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Unions threaten Business

Lord Tammerlain said:
Taxpayer are the customers of the government not of the union

The unions customers are its members. You do not deal with the union, you deal with the government and its employees
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What did I just ****ing say?!?
 
liblady said:
you could send your kids to a private school.
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Since they're still getting our money, is that really much of an effective boycott? I wish everone would boycott my business by sending me money but not actually partaking in any of the services I offer.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
It is not the unions job to lower the compensation its members receive, it is the employers job to negotiate lower compensation in the contract
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And as I told you before......the typical negotiating table has the never satisfied Union Slobs on one side.....Democrat Politicians promising them the world on the other.

........but change is in the air....in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan ect ect...and it cant come soon enough.
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William Rea said:
You know what, after reading all these post, I'm beginning to think that being a teacher in the US must be one of the highest paid cushy numbers going. I'm thinking about applying for a job there it sounds like a license to print money. I guess that if it was that way then there would be a huge backlog of people applying for teaching to get in on this nice little number.
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In my district you'll start out at about 48k. But just give it a bit and you'll be up to 90k in no time. After that you've got 150k to look forward to, which will be nice because then you get a very nice percentage of the last three years salary as your yearly pension.
 
liblady said:
you could send your kids to a private school. you could join the pta. you could run for office.
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I can send my kids to private school........but I still have to pay for the public schools dont I?

Isnt paying twice awesome?
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buck said:
In my district you'll start out at about 48k. But just give it a bit and you'll be up to 90k in no time. After that you've got 150k to look forward to, which will be nice because then you get a very nice percentage of the last three years salary as your yearly pension.
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you'll have to let us know which district.
 
buck said:
In my district you'll start out at about 48k. But just give it a bit and you'll be up to 90k in no time. After that you've got 150k to look forward to, which will be nice because then you get a very nice percentage of the last three years salary as your yearly pension.
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The Average Teacher Salary in the USA | eHow.com

I don't see any mention of 150K salaries here except for Full Time Professors who on average get 109K and they could earn more if they worked in the private sector.
 
William Rea said:
Great news, so the market will sort things out. Too many people selling a service with not enough buyers means prices will reduce.
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Except all free market principles go out the window when you enter the Public Sector......
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Badmutha said:
You also didnt see any mention of the Gold Plated Health Care and Diamond Inlayed Pensions.....
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No, so tell me about it. This is starting to sound like the politics of envy.
 
liblady said:
you'll have to let us know which district.
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Yeah.. not really. I'll tell you i'm in IL.

I will have to backtrack on the 150k. Apparently those were the principal's of the school. However, this is straight salary for 9 months, not counting benefits.

Salary: $45,801
Position: Elementary Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Years Teaching: 2


Position: Elementary Teacher
Years Teaching: 15
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Salary: $80,369

Salary: $104,066
Position: Elementary Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Years Teaching: 34
 
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Badmutha said:
I can send my kids to private school........but I still have to pay for the public schools dont I?

Isnt paying twice awesome?
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for you AND buck: if you want public schools to go away, don't patronize them. aren't you willing to sacrifice a little for your beliefs? i sent my kids to catholic school, and i never once whined about paying twice. choices.
 
William Rea said:
No, so tell me about it. This is starting to sound like the politics of envy.
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Well you know how those teachers like to lord their '93 Honda Acura's over us. What do you expect? Why shouldn't they be getting screwed like the rest of the middle class?
 
buck said:
Yeah.. not really. I'll tell you i'm in IL.

I will have to backtrack on the 150k. Apparently those were the principal's of the school. However, this is straight salary for 9 months, not counting benefits.

Salary: $45,801
Position: Elementary Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Years Teaching: 2


Position: Elementary Teacher
Years Teaching: 15
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Salary: $80,369

Salary: $104,066
Position: Elementary Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Years Teaching: 34
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At the very least you had the decency to backtrack rather than continue to defend an indefensible position. Very honourable.

Just one other pointer, there is at least 13 years progression from 46K to 81K and a further 19 years to 104K, hardly "short times".
 
Catawba said:
Well you know how those teachers like to lord their '93 Honda Acura's over us. What do you expect? Why shouldn't they be getting screwed like the rest of the middle class?
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Lol, nice one.

Why aren't the rest of the damned middle class sticking up for themselves as well rather than sucking up this BS. That is what I would ask.
 
William Rea said:
No, so tell me about it. This is starting to sound like the politics of envy.
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Not from me. To me, I simply despise having to pay such a large portion of my property tax bill in order to fund bloated pensions, benefits and salaries that were negotiated between a teacher's union and a sympathetic opponent. Out of my 5k prop tax bill, a tad less then 3,500 goes to fund the local schools.
 
William Rea said:
At the very least you had the decency to backtrack rather than continue to defend an indefensible position. Very honourable.

Just one other pointer, there is at least 13 years progression from 46K to 81K and a further 19 years to 104K, hardly "short times".
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I've been at my company 15 years - trust me, it's a short time. and I didn't say short time, I said "give it a bit".

in my OP on this subject, I tried to take the career progession. new teacher, half way through career and near retirement. I think that was very fair.
 
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Catawba said:
Well you know how those teachers like to lord their '93 Honda Acura's over us. What do you expect? Why shouldn't they be getting screwed like the rest of the middle class?
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Didn't The Messiah say that everyone was going to have to make sacrifices?
 
William Rea said:
Lol, nice one.

Why aren't the rest of the damned middle class sticking up for themselves as well rather than sucking up this BS. That is what I would ask.
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Many are still waiting for Reaganomics to trickle down on them. Its only been 30 years, these things take time..................
 
apdst said:
Didn't The Messiah say that everyone was going to have to make sacrifices?
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1 in 7 Americans being poor in 2009 not enough sacrifice for you. It wouldn't occur to you to look at the gains made by the super rich at our expense, would it?
 
Catawba said:
Many are still waiting for Reaganomics to trickle down on them. Its only been 30 years, these things take time..................
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reaganomics didn't trickle down on anyone, it pissed on most of them.
 
Catawba said:
1 in 7 Americans being poor in 2009 not enough sacrifice for you. It wouldn't occur to you to look at the gains made by the super rich at our expense, would it?
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So, why did anyone think it was a good idea to kill jobs?
 
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