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Unions threaten Business

i know how the game is played with you...i will ignore your source as you ignore mine....perhaps if you actually read my post, you would have noticed something.

You apparently know very little since the Bureau of Labor Statistics is the keeper and authority on labor including employment in this country. Interesting how BLS data is acceptable during the Clinton Administration when the numbers were good but not now. Don't blame you from ignoring them.

Highlights from the 2010 data:

--The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was
substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
(See table 3.)

--Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

--Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian,
or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

--Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)
 
Personal attacks =/= evidence. You have no proof - you're making claims based on your own prejudices and passing them off as common sense. Thanks for playing. Next?

wrong kiddo. one of the uber lamer tactics some of the weaker posters use is demanding proof of stuff that more intelligent posters realize has been supported dozens of times on this board

anyone who has attended high school know that teachers get most of the summer off-and the kids who are phi beta kappas at big state U's or top Private colleges aren't the kids who go into public school teaching
 
You apparently know very little since the Bureau of Labor Statistics is the keeper and authority on labor including employment in this country. Interesting how BLS data is acceptable during the Clinton Administration when the numbers were good but not now. Don't blame you from ignoring them.

Highlights from the 2010 data:

--The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was
substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
(See table 3.)

--Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

--Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian,
or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

--Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)
i agree, you know very little
 
detroit times? wasnt aware that there was a paper called that...believe what you want, my union's membership is up, whether you like it or not.
what union would that be?
 
but how can that be? those damn evil unions are only interested in running a company out of business.....:roll:

It's that danged goose that laid the golden egg thingy. ;)
 
It's that danged goose that laid the golden egg thingy. ;)

that's why public sector unions are malignant. if a private sector union bankrupts the company they lose too. there is no such check and balance on public sector unions

in private sector bargaining the union represents its interests to get as many benefits as it can without killing jobs-management bargains to get the best quality commodity known as labor for the least possible costs

in public sector negotiations, those representing management are not usually representing the interests of the shareholders (taxpayers citizens) but often that of the unions because in areas where unions are strong, the politicians tend to be lackeys of the unions
 
that's why public sector unions are malignant. if a private sector union bankrupts the company they lose too. there is no such check and balance on public sector unions

in private sector bargaining the union represents its interests to get as many benefits as it can without killing jobs-management bargains to get the best quality commodity known as labor for the least possible costs

in public sector negotiations, those representing management are not usually representing the interests of the shareholders (taxpayers citizens) but often that of the unions because in areas where unions are strong, the politicians tend to be lackeys of the unions

^^^^ This!!! Yes, this!!!
 
wrong kiddo. one of the uber lamer tactics some of the weaker posters use is demanding proof of stuff that more intelligent posters realize has been supported dozens of times on this board

anyone who has attended high school know that teachers get most of the summer off-and the kids who are phi beta kappas at big state U's or top Private colleges aren't the kids who go into public school teaching

Once again, personal attacks =/= evidence.

These were your original claims:
TurtleDude said:
yeah most teachers do it [become teachers] because
1) they don't have the grades to get into the more competitive professions like medicine and law
2)they don't have to work near the hours

And you're backing up these claims with this:
TurtleDude said:
anyone who has attended high school know that teachers get most of the summer off-and the kids who are phi beta kappas at big state U's or top Private colleges aren't the kids who go into public school teaching

However, stating that teachers get summers off is simply stating a fact about the teaching profession. It does not, however, prove that people become teachers because of the summers off. These are two separate arguments.

As far as your "phi beta kappa" statement. I would like to see the data that shows teachers have less pre-education honors students than lawyers have pre-law honors students.

You are making a false comparison between pre-education students and pre-law/pre-med/other students. Some people just want to be teachers. These people choose to be pre-education majors, not pre-law or pre-med. It's very presumptuous to assume that everybody wants to be a doctor or lawyer and that those who don't choose that route simply couldn't make it.

What you're proving to me is that your knowledge of teachers is based on stereotypes that you're passing off as "common knowledge". You have not shown you neutral evidence.
 
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so let me set the stage

1) do you admit or deny that those who go into primary/HS teaching tend to be the bottom of the university barrel

2) do you admit or deny that the work year for teachers is normally 9 months compared to say most other professions
 
I also note the finest universities in the country rarely have teaching majors

Yale sure didn't. And last I checked they didn't reward M Eds either.
 
Business threatens unions. Try to start one at Walmart. ha ha
 
so let me set the stage

1) do you admit or deny that those who go into primary/HS teaching tend to be the bottom of the university barrel
I don't know. I assume pre-education students acquire around the same amount of honors that pre-law students acquire and that students in the pre-education major have the same average grades as students outside of the pre-education major. I would need to look at data about honors in the pre-education major to make an argument.

2) do you admit or deny that the work year for teachers is normally 9 months compared to say most other professions[/QUOTE]
Oh. I said in my above post that "stating that teachers get summers off is simply stating a fact"...so obviously yes.
 
Business threatens unions. Try to start one at Walmart. ha ha

Try to start one at any freedom loving business in this country..........

......the reaction is the same.
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Try to start one at any freedom loving business in this country..........

......the reaction is the same.
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You mean fascist loving bussiness

Ones with jackbooted gun totin thugs ( ie police)
 
I also note the finest universities in the country rarely have teaching majors

Yale sure didn't. And last I checked they didn't reward M Eds either.

Harvard Graduate School of Education

That said, this proves nothing. By your logic, anyone who doesn't go to a top tier school is the bottom of the barrel. Nonetheless, if teachers were poor students (which you have not shown with any evidence), you still need to prove that teachers enter the profession because they are poor students.
 
Business threatens unions. Try to start one at Walmart. ha ha

you ought to be able to try to unionize at any business

and that business ought to have the absolute right to fire you for doing so

if you can get enough other workers to support you you will win and get your union

if you cannot-you lose your job to someone who doesn't want or need a union

and that is how it should be
 
Harvard Graduate School of Education

That said, this proves nothing. By your logic, anyone who doesn't go to a top tier school is the bottom of the barrel. Nonetheless, if teachers were poor students (which you have not shown with any evidence), you still need to prove that teachers enter the profession because they are poor students.


so it is your learned opinion that the most lucrative professions which tougher entry costs don't attract superior students compared to the rather easy teaching profession.?
 
You mean fascist loving bussiness

Ones with jackbooted gun totin thugs ( ie police)

No, I mean 99.99% of all businesses located in the United States.

Any other silly quesitons?
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uaw...........

I didn't realize there was much UAW left in Ohio--every UAW shop around Cincinnati has closed done including Ford in Batavia, GM in Norwood, Delphi in Dayton
 
You mean fascist loving bussiness

Ones with jackbooted gun totin thugs ( ie police)

yawn--unions engage in more physical assaults and coercions than businesses do these days
 
You mean walmart? The company that wraps themselves in the flag while encouraging suppliers to move their production to China?
Try to start one at any freedom loving business in this country..........

......the reaction is the same.
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yawn--unions engage in more physical assaults and coercions than businesses do these days

That is because the companies have bought and paid for the politicians and have bent laws to their advantage. They get to use legal jackbooted thugs
 
so it is your learned opinion that the most lucrative professions which tougher entry costs don't attract superior students compared to the rather easy teaching profession.?

Nope. I didn't say that. I am though trying to figure out why not going to a top 10 school makes you the "bottom of the barrel". If people want to be teachers, they will likely go to a place that has a pre-education major even if they were the smartest student in high school.

Although when I went to the University of Chicago (where pre-education, pre-law and pre-med are not majors), there was a philosophy major who was pretty much a genius and scored a perfect on LSAT - she said she wanted to be a kindergarten teacher...
 
That is because the companies have bought and paid for the politicians and have bent laws to their advantage. They get to use legal jackbooted thugs

any proof of that?

so when unions kill people or beat them up that is no worse than the police arresting union goons who are blocking business driveways or vandalizing the cars of workers trying to work?
 
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