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Badmutha said:
There is no GSE in this country that is adequately regulated.....so no. .
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Harry -
You have also failed to note that Jimmy Carter started a lot of the deregulation, that carried it's way through Reagan's administration.
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It doesn't work no matter who does it.
 
Badmutha said:
So how do the rich take that %1 from you?

........does the economic pie ever grow?
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Not for the middle class. We didn't get the big tax cuts those at the top did.

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Catawba said:
Not for the middle class. We didn't get the big tax cuts those at the top did.
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So anyone that aquires wealth in this country.......is stealing it from somebody else huh?

Straight out of Imaginationland.....The DNC base....
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Badmutha said:
So anyone that aquires wealth in this country.......is stealing it from somebody else huh?

Straight out of Imaginationland.....The DNC base....
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Do you feel the slightest bit of guilt when you take a relatively innocent statement from somebody and grossly pervert it into a Frankenstiens monster version of what was actually said?
 
Badmutha said:
So anyone that aquires wealth in this country.......is stealing it from somebody else huh?

Straight out of Imaginationland.....The DNC base....
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As has been documented, those making over $1 million get a $93,000 in tax breaks on average while those making under $1 million get $100 on average in tax breaks. As a result of increased costs for survival needs, the middle class has stagnated while those at the top have prospered.
 
Catawba said:
As has been documented, those making over $1 million get a $93,000 in tax breaks on average while those making under $1 million get $100 on average in tax breaks. As a result of increased costs for survival needs, the middle class has stagnated while those at the top have prospered.
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So any and every tax cut for those making over $1 million somehow equates a theft of your income?
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Catawba said:
As has been documented, those making over $1 million get a $93,000 in tax breaks on average while those making under $1 million get $100 on average in tax breaks. As a result of increased costs for survival needs, the middle class has stagnated while those at the top have prospered.
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Catawba, I seem to remember seeing a link about this $93,000 tax break for over $1 million....and, if memory serves me correctly, it was from congressional testimony. Is that right? Do you have another link that references that?

When I Google $93,000 $1 million tax break, the only thing that comes up is 28 references from Catawba on Debate Politics.
 
MaggieD said:
Catawba, I seem to remember seeing a link about this $93,000 tax break for over $1 million....and, if memory serves me correctly, it was from congressional testimony. Is that right? Do you have another link that references that?

When I Google $93,000 $1 million tax break, the only thing that comes up is 28 references from Catawba on Debate Politics.
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It is from the Congressional Record and has been linked previously in this thread. And I have posted it in several other threads. As you told another poster, you are late to the game and its not my job to help you catch up.
 
Catawba said:
It is from the Congressional Record and has been linked previously in this thread. And I have posted it in several other threads. As you told another poster, you are late to the game and its not my job to help you catch up.
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Unless there is another link to it, that information is incredible. Can't find it. I don't need the link to the Congressional Record; thought you might have one that came from another source.
 
Catawba said:
It is from the Congressional Record and has been linked previously in this thread. And I have posted it in several other threads. As you told another poster, you are late to the game and its not my job to help you catch up.
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The congressional record is not a source of factual information, it's typically the talking points and rhetoric (see; misrepresentation of facts and the truth) by politicians.
 
Catawba said:
Not for the middle class. We didn't get the big tax cuts those at the top did.
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I wonder how much of that extra money earned by the top earners went into outward investment rather than being invested back into the US economy?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...ds/2199.html?countryCode=ir&rankAnchorRow=#ir

According to the CIA the USA made approx $3.5 trillion dollars of outward investment in 2010. Seems like the top guys aren't patriotic enough to back the USA when it comes down to it but, they probably love to wear their USA pin badges on the lapels of their designer suits.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The congressional record is not a source of factual information, it's typically the talking points and rhetoric (see; misrepresentation of facts and the truth) by politicians.
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Thank your for your usual response..........your opinion, devoid of any backup whatsoever.
 
Badmutha said:
So any and every tax cut for those making over $1 million somehow equates a theft of your income?
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Do you feel the slightest bit of guilt when you take a relatively innocent statement from somebody and grossly pervert it into a Frankenstiens monster version of what was actually said?
 
William Rea said:
I wonder how much of that extra money earned by the top earners went into outward investment rather than being invested back into the US economy?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...ds/2199.html?countryCode=ir&rankAnchorRow=#ir

According to the CIA the USA made approx $3.5 trillion dollars of outward investment in 2010. Seems like the top guys aren't patriotic enough to back the USA when it comes down to it but, they probably love to wear their USA pin badges on the lapels of their designer suits.
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The Democrat Party--Chasing out US Investment, US Businesses, and US Jobs for the last 100 years........
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Catawba said:
And the answer remains obvious -

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OK so now were talking about national debt.......

....surely Barack HusSame Obama--The Most Expensive President in World History.......must cause you great outrage.

Not to worry though.......Democrats have a plan to eliminate the Debt and the Deficit......by cutting a 6 Billion mouse fart.
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Badmutha said:
The Democrat Party--Chasing out US Investment, US Businesses, and US Jobs for the last 100 years........
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So even during all the years that the Republicans had power it was still da democrats wot done it. The Republicans were powerless to change a thing?

We're back to conspiracy theories.
 
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Catawba said:
I hate to break this to you but in order for the middle class to compete with third world wages, leaves them with less than a living wage, which mean more slide from middle class to poor and have need of more need our safety net programs.
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I hate to break THIS to you, but there is a happy compromise that would bring jobs back to America (yes...a reduction in profit while remaining profitable and yes...lowering wages and benefits). The alternative is...welll...20-30% unemployment in major former industrial cities. Its what we are experiencing now. Me...Id rather see people making a realistic wage and be employed.
 
Catawba said:
Not for the middle class. We didn't get the big tax cuts those at the top did.

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Maybe because the middle class doesnt pay the big taxes.

You describe yourself as middle class...how did you get to be middle class? Did someone come along and hand you a job?
 
Badmutha said:
OK so now were talking about national debt.......

....surely Barack HusSame Obama--The Most Expensive President in World History.......must cause you great outrage. Not to worry though.......Democrats have a plan to eliminate the Debt and the Deficit......by cutting a 6 Billion mouse fart.
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You are right that I would have been much happier with a liberal president, but it seems only moderate presidents get elected.

Even still, Obama has proposed more spending cuts than his Rebublican predecessor in his 2012 budget. And just as importantly has proposed cutting the tax breaks for the most wealty.

"In his FY 2012 budget, President Obama repeats his call for Congress to end the Bush-era tax cuts for higher-income individuals (which the president generally defines as single individuals with incomes over $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000). The top individual income tax rates would increase to 36 percent and 39.6 percent, respectively, after 2012. For 2011 and 2012, the top two individual income tax rates are 33 percent and 35 percent, respectively. The president also proposes to limit the deductions of higher income individuals.

Additionally, the president wants Congress to extend the reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends, but not for higher-income individuals. Single individuals with incomes above $200,000 and married couples with incomes above $250,000 would pay capital gains and dividend taxes at 20 percent rather than at 15 percent after 2012."
President's FY 2012 Proposals: Higher Taxes on Wealthy, Limited Tax Breaks for Businesses : On-line newsletters, Profitable Solutions for Nonprofits, Bottom Line, Indiana
 
VanceMack said:
I hate to break THIS to you, but there is a happy compromise that would bring jobs back to America (yes...a reduction in profit while remaining profitable and yes...lowering wages and benefits). The alternative is...welll...20-30% unemployment in major former industrial cities. Its what we are experiencing now. Me...Id rather see people making a realistic wage and be employed.
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The middle class is decliing already do to the slashing of the progressive tax system while profits for the rich soar. If you cut their wages and benefits any more than you will have more poor people and increased need for social programs.
 
William Rea said:
So even during all the years that the Republicans had power it was still da democrats wot done it. The Republicans were powerless to change a thing?

We're back to conspiracy theories.
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"All the years".....

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