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Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems say

Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

Yeah, not usually. It is always interesting that if one wants to reduce the budget, you have to target someone's money. However, once you obviously target someone's money, it's going to be a tough fight.

He's targetting the exact money that is threatening to bankrupt the state.
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

He's targetting the exact money that is threatening to bankrupt the state.

He is targeting the unions in a power struggle, and using the budget imbalance as an excuse.
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

First link brought me to a blank wiki page that says "There is currently no text in this page.".

Second link was facebook...ewww.

Third link...wouldn't doubt if it was true. Not saying it is...just wouldn't doubt it.

Sorry about the first link, let's try this: http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Recall_of_Wisconsin_State_Senators_(2011)

The second link is not facebook...it just has a link to post to Facebook if you wish.
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

He is targeting the unions in a power struggle, and using the budget imbalance as an excuse.

And God bless him.

He understands that unions have been the primary reason for our nation's economic decline and the need to send jobs overseas.

I work with unions. They're impossible.
 
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Very reveaking comments by you, PB. Can you show me proof that 'the people' didn't support Walker? The vote tally would tend to disagree with your lie, er, misrepresentation.
My comments were based upon the contributions given to the candidates, but you already knew that. I think we will see who gets the most votes after January (Walker's one year in office) next year. Walker never campaigned on the issue of eliminating collective bargaining by the public unions. I think I know why.
 
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Right, very revealing, taxpayers funding union employees spending some of the state's tax dollars on political operatives that support the union agenda. you don't have a problem with that? You do understand that private sector employees don't get taxpayer funding and are employed by those hated businesses?
Strawman alert, strawman alert!!!!!!
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

Very revealing that 8 of the 10 top donors were from Unions for Barrett. One Union by itself gave twice as much as the 43,000 given by Koch to Walker.
Yeah, and Walker talked for 20 minutes on the phone with a person he thought was David Koch.
 
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Yeah, and Walker talked for 20 minutes on the phone with a person he thought was David Koch.

You know what that proves don't you? He doesn't know David Kock well enough to recognize his voice :D
 
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as usual, you speak of things you know nothing about...

Wisconsin voters split on governor's union plan: poll | Reuters
Wisconsin voters are split evenly in their views of Republican Walker's proposal and of the protesters demonstrating against his plans, said the poll sponsored by WisconsinReporter.com, a news organization operated by the nonprofit Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity based in Alexandria, Virginia.

Half of the 500 people polled had a favorable view of Walker's proposal, and half had an unfavorable view, it found.

(Reuters) - A majority of Wisconsin voters think Gov. Scott Walker's bid to make public sector union members pay more for benefits is fair but also believe those workers should have collective bargaining rights, according to a poll released on Thursday.

:failpail: :lamo
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

(Reuters) - A majority of Wisconsin voters think Gov. Scott Walker's bid to make public sector union members pay more for benefits is fair but also believe those workers should have collective bargaining rights, according to a poll released on Thursday.

:failpail: :lamo

and a majority of Wisconsin voters is correct. I wonder if they will stick with their recall efforts? Let's hope so.
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

(Reuters) - A majority of Wisconsin voters think Gov. Scott Walker's bid to make public sector union members pay more for benefits is fair but also believe those workers should have collective bargaining rights, according to a poll released on Thursday.

:failpail: :lamo

They have collective bargaining rights better than Federal Workers. Still not enough for the union thugs!
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

Democrats were in charge the past eight years in Wisconsin. Governor Walker is trying to fix it.

Yeah... it's like dealing with irrational children. They screw up, screw up again, screw up again... and when it is time to fix the screw ups they yell and scream, even though they and their buddies are covered head to toe in the screw ups. They see it, but they just can't stand not being able to do more of the same.

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He campaigned on reducing the budget. So yeah. Though there are some people that try to claim he didn't because he didn't state it exactly. What politician EVER states exactly what they are going to do?

This is undeniably true. During the campaign President Obama spoke a ton of words, but rarely said anything, yet he won.

It really does come down to height and hair.
 
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You know what that proves don't you? He doesn't know David Kock well enough to recognize his voice :D

Kock?? that's a great name. :lamo

So What? He has a bother and many top executives who work with him. The phone call showed that he thought about sending in trouble makers and he liked the idea of Koch rewarding him with vacation. I can't wait to watch those political ads before the recall election.
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

as usual, you speak of things you know nothing about...

Wisconsin voters split on governor's union plan: poll | Reuters
Wisconsin voters are split evenly in their views of Republican Walker's proposal and of the protesters demonstrating against his plans, said the poll sponsored by WisconsinReporter.com, a news organization operated by the nonprofit Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity based in Alexandria, Virginia.

Half of the 500 people polled had a favorable view of Walker's proposal, and half had an unfavorable view, it found.
You're picking one poll out of a vacuum. The vast majority of the polls have it about 65-35% split.
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

He's targetting the exact money that is threatening to bankrupt the state.

You have bought into the GOP war on the middle class. It is not the public workers that are causing the economic woes of this country...it is the corporate welfare and other handouts to the corporations that is bankrupting us.
 
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I don't like the fact that he didn't campaign on what he did, and his attitude was, "I was elected, so I WILL DO WHATEVER THE F**k I WANT!"

It's just bad in principle... he didn't even try to hear the people, and I think elected officials should never forget who put them in power. If every clown we elected pulled what Walker did, there would be absolutely no trust between the people and the government and for that I want to see him thrown out. I would also like to see him address his actions to the voters and sell his budget to the people, but I don't see that happening... He is kind avoiding the issue at this point.

As a dictator the Governor can do anything he wants, even throw out the recall votes, so in the end, the only way to stop him, and the other would be dictators, is with US troops.

ricksfolly
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

You have bought into the GOP war on the middle class. It is not the public workers that are causing the economic woes of this country...it is the corporate welfare and other handouts to the corporations that is bankrupting us.

What exactly do those evil corporations do with that corporate welfare and other handouts you are so concerned about? I really suggest worrying more about your own state problems than other state problems and supporting the union thugs.
 
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As a dictator the Governor can do anything he wants, even throw out the recall votes, so in the end, the only way to stop him, and the other would be dictators, is with US troops.

ricksfolly

Do you realize how radical you sound? Wow, that is total and complete bs!
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

What exactly do those evil corporations do with that corporate welfare and other handouts you are so concerned about? I really suggest worrying more about your own state problems than other state problems and supporting the union thugs.
Are you in the suggestion business or just being condescending???
 
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Do you realize how radical you sound?

Not near as radical as a cold-blooded governor who uses his power to make up his own rules, completely ignoring fair play, established procedures, and long standing quorum rules.

ricksfolly
 
Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

Not near as radical as a cold-blooded governor who uses his power to make up his own rules, completely ignoring fair play, established procedures, and long standing quorum rules.

ricksfolly

Not only do you sound radical but you also sound very misinformed. What power did the governor use to make up his own rules? It was a bill that the Democrats ran out on. Elections have consequences, isn't that what you said when Obama was elected and implemented his far left agenda?

think it is radical to indoctrinate kids like the union thugs are doing in Wisconsin? Think it is radical to run out on your obligations like the 14 Dems did? Think it is radical to expect union employees to pay for their healthcare and retirement like the rest of the country? Think it is radical for unions to get taxpayer funding? Before using big words like radical suggest you learn what that word means and apply it equally to leftwing policies.
 
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This is probably why bold measures in this country usually fail.

Not knowing Wisconsin politics, I beg an honest question, however. Did Walker campaign on this issue or similar?

If people researched at all, they would have had a pretty good idea about how he planned to govern.

The Untold Story of Scott Walker's Longstanding History with Labor.


In 2002, Milwaukee County elected Scott Walker, the first ever Republican County Executive.

As Executive, Walker’s skirmishes with unions began shortly after he promised he would balance county budgets without raising property taxes. Without counting on these revenue-raising mechanisms, Walker had to lean on the county workforce for program cuts.

In 2003, Detractors accused Walker of ginning up a false fiscal crisis in order to justify slashing budget items. Drumming up false budgetary crises became a perennial charge against Walker, so he didn’t waste opportunities to remind them that unfunded pension liabilities threatened the solvency of their county government.
In 2006, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) – Walker’s nemesis in all budgetary matters - criticized Walker for what they called a “Sky is Falling Tour.” A few months later (ironically), the Greater Milwaukee Committee – a private sector civic organization – released a damaging report recommending a state takeover of Milwaukee County's finances due to their daunting health care and pension costs.
In late 2006, Walker made headlines when he decided to veto the entire counter-budget proposed by the Milwaukee County Board. Walker vetoed it because the County Board had restored 125 jobs that his budget had planned to cut. A verbal battle ensued starting with Walker blaming the County Board for caving in to union pressure. The County Board explained they partially restored those jobs to entice unions to come to the negotiating table. That didn’t work. Rich Abelson, President of AFSCME’s Council 48, was so angered that he promised to start recall campaigns on every County Supervisor that failed to fully fund those positions. Abelson said, “We know who they are, and we won’t forget.”
In 2009, Walker’s battle with Milwaukee’s biggest union resulted in successfully privatizing the County Courthouse’s housekeeping. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel characterized his victory as “half a loaf” since the County Board thwarted Walker’s attempt to privatize the County Courthouse security as well. A few months later, Walker stunned the Board by invoking emergency budget powers in order to privatize those security jobs anyway. His authority was later challenged by AFSCME and reversed by arbitrator Amedeo Greco, who ordered Milwaukee County to rehire the guards they had fired with months of back pay.

At no point during Walker’s eight year tenure did AFSCME recognize the financial impact the pension scandal had upon Milwaukee County. In short, Milwaukee County’s Pension Board - without so much as a cost study on pension benefits - passed ultra-lucrative pension buy-backs to hundreds of employees. Almost in a day, Milwaukee County government found herself mired in a $60 million hole without a viable exit strategy.
Instead of acknowledging the county’s fiscal woes, AFSCME fought Walker every step of the way. Walker took his story to the public explaining that 48% of the county budget was spent on wages and benefits. He also explained that more concessions were necessary to narrow their $10 million budget gap. Ultimately, AFSCME refused to make any concessions prompting Walker to order 22 furlough days for nearly 1,500 county employees. In a rare display of solidarity, the County Board put their firm support behind Walker’s decision in the hope it would prod the county’s largest union to be reasonable. That never happened.
 
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