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$101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

yes, school teachers are overwhelmingly liberal here in northern california

i have been apprised all my long career that the portion of my dues devoted to politcal action can be returned to me upon my writing of a letter

i and virtually every conservative i've taught with (there have been a decent number) have felt it best for our careers not to go that route

i've never known a teacher to ask for his or her political dues to be returned



significantly less than we get now

but i aint giving any of it back, call me what you will

then you don't mean it....
 
With the new Citizens United decision, Unions represent the last defense against corporate control of US politics. Getting rid of collective bargaining has been the first step in every fascist government in history.

I stand with the people against fascism.

Governments that preceded unionization were thus fascists? Please.
 
Governments that preceded unionization were thus fascists? Please.

All the wealth and power controlled by a few at the top with a poor working class that had no rights to bargain collectively...............sounds fascist to me
 
yes, school teachers are overwhelmingly liberal here in northern california

i have been apprised all my long career that the portion of my dues devoted to politcal action can be returned to me upon my writing of a letter

i and virtually every conservative i've taught with (there have been a decent number) have felt it best for our careers not to go that route

i've never known a teacher to ask for his or her political dues to be returned



significantly less than we get now

but i aint giving any of it back, call me what you will

I won't call you anything. I would keep it, too. I don't begrudge people fighting for themselves. Isn't the system designed around competition for resources? Whose going to take care of you and yours if you don't step up and do it? Especially if there's no union, like where I work. You negotiate as best you can with the resources available to you. But that's also why I support the unions having a seat at the bargaining table, even if I agree that many union practices are counterproductive.
 
All the wealth and power controlled by a few at the top with a poor working class that had no rights to bargain collectively...............sounds fascist to me

then you have no idea whatsoever what "Fascism" is. I would urge you to go discuss the matter with Viktyr Korimir, who is interestingly open and honest about the fact that he is a whole-hearted fascist. He may set you straight on their economic philosophy.

viktyr korimir said:
I am first and foremost an authoritarian and a progressive
 
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then you have no idea whatsoever what "Fascism" is. I would urge you to go discuss the matter with Viktyr Korimir, who is interestingly open and honest about the fact that he is a whole-hearted fascist. He may set you straight on their economic philosophy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because "the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise... Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social." Fascist governments encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve the national interest.



According to wikipedia, there is no single definition of fascism. And once in charge, a fascists will show his true stripes....especially about economic activity serving the national interest. The greedy will show up at the party to feast on the carnage, no matter what political system we have...
 
fascists?

LOL!

seeya at the polls, pals
 
If there is this huge shortfall, why have none of these pension funds collapsed today?

The answer is that these numbers are another example of right wing voodoo economics intentionally manufactured in the pursuit of a very purposeful extremist program that they want to implement into law.

http://www.capeunion.org/pension/Setting_the_Record_Straight.pdf
 
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What is Wisconsin teacher Salary + Benefits, $60,000 or $100,000?

I check the numbers and find $60,000. The $100,000 figure has no credible source.

I found the document that describes Milwaukee Public Schools Department of Benefits & Insurance Services Health and Fringe Benefit Plans, Summary of Benefits Available to Teachers Contract: July 1, 2009 – June 30, 2013; updated 2/24/2011. It’s a PDF and several pages long. I don’t know how to post it in this thread.

The benefits are not quite as good as I had as an engineer for a large computer company. More later.
 
I just had a conversation with a woman I know today. I consider her to be somewhat lower class, certainly uneducated (she doesn't even have a GED.)

Turns out she makes about $50,000 a year working full-time at a grocery store. She just started last year, too, with little experience in her field.

True, I don't know what the minimum or average wage is in WI (the minimum wage in my state is over $8, so quite high) but if it is anything close to here, considering the amount of schooling teachers have to go through and the training, suddenly $50,000 doesn't seem like so much.
 
I found the document that describes Milwaukee Public Schools Department of Benefits & Insurance Services Health and Fringe Benefit Plans, Summary of Benefits Available to Teachers Contract: July 1, 2009 – June 30, 2013; updated 2/24/2011. It’s a PDF and several pages long. I don’t know how to post it in this thread.

The benefits are not quite as good as I had as an engineer for a large computer company. More later.

Have you tried inserting the URL for the PDF into the URL box?
 

Got it! Thanks! Looks like typical benefits for middle class jobs to me.

But the expectation by some is to get pay and benefits below middle class standards so more of the taxpayers money can go to corporations in tax cuts. A trade off is being made. You know they have promised Wisconsin corporations $120 million dollars in tax breaks over the next two years. That money has to come from somewhere, right?
 
I just had a conversation with a woman I know today. I consider her to be somewhat lower class, certainly uneducated (she doesn't even have a GED.)

Turns out she makes about $50,000 a year working full-time at a grocery store. She just started last year, too, with little experience in her field.

True, I don't know what the minimum or average wage is in WI (the minimum wage in my state is over $8, so quite high) but if it is anything close to here, considering the amount of schooling teachers have to go through and the training, suddenly $50,000 doesn't seem like so much.

at 40 hours a week, that is about $25 per hour....she must be doing overtime, or has a good union..:2razz:
 
If there is this huge shortfall, why have none of these pension funds collapsed today?

have you noticed the large numbers of states in dire fiscal straits lately?

that would be them.
 
Got it! Thanks! Looks like typical benefits for middle class jobs to me.

But the expectation by some is to get pay and benefits below middle class standards so more of the taxpayers money can go to corporations in tax cuts. A trade off is being made. You know they have promised Wisconsin corporations $120 million dollars in tax breaks over the next two years. That money has to come from somewhere, right?

WI needs those corporations desperately, they don't need teachers as much...right?
 
have you noticed the large numbers of states in dire fiscal straits lately?

that would be them.

In states that contribute nothing to a teacher's retirement, messing with their retirement funds would be a criminal act....
 
have you noticed the large numbers of states in dire fiscal straits lately?

that would be them.

Please show the connection. Almost every state I ever head of has a completely separate account for pensions and for annual governmental operations.
 
WI needs those corporations desperately, they don't need teachers as much...right?

Whichever state is willing to have the stupidest kids wins apparently! :sun
 
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