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GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

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DENISON, Iowa – Republican activists in this key presidential state have a dark, foreboding feeling that America is in decline. They believe the nation is hurtling in the wrong direction and, worse, on the brink of losing its unique place in the world.

That sentiment is hardly new to American politics, but it’s one that’s been reanimated by the presidency of Barack Obama. Some see him as hostile to the notion of American exceptionalism. Others simply don’t believe he’s an American at all.

GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline' - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

Unbelievable! Politico is showing its liberal bent here. I don't know about you, but I do see Obama as hostile to American exceptionalism. But to throw in the "birther" crap is over the top in my mind. What say you? To both questions: Is Obama responsible for American decline? and Is Politico a now hack site for using "birther" nonsense to make its point?

j-mac
 
Obama responsible for American decline?

:lamo

If you think our problems are less than two years in the making, I don't know what to tell you.

edit: Generic "you," not referring to any individual.
 
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Obama responsible for American decline?

:lamo

If you think our problems are less than two years in the making, I don't know what to tell you.

edit: Generic "you," not referring to any individual.


Did you even read the quote, or the article?


j-mac
 
Obama responsible for American decline?

:lamo

If you think our problems are less than two years in the making, I don't know what to tell you.

edit: Generic "you," not referring to any individual.

He tripled our national debt in two years.

You don't find that notable?
 
He tripled our national debt in two years.

You don't find that notable?

No, "he" didn't. The largest pieces of the deficit jump were the economic downturn and the bush administration's tax cuts.

Numerous factors are at play here. Blaming Obama for everything is just nonsense.
 
No, "he" didn't. The largest pieces of the deficit jump were the economic downturn and the bush administration's tax cuts.

Numerous factors are at play here. Blaming Obama for everything is just nonsense.


Debt, and deficit are different things.


j-mac
 
*in my best Obama impression* Ahem, let me be clear....Again.....Did you read the quote, or the article I provided?


j-mac

Why do you ask? I was responding to your question and I'm not sure what part of the article you think is relevant to... uh... whatever point you're trying to make to me.
 
Why do you ask? I was responding to your question and I'm not sure what part of the article you think is relevant to... uh... whatever point you're trying to make to me.

So the answer is no...thanks for playin' I'll wait for someone who actually wants to talk about this and not just blather on talking point hyperpartisanship.

j-mac
 
So the answer is no...thanks for playin' I'll wait for someone who actually wants to talk about this and not just blather on talking point hyperpartisanship.

j-mac

Dude, you asked the question and I answered. I did read the article. You're the one who refuses to make a point here by not telling me what part of the article you think is relevant. Why don't you stop being so hostile and actually inject something yourself.
 
Unbelievable! Politico is showing its liberal bent here. I don't know about you, but I do see Obama as hostile to American exceptionalism. But to throw in the "birther" crap is over the top in my mind. What say you? To both questions: Is Obama responsible for American decline? and Is Politico a now hack site for using "birther" nonsense to make its point?

j-mac
Politico isn't liberal. A significant portion of conservatives/republicans don't think he's american. To fault them just for reporting that in an article that otherwise isn't critical of Republicans in general is silly. Simply looking for reasons to get butt-hurt.
 
Dude, you asked the question and I answered.

Um, no you didn't....you said.

Why do you ask? I was responding to your question and I'm not sure what part of the article you think is relevant to... uh... whatever point you're trying to make to me.

That is not answering, now I'll ask again.

did you or did you not read the darned article?

j-mac
 
Politico isn't liberal.

Whoa! stop right there.....Politico is most definately a liberal leaning publication.

Now.

A significant portion of conservatives/republicans don't think he's american.

Such as?

To fault them just for reporting that in an article that otherwise isn't critical of Republicans in general is silly.

No, it is a tactic used to silence any dissent from the articles premise. they don't have to be any more critical after they generalize the entire group as crazy do they?

Simply looking for reasons to get butt-hurt.

"get butt-hurt"??? What the hell does that mean?

j-mac
 
Um, no you didn't....you said.



That is not answering, now I'll ask again.

did you or did you not read the darned article?

j-mac

Reread your OP. There's a question in it.
I answered that question.
Then you asked me if I read the article but STILL have not explained why you asked that. I read the article.
 
Reread your OP. There's a question in it.
I answered that question.
Then you asked me if I read the article but STILL have not explained why you asked that. I read the article.


thanks, whew, after two pages just to get you to say if you even read the article, I have to ask, did you not understand the implications of that article?

j-mac
 
No, "he" didn't. The largest pieces of the deficit jump were the economic downturn and the bush administration's tax cuts.

Numerous factors are at play here. Blaming Obama for everything is just nonsense.

Yep, he did. Even the CBO said so.

Obama
 
Yep, he did. Even the CBO said so.

Obama

This is operating on the assumption that every penny of that deficit is directly his doing. That is not the case. Obama is not responsible for the loss of tax revenue that contributed to the deficit.
 
thanks, whew, after two pages just to get you to say if you even read the article, I have to ask, did you not understand the implications of that article?

j-mac

For a man complaining about me not contributing, you've not contributed....

well, anything at all.
 
He tripled our national debt in two years.

You don't find that notable?

Not true. Stop listening to Beck.

The debt was 10.6 trillion when Obama took over in 2009, and is now 14.1 trillion.. that is in NO WAY a tripling.

And if we go by budget years, then the debt under Obama budgets is gone from 11.8 trillion to 14.1 trillion.

Now if you are looking for a tripling.. look at Reagan

Bush took it for 5 trillion to almost 11 trillion.. that is a doubling.

Like it or not, your comment is utterly false.
 
Unbelievable! Politico is showing its liberal bent here. I don't know about you, but I do see Obama as hostile to American exceptionalism. But to throw in the "birther" crap is over the top in my mind. What say you? To both questions: Is Obama responsible for American decline? and Is Politico a now hack site for using "birther" nonsense to make its point?

j-mac

Every word in that entire article is obnoxiously true.

What's odd, though, is that it come from the GOP, now - it use to come from the far-left, liberal camp. . . the whole "This isn't MY America as I was raised to see it." and so on.

And I think it's unwise to chastise Europe - when you look at our nation's recent century of history - they ARE the reason why we "are #1" (according to mass numbers of patriots on all sides of the issues).
 
Not true. Stop listening to Beck.

The debt was 10.6 trillion when Obama took over in 2009, and is now 14.1 trillion.. that is in NO WAY a tripling.

And if we go by budget years, then the debt under Obama budgets is gone from 11.8 trillion to 14.1 trillion.

Now if you are looking for a tripling.. look at Reagan

Bush took it for 5 trillion to almost 11 trillion.. that is a doubling.

Like it or not, your comment is utterly false.

Utter bull****, and you aren't worth the time.
 
The decline of America started with GWB, and America's debt, or lack thereof, is not a symbol of American exceptionalism in the world.
 
Is Obama responsible for American decline?

That's a question only time can answer. Obama's real problem is he's not a politician. He tries to solve problems with logic, and we all know how logic can be twisted and turned around.

What he really needs is a new speech writer, someone well versed in survival politics who can tell him how to avoid political land mines.

ricksfolly
 
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