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$101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

The Giant Noodle said:
Yeah..... pretty frustrating man.
BTW since youre in Japan.... any chance you can ship over various forms of Tekkamaki :2wave:
Or something nifty? Even a japanese woman would be nice! :)
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:lol: i'll see what they're carrying at the local family mart.
 
mac said:
You're getting screwed then, that's the way it is in New York, Maryland, and DC that I know of first hand.
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well, them yankee states ain't representative of the entire USA. I hope....
 
Catawba said:
But what do you feel the total compensation average should be to attract the best and brightest of our college graduates?
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I agree with cpwill, attracting the 'best and brightest' to the classrooms of America is not a smart allocation of this countries' intellectual capital. I do not want morons in our classrooms either (though I would want people of above average intelligence in America's colleges). The reality is, I would be more than satisfied with people of only average intelligence instructing across America. As a result, I believe a fair and equitable salary for a public school teacher would be approximately $35,000 per year. In other words, America's average income of $46,300 adjusted to 9 months of work (rounded up to the nearest thousand).
 
Enterance year - 30,000.00
Five years - 35,000.00
Ten years - 40,000.00
Maxing out, based on performance, at $70,000.00.......
 
Nevergolfpar said:
I agree with cpwill, attracting the 'best and brightest' to the classrooms of America is not a smart allocation of this countries' intellectual capital. I do not want morons in our classrooms either (though I would want people of above average intelligence in America's colleges). The reality is, I would be more than satisfied with people of only average intelligence instructing across America. As a result, I believe a fair and equitable salary for a public school teacher would be approximately $35,000 per year. In other words, America's average income of $46,300 adjusted to 9 months of work (rounded up to the nearest thousand).
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Then why complain if a teacher isn't among the best? :shrug:
 
Boo Radley said:
Then why complain if a teacher isn't among the best? :shrug:
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You would never hear me complaining if the teachers of America would be paid properly. However, you will hear me complain very loudly, when we pay them the salaries they currently are being paid, and not delivering. Let's face it, the teachers in our society make an extremely good wage, yet our students are not even in the top 10% in the world. Raise the prices (i.e. cost of education) and I will raise my expectations. Fail to meet those expectations, expect to hear me complain. Obviously, the teachers in this country are failing at their jobs...yes they get an 'F'.
 
Im coming into this conversation late...so...

I have NO PROBLEM with paying an experienced qualified and competent teacher 100k in compensation, provided the community is willing to support it with increased taxes. Merit pay is a fine thing. The problem with collective bargaining is you end up keeping POS deadweight and have to fight unions to suspend or fire teachers. Thats why you have so many worthless POS teachers that discredit the rest.
 
VanceMack said:
Im coming into this conversation late...so...

I have NO PROBLEM with paying an experienced qualified and competent teacher 100k in compensation, provided the community is willing to support it with increased taxes. Merit pay is a fine thing. The problem with collective bargaining is you end up keeping POS deadweight and have to fight unions to suspend or fire teachers. Thats why you have so many worthless POS teachers that discredit the rest.
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All that is required is following a perscribed process. This is not unreasonable or evil. It is as possible that a poor administrator would seek to rid a good teacher as it is that a poor teacher would fight to hold onto a job. This is why procedures are put in place.
 
Nevergolfpar said:
You would never hear me complaining if the teachers of America would be paid properly. However, you will hear me complain very loudly, when we pay them the salaries they currently are being paid, and not delivering. Let's face it, the teachers in our society make an extremely good wage, yet our students are not even in the top 10% in the world. Raise the prices (i.e. cost of education) and I will raise my expectations. Fail to meet those expectations, expect to hear me complain. Obviously, the teachers in this country are failing at their jobs...yes they get an 'F'.
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You make a leap, who says THEY are failing? Isn't it parents who are falling? Communities that are failng? Leaders who are failing? Your sid tends to reduce a sociatal problem down to one scape goat. The fact is, most teachers are doing a fine job. While o no one excuses the few poor teachers, your leap is simply inaccurate.
 
Boo Radley said:
You make a leap, who says THEY are failing?
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You are kidding me right? Our schools are failing by every conceivable way they could possibly be measured. For example, the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.

Boo Radley said:
Isn't it parents who are falling? Communities that are failng? Leaders who are failing?
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Maybe so. If true, then all the more reason not to pay teachers huge salaries. If the teachers have no way of succeeding, then why pay them salaries that require them to succeed? Would our tax dollars not be better spent financing the continuing education of the best and the brightest students? Adopting such a philosophy would propel this country to greatness again by making education as competitive as athletics.

Boo Radley said:
Your sid tends to reduce a sociatal problem down to one scape goat.
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I never blamed the teachers. Just because I do not believe teachers should be paid $72,000 a year, does not mean I am against teachers.

Boo Radley said:
The fact is, most teachers are doing a fine job. While o no one excuses the few poor teachers, your leap is simply inaccurate.
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My leap is rooted in sound economic principals and logic. Regardless how a few teachers might or might not be doing a fine job, does not negate the fact that ALL of our children are being shortchanged from an education system which is not the envy of the world.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
I love this guy! And he has good points regarding Fox News. Thing is corporate welfare and crazy-ass bonuses are a different matter than teachers pay. I despise all the things Jon mentioned about corporations but its just a different topic.
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its not a different topic all, just different priorities.
 
Catawba said:
Well now your position is clear. Thanks.
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well, ai'ts kindsavoufa "duh'. the bestst and the brighgtssest should be keeping mnucelar afacilitiesi safe, or things liket hata.
 
according to ap yesterday (link above), obama's ed secty arne duncan, who as ceo of chicago public schools couldn't even get the kids to an from class without shooting each other, claims that EIGHTY PERCENT OF UNITED STATES SCHOOLS are FAILING
 
cpwill said:
well, ai'ts kindsavoufa "duh'. the bestst and the brighgtssest should be keeping mnucelar afacilitiesi safe, or things liket hata.
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Some put a higher priority on educating our future leaders. But who needs future leaders that are well educated, right? Which ever state with the stupidist children wins, right?
 
Catawba said:
I am curious as to what folks think the AVERAGE compensation package should be to attract the best and the brightest
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whatever the market will bear, there are no guarantees, grow up

today, by the way, the market will bear significantly less than what it tolerated yesterday

as for teachers, why, not far from here there is a community college dept chair (LOL!) who evidently, daily, can not distinguish between "there" and "their," between "to," "too" and "two"

this is not that uncommon in california

take care
 
Catawba said:
Some put a higher priority on educating our future leaders. But who needs future leaders that are well educated, right? Which ever state with the stupidist children wins, right?
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workers areaff ungible. ecueatation is improtant, b ut how smart do syou have yoto be to teache 8th grad biollogy?
 
cpwill said:
workers areaff ungible. ecueatation is improtant, b ut how smart do syou have yoto be to teache 8th grad biollogy?
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LOL! Or fourth grade spelling right? Your posts make an excellent case for the need for better education!
 
Catawba said:
LOL! Or fourth grade spelling right? Your posts make an excellent case for the need for better education!
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:D whata cana isay, publica educataiotn the hole way.
 
Arent these State union people twisted!?!? Look at what their signs say below. Power and Greed? Thats the UNION! The state unions are ALL about power and greed. (So is the GOP but not in this matter) All these union mafia types have to do is Strike and.... they get raises! And thats pretty much every union. Nearly every year in Illinois suburbs there were teacher strikes. Every damn year THEY got raises. If they actually WORKED 12 months out of the year their salary not including benefits would be on AVERAGE $98,000!!! No teacher is worth that. I could possibly see the most senior of supervisors but not a teacher. These people have to stop their greed! The private sector has taken major hits in the last few years and THEY are to support EXTEMELY unrealistic salaries in the public sector?? HELL NO!!!! :no:

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With the new Citizens United decision, Unions represent the last defense against corporate control of US politics. Getting rid of collective bargaining has been the first step in every fascist government in history.

I stand with the people against fascism.
 
I have been unable to find the source of the “the average MPS teacher would receive total compensation of $101,091 -- $59,500 in salary and $41,591 in benefits.” The 59,500 seems about correct but the $41,591 seems specious to me. Where did this amount really come from?
When I went to Salary.com Salary Wizard™- Do you know what you're worth? with a Milwaukee zip I found:

Averages for 53219, Milwaukee, WI
Teacher Elementary School

Core Compensation Median
Base Salary $52,453
Bonuses $0
Social Security $4,013
401K/403B $0
Disability $0
Healthcare $0
Pension $0
Time Off $0
Total Compensation $56,466
 
Catawba said:
With the new Citizens United decision, Unions represent the last defense against corporate control of US politics. Getting rid of collective bargaining has been the first step in every fascist government in history.

I stand with the people against fascism.
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Both sides suck my sweet potato. But this has NOTHING to do with corporate matters. This has everything to do with teachers unions greed and arrogance. Their mafia-like tactics are hopefully coming to an end. Now where in the hell did you even think this has to do with corporations? Corporations dont pay teachers salaries. Tax payers do! That rich, middle class and poor. We all pay for these insane benefits and their salaries!
 
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