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Palin Doctrine Emerges as Arab League Echoes Her Demarche on Libya

Simon W. Moon said:
Yes, Chalabi is a con man who bilked the US tax payers out of hundreds of millions of dollars and then ran away to Iran when the US came for him. Yes, Chalabi's head of security, Aras Karim Habib, was member of the Iranian intelligence services. Yes, the CIA and teh DIA warned the GWB Admin about him and his crew. Yes the CIA cut off Chalabis funding only to see it renewed by the GWB Admin. Yes, Chalabi was involved in the transfer of the information to Iran that the US had broken one of Iran's codes. And Yes, he sat next to Laura Bush at a SotU. And yes, after Chalabi's treachery became undeniable, GWB said he "may have met" Chalabi.

Being associated with Chalabi isn't the best of things for a politico, imvho.
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Just dies laughing …... he sat next to Laura Bush at a SotU. And yes, after Chalabi's treachery became undeniable, GWB said he "may have met" Chalabi.

And you point this out for what reason? Gee.... and Obama didn't hear any of the anti American preaching while attending the reverend Whites church for 20 years either.
 
Michael418 said:
Two things:
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And a few more things.

- People have been talking about the no-fly zone for many weeks now. Palin is not ahead of the curve on this.
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Palin was ahead of the curve on this many weeks back, as the author of the article noted.

Not to mention that I have a sinking feeling that, if a conservative were in power, liberals would be screaming for a "no-fly zone" and conservatives would be defending the isolationist option.
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Buchanen is not president, nor will he be. Try again.

We really, really don't need yet another war in the middle east.
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You forgot to place "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh..." in front of that last one. It should read as follows to get the Full Lib Effect

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh... We really, really don't need yet another war in the middle east.
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That's more like it.

We don't need wars period, but sometimes it is necessary, for the worst thing that can be done is for men to do nothing in the face of evil. Had the Brits listened to Churchill in the early 1930's we might have averted WWII. Closing off airspace doesn't take that much foresight, this was a mental layup or even easier a slamdunk but Obama once again dropped the ball... perhaps he did not want to be seen following Palin?

Churchill who you say? Missed that day of school? No I won't tell you who Churchill is. Google it yerself.

President Obama's inaction is the right thing to do here (although I'd prefer a more manly Washington-esque admonition to stop trying to get involved in other countries' business every time **** goes down overseas).
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Of course it is, and if you haven't noticed the world has changed dramatically since the days of Washington. Washington had Horse Carriage 1 at his disposal, and WMD was found in the outhouse. For better or worse, we are the Fire Dept. when it comes to matters like this. We have the moral authority and the ability to back it up. Nobody else has that you see... not even combining their forces. For example, the EU couldn't deal with the Balkans mess without our intervention, and that was within spitting distance for them.

We're barely able to keep our own government running,
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Isn't socialism fantastic? In a few short decades the Libs have managed to break the national credit card with all their hairbrained Eurosocialist Ponzi schemes.

we don't need to be shooting down other countries' planes and starting a war with another bat**** dictator.
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Pick your answer to the above:
1. No we don't, but it's fun.
2. Don't speak about Obama's friends friends like that.
3. Don't speak about Obama's mentor's friends like that.
4. They had planes.
5. Sometimes you have to do somethings you do not like.
6. Isn't it great we got all his nuke gear out of there during Gulf War II?
7. Who said it will result in war? Perhaps a civil war/rebellion?
8. What? You don't believe in Viva la Revolucion anymore?

Personally, I like #5, with the runner up prizes going to 2 and 3.

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spud_meister said:
No, we've all decided she was with the curve, certainly not before it, I think this post of mine more-or-less proved that.
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Didn't you see the sign? "Warning: Don't Feed the Trolls"
 
spud_meister said:
No, we've all decided she was with the curve, certainly not before it, I think this post of mine more-or-less proved that.
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-chuckles- well if she was with the curve, that must mean that Obama was behind it .
 
Please note the editor's correction to your post... bolded.

spud_meister said:
No, we Libs have all decided she was with the curve, certainly not before it, I think this post of mine more-or-less proved that.
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All were ahead of The Curve... were leading... and where was Obama?
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Michael418 said:
That post is reported.
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ROTFLOL... welcome to the show rookie...

1. That's been done before.
2. There is historical precedent for using it.
3. There is a specific reason for using it.

The mods must be getting tired of rookies doing this.

Here is the entire collection for your viewing pleasure:
zimmer's Album: Conservitoons

PS. I'm a conservative but one of my favorite cartoonists is Steve Bell... a hard core leftist and Bush 43 hater. This is one of his cartoons... one of my all-time favorites... just changed the head of The Commander in Chief, altered the toilet paper roll and voila! It's immensely recyclable... like no other toon. Now that I know you like them so, I'll be sure to use the template to create and post more for your viewing pleasure.

The original can be seen here:http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2003/04/04/2bell.jpg

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zimmer said:
Please note the editor's correction to your post... bolded.

All were ahead of The Curve... were leading... and where was Obama?
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You've turned into a real ass lately zimmer, the post before this one was unnecessarily insulting. I remember you once told me you were an "idiot lib" once, and that you believed everything you were told and how you thought you knew better than everyone else despite you not knowing anything then. Basically you were talking about arrogance. Can you step back for a second and see that the only thing which has changed is the political viewpoint you believe in now? The same arrogance is still there.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... welcome to the show rookie...

1. That's been done before.
2. There is historical precedent for using it.
3. There is a specific reason for using it.

The mods must be getting tired of rookies doing this.

Here is the entire collection for your viewing pleasure:
zimmer's Album: Conservitoons

PS. I'm a conservative but one of my favorite cartoonists is Steve Bell... a hard core leftist and Bush 43 hater. This is one of his cartoons... one of my all-time favorites... just changed the head of The Commander in Chief, altered the toilet paper roll and that's it. It's immensely recyclable... like no other toon.

The original can be seen here:

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You're proud of that? Do you really think politics or anything should be debated that way? That two sides should make imaging like that, use that kind of language? People should be more mature than that, much much more mature, that is not what the word "debate" means. Im assuming you would agree that anyone has the right to do it without blame or criticism too? I mean if you can use an image of Obama, or any of the other stuff on that link, like that surely I or anyone else could use the same kind against Bush or Palin or any future or past Republican figure? Is that really what you want politics to be? How is that productive at all? How does that kind of stuff contribute to anything other than someone's ego?
 
Wiseone said:
You've turned into a real ass lately zimmer, the post before this one was unnecessarily insulting. I remember you once told me you were an "idiot lib" once... Basically you were talking about arrogance. Can you step back for a second and see that the only thing which has changed is the political viewpoint you believe in now? The same arrogance is still there.
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If that's your opinion... OK. Me and Obama... according to you we have one thing in common... arrogance.

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You're proud of that?
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ROTFLOL... you sound like a school teacher. Are you one?


Do you really think politics or anything should be debated that way?
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Sometimes yes.

That two sides should make imaging like that, use that kind of language?
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I found that cartoon absolutely hilarious when Bell produced it, and he was skewering a guy who's foreign policy I believed was on the money. I think the cartoon is still hilarious, and is a great vehicle to poke the same kind of crap back at the other side. I would have used it regardless of which Dem was elected... I was expecting to have Hillary's head on there. Might have changed the suit to a pantsuit with a flap in the back.

People should be more mature than that, much much more mature, that is not what the word "debate" means.
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Steve Bell has made a fine living from being immature I guess. The Guardian must be an immature lot too. Perhaps they are. I don't think Bell is; the remainder I can't speak for as I don't know them.

If you believe Libs here engage in honest debate... think again. It's another reason I left the left. I learned it was one lie stacked upon another. I have little tolerance for liars, and skewering them and their idiotic leadership is part of debate and debating. Not that Obama would ever sink to the level of demeaning his opposition. No... he would never do that.

Im assuming you would agree that anyone has the right to do it without blame or criticism too? I mean if you can use an image of Obama, or any of the other stuff on that link, like that surely I or anyone else could use the same kind against Bush or Palin or any future or past Republican figure?
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SURE and ABSOLUTELY!!! Though nothing comes without blame or criticism... that's life! And check out Bell's toons. He made a fine living skewering Bush43. His Bush era stuff is priceless... and Ramirez is another master of his craft.

Is that really what you want politics to be?
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You have got to be joking. We have a President that bribed to pass ObamaKare, called a Cop a racist, hires tax cheats, refers to its citizens as "bitter clingers" and "tea baggers"... and you think this is the lower reaches of political discourse? Puh-lease. Interesting you hold a poster on DP to far higher standards than POTUS.


How is that productive at all?
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It's funny... it was funny when Bell skewered Bush, and it's funny and more fitting because Obama is literally up to his neck in it. Not everyone will laugh, and some might even be offended. C'est la vie.

Here is productive debate... just in the nick of time a Lib comes through with deep insight that is both hilarious and original to boot!
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That's still three times as much brain power as Palin uses.
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Phew... now that is hard stuff to debate, to top, and really gets to the heart of the matter, but I'm sure the Libs are doing their collective head-bob and having a few guffaws at the penetrating humor just delivered.

How does that kind of stuff contribute to anything other than someone's ego?
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It skewers The One, it juxtaposes Mr. Brilliant with the Crap-o-matic governance he's blessed us with. That's the contribution. I understand Libs won't like it, and that's part of the fun too. You see, I enjoy having fun... another reason for leaving the brain dead, uptight, overwrought Left.

I was going to post this one first, but wasn't sure it hit on all the cylinders of this thread; the other had done precisely that, much to your dismay I have come to understand.

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The mods can deal with it as they see fit. I did my part.
 
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zimmer said:
She's ahead of the curve again, and people have the gall to claim she's stupid. If that's the case, what is Obama? Is he really, really stupid, or does he simply lack a pair of testicles. In the words of The Rag'in Cajun... perhaps Hillary can loan Obama one of hers.

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Can something Bill Kristol told her to say really be called a 'doctrine'??

She still can't find Libya on a map.
 
hazlnut said:
Can something Bill Kristol told her to say really be called a 'doctrine'??

She still can't find Libya on a map.
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LOL... I see you are a subscriber to the AOL/Huffington Post and have taken time from your busy schedule to unsheath your mighty wit. I am sure you have proof for both claims?

Wiseone: See what I mean?

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Comparing the dates from the article linked in the OP and this article from Newsvine dated March 2, 2011, it would appear Palin's mention of a no-fly zone was made (domestically atleast) approximately one-week before SoS Clinton or SecDef Gates mentioned it during an interview with British journalist abroad.

While March 2nd is the earliest evidence I've found suggesting that the Obama Administration had been considering a no-fly zone for some time, admittedly I could find no evidence to suggest it was talked about publically before February 23rd, the date of Sarah Palin's interview with Sean Hannity. However, that doesn't mean that the Obama Administration didn't have this strategy on the table beforehand. It just means they didn't go public about it before Palin did. Nonetheless, since I couldn't find any evidence to suggest the Obama Administration had discussed the matter publically before Palin, I'm willing to concede she discussed it publically first. Doesn't mean she was smarter than the Joint Chiefs, just means as a civilian she has the liberty of discussing issues of military strategy whereas the President can't go about tipping his hand as she can.

Moreover, as we now know, a UN resolution for a no-fly zone was passed 10-0 w/5 abstaning, AND among those member nations who voted in favor of same included members of the Arab League. So, even if Sarah Palin had mentioned a no-fly zone first, it would appear that her recommendation was a U.S. led-only no-fly zone which certainly wouldn't have been nearly as effective militarily nor politically as part of our foreign policy agenda as a unilateral coalition of U.N. forces surely will be.
 
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The Barbarian said:
Just dies laughing …... he sat next to Laura Bush at a SotU. And yes, after Chalabi's treachery became undeniable, GWB said he "may have met" Chalabi.

And you point this out for what reason? Gee.... and Obama didn't hear any of the anti American preaching while attending the reverend Whites church for 20 years either.
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I really don't see how you or anyone else can compare then Sen. Obama's 20 yr relationship/church membership w/Rev. Wright to GW Bush paying a man several million dollars for falty intelligence that pulled this country into a false war. Surely, you're not attempting to make such a corrollation.
 
zimmer said:
LOL... I see you are a subscriber to the AOL/Huffington Post and have taken time from your busy schedule to unsheath your mighty wit. I am sure you have proof for both claims?

Wiseone: See what I mean?

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Ya I do. Except I have the capacity to hold to my own values and not let someone else's actions govern them. If I believe that maturity is an important part of any productive political process, or if I believe I want to beat my opponents through the use of undeniable facts or reasonable arguments which both explain my position and specifically what I have wrong with my opponent's position, and I may even suggest a compromise, if I believe that I have the guts and ability to stick to it even if my opponent wants to use a poop joke. I won't use my opponent's actions as justification for anything and will never use the excuse that "if they aren't going to be mature, then I don't have to." Bull****, there's nothing stopping you from being mature regardless of what the other guy is doing other than you're own fortitude and ability to take a little crap and bad wit without it bruising your ego.

Also I wasn't comparing you to Obama, I was comparing you to yourself, I'd bet my bottom dollar that liberal zimmer was just as much of an arrogant egotistical ass as conservative one is.
 
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Ya I do. Except I have the capacity to hold to my own values and not let someone else's actions govern them.
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As do I. We prefer to handle our matters differently, that's all.

If I believe that maturity is an important part of any productive political process, or if I believe I want to beat my opponents through the use of undeniable facts or reasonable arguments which both explain my position and specifically what I have wrong with my opponent's position,
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You have faith this will work. I don't. The evidence is all around you. For example... how thick does one have to be to realize there wasn't much option left for Bush43 concerning Iraq. 12-years and 16 useless UN resolutions left the scab open, and our security in the balance. Everyone of our allies believed he had WMD. Blix believed it. Kay believed it. And to juxtapose our lack of knowledge there about the state of his WMD (something the UN was supposed to know all about) with their neighbor, that was as big a surprise in the other direction; we learned Iran had an 18-year nuke program. Bush gave the tyrant a last chance and he failed to take it. If the fools repeating their weary lines ever took the time to read Hans Blix's statements, David Kay's statements, Hillary Clintons' Code Pink meeting and Woodward's book... just look at the first three, forget the book, anyone with half a brain would start singing a different tune. But no. Their political leadership is poison and treasonous for voting to send troops to war and then stabbing them in the back when they needed their support the most. Sending troops to war and then back stabbing them for political expedience is low, disgusting, treasonous and reflective of the opposition we have to deal with.
This is their leadership. Their foot soldiers are just as vile.

I try reason, but I also try other tactics. I believe in attacking from all sides, and using all available options.

and I may even suggest a compromise
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I am not for compromise, I am for winning. We've compromised enough. 13,000,000,000,000 in debt, a poor school system, expanding government... no, no, no... no compromise here. I want truth and success... period. The greatest good for the greatest number.

You see, I am open minded and am willing to change if the evidence points to something working better. It's how I made the transition from Commi Lib to Conservative. Unfortunately the book link at the bottom of the page (another tactic) reflects the problem... I wonder how many Libs sucked up enough courage to read the free book to see if they and their closed mindedness were the problem ? My bet... a goose egg. It would destroy their world.

if I believe that I have the guts and ability to stick to it even if my opponent wants to use a poop joke. I won't use my opponent's actions as justification for anything and will never use the excuse that "if they aren't going to be mature, then I don't have to."
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You're claiming Steve Bell's toons are immature... I find them funny as hell and using one of his is an effective way to ridicule the opposition. Ridicule elicits responses not usually forthcoming.

Bull****, there's nothing stopping you from being mature regardless of what the other guy is doing other than you're own fortitude and ability to take a little crap and bad wit without it bruising your ego.
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Again, I do not accept the premise of your argument which is found in the first line and begins with the letter "m".

Also I wasn't comparing you to Obama, I was comparing you to yourself, I'd bet my bottom dollar that liberal zimmer was just as much of an arrogant egotistical ass as conservative one is.
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I know who you were comparing me to... but I thought I would throw in something I now have in common (from your eyes and perhaps many Libs I've managed to irritate along the way) with The One, The One We Have Been Waiting for, The One the Egyptians, Libyans, and French Have Been Waiting For. The Messiah. The Arrogant One.

Ready for another toon?

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Let me put it another way, since winning is so important, you aren't going to convince anyone of anything by mocking them. People don't respond well to that kind of treatment, I've told you this before and you basically said well they deserve it. But regardless of that you aren't convincing anyone, which is what you need to "win" you need more people to support Republicans or Palin or whatever. Mockery won't do it, so you have to choose are you going to continue mocking people because it feels good when you do, and don't deny you don't love the feeling, or are you going to stop being mocking people is unproductive towards your own stated goal?

For example you mock me by asking "Ready for another toon?" you know I hate those things yet you still want to do it. Why? I'm assuming because it makes you feel good, but since you said winning was your goal you're actually driving me away from listening to any argument you make. I'm less and less willing to continue this conversation the longer it goes on, which means you have less and less of a chance to convince me of anything. Do you want to "win" or do you want to just insult people because it strokes you're ego?
 
zimmer said:
LOL... I see you are a subscriber to the AOL/Huffington Post and have taken time from your busy schedule to unsheath your mighty wit. I am sure you have proof for both claims?

Wiseone: See what I mean?

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Your thread tanked when you started posting racist cartoons.
 
Wiseone said:
The government is our benefactor thats a new one from you.
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no, but Britons definitely benefited from the Thatcher administration, which is likely whey they kept her as long as they did.
 
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