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Unions threaten Business

randel said:
this last election really wasnt about taxes...it was more frustration with how the economy was, and that it wasnt improving as fast as people liked...takes more than 2 years to fix the disaster obama walked into ...especially when it was quite a few years in the making.
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I always enjoy when the Losing Side tells us what the election was and wasnt about.......

.....tell the Tea Party it wasnt about Taxes.....

But if you insist it was soley about the economy.....

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.....then there wont be a Democrat left in Washington after 2012.

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buck said:
Alot of times the union is negotiating against former teachers. Teachers that are sympathetic to the position of the current teachers. Also, the cost to taxpayers is hidden. If every tax payer had to write a check every year that had to be paid to the local school district, I think this would be much more obvious and probably would have sparked more outrage. It's similar to, what i think, is some of the reasoning in requiring teachers to begin writing their own union dues checks. The teachers are now gong to see exactly how much of their salary will be going towards the union. Think this will cause some pause when they have to write out a $1,000.00+ check to the union?
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the teachers would see once a month how much their dues were...with me, it is 2 hours of straight time pay.
 
Badmutha said:
I always enjoy when the Losing Side tells us what the election was and wasnt about.......

.....tell the Tea Party it wasnt about Taxes.....

But if you insist it was soley about the economy.....

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.....then there wont be a Democrat left in Washington after 2012.

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you are sorely mistaken
 
randel said:
i don't think walker had any intention whether the democrats stayed or not...as for the firefighters and police, you may have point, he also may not have wanted to piss away what little support he did have from unions.
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Well, we have emails that show otherwise. Walker had conceeded allowing recert votes every three years rather then annualy. The dem 14 still stayed away. Living on the border I get to listen to a lot of local WI radio. There were a handful of senate republicans that did not want to separate the two bills as was ultimately done. What changed those senator's minds was the realization that the WI14 had no interest in actually engage in any meaningful compramise.

The support from those unions was minimal. If I recall the numbers correctly, and I think I do, the largest of the 4 had 1100 members.
 
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randel said:
the teachers would see once a month how much their dues were...with me, it is 2 hours of straight time pay.
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I've heard that WI teachers pay over 1000 annually in union dues. divided by 12 = $83.00. I think it would annoy the hell out of me to have to write an $83.00 check every month.
 
buck said:
Well, we have emails that show otherwise. Walker had conceeded allowing recert votes every three years rather then annualy. The dem 14 still stayed away. Living on the border I get to listen to a lot of local WI radio. There were a handful of senate republicans that did not want to separate the two bills as was ultimately done. What changed those senator's minds was the realization that the WI14 had no interest in actually engage in any meaningful compramise.

The support form those uniosn was minimal. If I recall the numbers correctly, and I think I do, the largest of the 4 had 1100 members.
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could also have been released to see if he could draw them back to wisconsin so they could be arrested and he could have a quorum.
 
buck said:
I've heard that WI teachers pay over 1000 annually in union dues. divided by 12 = $83.00. I think it would annoy the hell out of me to have to write an $83.00 check every month.
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for the representation, a fair price to have a voice.
 
MaggieD said:
Huh??? So unless someone is a member of a union they are struggling for bare subsistence? Less than 12% of American workers belong to unions. Most of the rest of us, BWG, are doin' just fine.

I've seen this opinion expressed many times before on DP. It makes me think that unions propagandize this viewpoint to keep their members in line. "The evil corporations..." "Us against them..." Yikes!
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Propaganda is a very good word for it, because that's what it is.
 
Badmutha said:
No Im saying its the Union's fault that Poor and Middle Class taxpayers are being raped via State Income Taxes, Property Taxes, Sales Taxes, and City Income Taxes.........in the name of providing Public Sector Union slobs with their Bloated Salaries, Gold Plated Health Care, and Diamond Inlayed Pensions.

As I said, maybe the Poor and Middle Class could afford their own......if they werent too damn broke after paying for yours.
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How is it possible when Turtledude and so many claim the poor and middle class dont pay taxes
 
buck said:
I've heard that WI teachers pay over 1000 annually in union dues. divided by 12 = $83.00. I think it would annoy the hell out of me to have to write an $83.00 check every month.
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Why?

Typically the extra compensation that a union negotiates for its members is greater then the cost of the union due. As such it is a good return on that investment. To be upset at spending $83 and getting $200 in return would be idiotic
 
buck said:
Well, we have emails that show otherwise. Walker had conceeded allowing recert votes every three years rather then annualy. The dem 14 still stayed away. Living on the border I get to listen to a lot of local WI radio. There were a handful of senate republicans that did not want to separate the two bills as was ultimately done. What changed those senator's minds was the realization that the WI14 had no interest in actually engage in any meaningful compramise.

The support from those unions was minimal. If I recall the numbers correctly, and I think I do, the largest of the 4 had 1100 members.
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The support was minimal? Does the following look minimal to you?

UNIONS THREATEN BUSINESS | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes

March 10, 2011
Mr. Tom Ellis, President
Marshall & Ilsley Corporation
770 N. Water Street
Milwaukee, WI 53202
SENT VIA FASCIMILE AND REGULAR MAIL
Dear Mr. Ellis:
As you undoubtedly know, Governor Walker recently proposed a “budget
adjustment bill” to eviscerate public employees’ right to collectively bargain in
Wisconsin. ..

As you also know, Scott Walker did not campaign on this issue when he ran for
office. If he had, we are confident that you would not be listed among his largest
contributors. As such, we are contacting you now to request your support.

The undersigned groups would like your company to publicly oppose Governor
Walker’s efforts to virtually eliminate collective bargaining for public employees in
Wisconsin. While we appreciate that you may need some time to consider this
request, we ask for your response by March 17. In the event that you do not
respond to this request by that date, we will assume that you stand with
Governor Walker and against the teachers, nurses, police officers, fire fighters,
and other dedicated public employees who serve our communities.


In the event that you cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining,
please be advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the
goods and services provided by your company. However, if you join us, we will
do everything in our power to publicly celebrate your partnership in the fight to
preserve the right of public employees to be heard at the bargaining table.Wisconsin’s public employee unions serve to protect and promote equality and
fairness in the workplace. We hope you will stand with us and publicly share that
ideal.

In the event you would like to discuss this matter further, please contact the
executive Director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, Jim Palmer,
at 608.273.3840.

Thank you in advance for your consideration. We look forward to hearing from
you soon.

James L. Palmer, Executive Director
Wisconsin Professional Police Association
Mahlon Mitchell,President
Professional Professional Fire Fighters
Jim Conway, President
International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311
John Matthews, Execuctive Director
Madison Teachers, Inc.
Keith Patt, Executive Director
Green Bay Education Association
Bob Richardson, President
Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Association
Dan Frei, Prersident
Madison Professional Police Officers Association
 
randel said:
for the representation, a fair price to have a voice.
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From the same people that think paying 1-3% of their Gold Plated Health Care and Diamond Inlayed Pension is asking too much......
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Badmutha said:
From the same people that think paying 1-3% of their Gold Plated Health Care and Diamond Inlayed Pension is asking too much......
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i had no problem with the governor asking for a bigger contribution.
 
randel said:
i had no problem with the governor asking for a bigger contribution.
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Well 5 decades and a wellstone of Union debt later......

.....thats good to hear.
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Badmutha said:
This ****ing disgusts me.....these power hungry union slobs are a disgrace to this country......and piss poor excuses for Americans. A Union of little thug dictators.......its no wonder they prostitute for The Democrat Party and The Kenyan Tyrant. Birds of a feather....
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Debased, depraved, and demoralized. The typical Fox / Talk Radio listener.

Isn't America wonderful. :toilet:
 
randel said:
most of the rest of you are doing fine? everything i'm reading and seeing is that prices are going up, wages are going down, are stagnant, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class is dissapearing. you personally may be doing fine, but many are treading water, or slipping.
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You are correct sadly, according to the 2010 consensus, 7 out of 10 Americans are now officially poor.
 
Kane said:
Debased, depraved, and demoralized. The typical Fox / Talk Radio listener.

Isn't America wonderful. :toilet:
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why does fox news cause so much garment soilage from the moonbat left? seriously? are you all upset that ONE network isn't wearing kneepads and bibs waddling after Obama?
 
Badmutha said:
The following letter is being sent out from Wisconsin Unions/THE MOB to Wisconsin Business Owners.......



Taking "Put the money in the bag.....or were gonna shut you down" to a whole new level.

This ****ing disgusts me.....these power hungry union slobs are a disgrace to this country......and piss poor excuses for Americans. A Union of little thug dictators.......its no wonder they prostitute for The Democrat Party and The Kenyan Tyrant. Birds of a feather....
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Seems to me some people only favor capitalism when capitalism favors business.

When employees want to form an entity to potentially better their financial situation, its an organization of thugs, right? They put pressure on corporations and threaten them with financial consequences. But, hey, employees have never faced that treatment from the companies they work for, right?
 
tryreading said:
Seems to me some people only favor capitalism when capitalism favors business.

When employees want to form an entity to potentially better their financial situation, its an organization of thugs, right? They put pressure on corporations and threaten them with financial consequences. But, hey, employees have never faced that treatment from the companies they work for, right?
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they should be allowed to d that-just as the employer should have the absolute right to fire anyone who joins the union
 
TurtleDude said:
they should be allowed to d that-just as the employer should have the absolute right to fire anyone who joins the union
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Sure. And the employees have the right to exert pressure en masse to prevent that action.
 
Badmutha said:
The Democrat Party and The Kenyan Tyrant.
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I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until I read the above.

What this particular union is doing amounts to nothing more than a mere boycott, but it has nothing to do with the Democrat party or the President.

apdst said:
Intimidation is what it is. I think those businesses should counter by refusing to pay their taxes, until the budget is under control.
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Exactly how can the state of Wisconsin get their budget under control if their revenue stream is being impacted by an all out boycott? No taxes collected (or a severe reduction in same) = a reduced revenue stream. No revenue, budget is thrown completely out of wack!! But it would certainly take care of the state's spending problem...they won't have the revenue to spend.
 
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tryreading said:
Sure. And the employees have the right to exert pressure en masse to prevent that action.
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yep-I have no problem with that
what I have problems with is government protecting unions
 
TurtleDude said:
they should be allowed to d that-just as the employer should have the absolute right to fire anyone who joins the union
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exactly. competition between groups.
 
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