the US would be seriously illegal, but in other areas they have less freedom. Or for example Somalia has no government and therefore is technically "most free" because it has no laws whatsoever, of course the lack of laws is actually hampering freedom because instead of gov't law people are ruled by gang and warlord laws. Or for example economic freedom, relating to the ease of starting a new business, taxes, work environment, wages, gov't spending, trade relations, etc
Country rankings for trade, business, fiscal, monetary, financial, labor and investment freedoms
Take a look at that website, now you may be pissed to find the US in 9th place for economic freedom but the website's reasoning actually follow into your political arguments. For example it rates US fiscal freedom at a 68.3 because:
U.S. tax rates are burdensome. The top income and corporate tax rates are 35 percent. Other taxes include an estate tax and excise taxes. Additional income, sales, and property taxes are assessed at the state and local levels. In the most recent year, overall tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was 26.9 percent. Should authorities choose not to extend tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003, the tax rate on the top individual income bracket will jump to 39.6 percent beginning in 2011, and the top capital gains tax rate will increase from 15 percent to 20 percent
And there is an expanded explanation if you care to look, and it has a similar argument to yours about gov't spending.

Now I know as a cheerleader, not that there's anything wrong with that from time to from, you like to believe the world is so simple as to allow a statement like "We are the most free" to actually have meaning, but frankly it doesn't.
 
Zimmer please learn something about history and also I am someone who is studying history as a matter of fact.

Also about the Quakers being investigated ala here is my link to prove my thoughts. But you'll just come up with the idea but I thought he didn't um wrong here is information from Democracy Know


Sorry about getting off topic, but I had to post about Bush Jr with partisans politics because this is what this whole thread is about. Plain did NOT I repeat suggest this first and it should be called the Plain doctrine this has been proven by others in this thread.
 
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